Official 2013 Formula 1 Season Discussion
04-24-2013, 12:19 AM
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A few years ago when Bridgestone and Michelin were making tires in F1 the tires got to be so good they could almost do a race distance on one set. They changed them because they came in for fuel anyway. With the fueling ban teams wouldn't have to stop anymore so they introduced these junk tires for spectator enjoyment they claimed. I personally think they've gone too far with it. You see chunks of rubber flying off the tires all the time. It's ridiculous. These cars are driving 80-90% of what they're capable of.
They need to get back to 2 stops a race, 2 compounds to choose from, either hard or soft you race and qualify on. Decided after practice 3. And refueling.
They need to get back to 2 stops a race, 2 compounds to choose from, either hard or soft you race and qualify on. Decided after practice 3. And refueling.
04-24-2013, 02:49 AM
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One of the biggest selling point for Pirelli when they signed the contract was the promise of delivering short lasting tires that would require the teams to do more pit stops.
04-24-2013, 07:01 AM
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The tires wear harder as the car gets lighter. The car slides more and the rear tires spin easier because of the weight loss pushing the rear down. If you compare stints especially with Hamilton his tires are far worse at the end of a race than stint 1 or 2.
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04-24-2013, 07:18 AM
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Tyres wear more when the cars are heavier. We're talking of more than a 120kg weight difference! The fact that they generally start on soft compounds and end the race on hard ones makes things worse.
@Blazen: the rubber looks worse at the end of the race because they run longer stints on hard compounds
@Blazen: the rubber looks worse at the end of the race because they run longer stints on hard compounds
04-24-2013, 08:04 AM
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Tyres wear more when the cars are heavier. We're talking of more than a 120kg weight difference! The fact that they generally start on soft compounds and end the race on hard ones makes things worse.
@Blazen: the rubber looks worse at the end of the race because they run longer stints on hard compounds
@Blazen: the rubber looks worse at the end of the race because they run longer stints on hard compounds
I think massa starting on the hard on 4th could have done really well if it wasn't for his 2 punctures
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04-25-2013, 01:59 AM
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The car actually does better on it's tires at high fuel loads rather than light loads. The only reason the lap times are slower is because of the weight of the fuel.
The tires wear harder as the car gets lighter. The car slides more and the rear tires spin easier because of the weight loss pushing the rear down. If you compare stints especially with Hamilton his tires are far worse at the end of a race than stint 1 or 2.
The tires wear harder as the car gets lighter. The car slides more and the rear tires spin easier because of the weight loss pushing the rear down. If you compare stints especially with Hamilton his tires are far worse at the end of a race than stint 1 or 2.
Tyres wear more when the cars are heavier. We're talking of more than a 120kg weight difference! The fact that they generally start on soft compounds and end the race on hard ones makes things worse.
@Blazen: the rubber looks worse at the end of the race because they run longer stints on hard compounds
@Blazen: the rubber looks worse at the end of the race because they run longer stints on hard compounds
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04-25-2013, 06:07 AM
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As for strategy, I find Poker better fits dealing with the real world.
04-25-2013, 06:12 AM
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That's the problem Al! Going flat out within the rules is ok, rules preventing you from going flat-out are bad! Tyres pertain to the latter example. Drivers can't drive as they would because of them... Aero or power mods still let you go flat out.
04-25-2013, 03:41 PM
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Everyone likes different things I guess, but I'm enjoying F1 these days. Maybe it's just because Kimi's back.
04-26-2013, 02:05 PM
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I think racing should be about who can be the fastest while overcoming different challenges and adapting to the different circumstances. Only in these situations can you really see the brilliance of the drivers and engineers. It's not just about money and who can find a loophole in the rules to build the fastest car flat out.
Everyone likes different things I guess, but I'm enjoying F1 these days. Maybe it's just because Kimi's back.
Everyone likes different things I guess, but I'm enjoying F1 these days. Maybe it's just because Kimi's back.
Paul.
04-27-2013, 04:40 PM
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04-28-2013, 04:50 PM
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Different hard tyres for rest of season - F1technical.net
Michael Schumacher to drive Mercedes F1 car at the Nordschleife - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com
It will be interesting to see a modern F1 car on the circuit. I wonder if it will, literally, fly.
Following a discussion with the teams after the Bahrain GP, Formula One tyre supplier Pirelli has decided to make a change in the hard tyre. This means that as of the next event, the Spanish GP held at Circuit de Catalunya, the hard, orange striped tyre will be of a different type.
It will be interesting to see a modern F1 car on the circuit. I wonder if it will, literally, fly.
05-01-2013, 07:55 AM
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Bernie Ecclestone confirms Long Beach talks | Formula 1 | Formula 1 news, live F1 | ESPN F1
Long Beach talks 'a message' to New Jersey | News | Motorsport.com
BBC Sport - Formula 1: Bernie Ecclestone makes prize fund changes
Is this Bernie's attempt to reduce the field, back to 20 cars, through financial starvation? The bottom teams are already struggling.
Bernie Ecclestone says he has held talks with the organisers of the Long Beach Grand Prix about Formula One replacing IndyCar when its agreement to race on the Californian street circuit expires next year.
BBC Sport - Formula 1: Bernie Ecclestone makes prize fund changes
Is this Bernie's attempt to reduce the field, back to 20 cars, through financial starvation? The bottom teams are already struggling.
05-03-2013, 07:17 AM
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Mercedes keen to offer Kubica F1 test | Mercedes | Formula 1 news, live F1 | ESPN F1
Susie Wolff: People are asking why isn’t there a woman driver in F1 | YallaF1.com
Maybe because she wasn't particularly fast in DTM.
Susie Wolff: People are asking why isn’t there a woman driver in F1 | YallaF1.com
Maybe because she wasn't particularly fast in DTM.
05-05-2013, 10:00 AM
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This sounds like a good idea to me.
F1 considering demerit point penalty system > F1 News > Grandprix.com
FIA debating penalties and bans | Planet F1 | Formula One News
F1 considering demerit point penalty system > F1 News > Grandprix.com
FIA debating penalties and bans | Planet F1 | Formula One News
05-11-2013, 09:19 AM
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The Mercedes front row lock out is complete. The race is a different story and I can just about guarantee there will be early scrapping. Lewis will not be satisfied to be outdone by Nico and Vettel is a beast with starts. Raikkonen is generally strong and tactical. Nando is a great and aggressive starter and Massa will be right there as well.
Paul.
Paul.
05-11-2013, 09:50 AM
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The Mercedes front row lock out is complete. The race is a different story and I can just about guarantee there will be early scrapping. Lewis will not be satisfied to be outdone by Nico and Vettel is a beast with starts. Raikkonen is generally strong and tactical. Nando is a great and aggressive starter and Massa will be right there as well.
Paul.
Paul.
