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Old May 24, 2011 | 02:03 AM
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Congrats to Button for showing there's more than one way to get on the podium ahead of Webber and Alonso! Congrats to Vettel and the RB garage for being able to leap frog Hamilton in the pits and stay ahead. Man the tires have really brought out the chess masters.

If Hamilton had come in from his first stint 2 laps earlier he would have won the race. Assuming Vettel couldn't have caught him at the end just like he couldn't catch Vettlel.
I disagree. Hamilton's strength was that he had a few more laps on his tires than Vettel. If he had copied Vettel's strategy the performance of the red bull would have been bigger. Hamilton's advantage through the race was that his tires were fresher.

And if Vettel had been behind Hamilton but on equal tires he would have passed Hamilton in the DRS zone. The reason why Hamilton couldn't pass Vettel was due to aerodynamic superiority in the Red Bull which caused Hamilton to lose ground in the last turn every time. He used KERS and DRS to catch up what he had lost but could not pass.

Anyways, a damn exciting race. It was a really fun to see the tactical solutions.
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Old May 24, 2011 | 08:11 AM
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Here's another brilliant qualifying comparison between Vettel and Webber. Very similar in some sections with tiny errors from both in different areas. It would probably have been close to identical times had Vettel's KERS been working.

Enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oKn4...&feature=feedu

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Old May 24, 2011 | 12:15 PM
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Damn it...uncle Bernie took it off
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Old May 25, 2011 | 02:47 AM
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Well it was a very good drive from Mark to drive equal to Vettel. But once in the race Vettel proved just how fast he could be again. Mark was dropped behind even before Alonso.

Alonso really drove great considering what kind of car he had. Very impressive to manage to keep up for so long. But the hard tires were too hard for the Ferrari.
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Old May 25, 2011 | 07:45 AM
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If Mark had managed a better start it would have been interesting to see the battle between him and Seb.

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Old May 26, 2011 | 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Mazmart
If Mark had managed a better start it would have been interesting to see the battle between him and Seb.

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I would anticipate Seb would try for an earlier pit stop to leap-frog Webber then in such a scenario.
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Old May 29, 2011 | 09:39 AM
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Damn it is impossible to pass in Monaco! Hamilton did make a few valiant attempts and will most likely be handed a penalty for each and every one.
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Old May 31, 2011 | 08:20 AM
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Damn it is impossible to pass in Monaco! Hamilton did make a few valiant attempts and will most likely be handed a penalty for each and every one.
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What a moron Hamilton was this weekend!!!! Damnn... He should have been given 1 or 2 race penalty. He acted like a child since things did not go his way... He caused 2 accidents Massa and Maldonado... So should I use the "race" card as he did?? "Muah Muah Muah... because I am black nobody likes me"...Shame on you....

He is back... sure he is.... He can't stand when a teammate does better... "an inferior" Button... yah right... Your *** was served this weekend and you deserved every bit of it...

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Old May 31, 2011 | 08:26 AM
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Lewis really got screwed in the qualifying situation and was a little disappointed with his team's decision not to send him out a little earlier in Q3. I think he was too impatient with Massa and I think Maldanado was at fault for closing the door on him. Sebastian drove great. Both Alonso and Button showed why they have been world champions.

Despite it's relative lack of passing, it's still a beautiful race to watch.

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Old Jun 1, 2011 | 10:09 AM
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Yeah, totally Ham fault with Massa, but the Maldanado incident seemed like just a racing incident AT BEST....Maldanado was all over the place up to the corner and had plenty of room to give Ham and avoid contact.
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Old Jun 3, 2011 | 09:29 AM
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What happened to everyone here??? Damn.... I would have expected to see many comments after Monaco race... like "Alonso would have passed Vettel if not for the Red flag"... or like... "Hamilton is still Alfy's god"...

Where is everybody?

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Old Jun 3, 2011 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Pololo_RX8
What happened to everyone here??? Damn.... I would have expected to see many comments after Monaco race... like "Alonso would have passed Vettel if not for the Red flag"... or like... "Hamilton is still Alfy's god"...

Where is everybody?

Carlos
Good question... the place is down in a slump at the moment. Its really sad. I didn't even have the energy to bite back on your previous comment which is outright scary.
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Old Jun 3, 2011 | 11:41 AM
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The Bahrain race has been reinstated in the calendar which once more proves that F1 is all about money and nothing else.

The Bahrain Grand Prix will go ahead in 2011, following a World Motor Sports Council (WMSC) meeting in Barcelona.

The FIA has decided that the race will be rescheduled for October 30, with the Indian Grand Prix originally planned for that weekend now moved to an as yet undecided date at the end of the season. A statement from the FIA said that the WMSC had voted unanimously to reinstate the race after a delegation visit to the country earlier this week:

'After considering all the factors and taking into consideration all stakeholders' concerns, the WMSC unanimously agreed to reinstate the Bahrain Grand Prix in the 2011 FIA Formula One World Championship.

This decision reflects the spirit of reconciliation in Bahrain, which is evident from the strong support the race receives from the Government and all major parties in Bahrain, including the largest opposition group, all of whom endorse the Formula One Grand Prix and motor sport in the country. The WMSC feels that reinstating the Grand Prix is a means of helping to unite people as the country looks to move forward, and also recognises the commitment made by the Formula One teams, their employees and families, and personnel associated with the Championship including the local team of volunteers who are so vital to the event.

The Bahrain Grand Prix will take place on 30 October, replacing the Indian Grand Prix, which will now become the final round of the 2011 Championship, combined with the FIA Annual General Assembly and Prize-Giving Gala.'

The Bahrain International Circuit (BIC) welcomed the decision, and Zayed R. Alzayani, chairman of the BIC, said: "This is welcome news for all of Bahrain. As a country we have faced a difficult time, but stability has returned; with businesses operating close to normal, the State of National Safety lifted and countries removing travel restrictions.

"Collectively, we are in the process of addressing issues of national and international concern, and learning lessons from the recent past. By the time the Grand Prix arrives we will be able to remind the world about Bahrain at its best.

"The Bahrain Grand Prix has always been a source of national pride and it is an event than transcends politics. Not only does it receive strong support from the Government, but also from all major parties in Bahrain, including our largest opposition group, Al Wefaq, who yesterday endorsed both the BIC and motor racing in Bahrain.

"Importantly, it will also offer a significant boost to the economy. The Grand Prix attracts 100,000 visitors, supports 3,000 jobs and generates around $500m of economic benefit. Its positive effect will be felt throughout the country.

"On behalf of Bahrain, I would like to thank Bernie Ecclestone, Jean Todt and the FIA and the rest of the motorsport community for the support and understanding they have extended to us this year."

The move is controversial, not only for the moral arguments against going to Bahrain, but also for the rescheduling of the Indian Grand Prix to the end of the season, a move that the teams were against.

Red Bull were first to react to the FIA's decision, with a statement on its website saying the matter would be discussed by FOTA.

"Red Bull Racing has acknowledged the FIA World Motor Sport Council's decision to go ahead with the 2011 Bahrain Grand Prix. We will go through the correct channels and discuss this decision within the appropriate forum with the other F1 teams and our fellow FOTA members"
http://en.espnf1.com/bahrain/motorsp...ory/50605.html
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Old Jun 8, 2011 | 10:22 AM
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11 teams have objected to racing in Bahrain. It looks like it won't happen.

"Formula One chief Bernie Ecclestone has admitted the Bahrain Grand Prix is unlikely to go ahead as the race cannot be rescheduled without the support of the teams."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...cclestone.html
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Old Jun 9, 2011 | 05:48 AM
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11 teams have objected to racing in Bahrain. It looks like it won't happen.

"Formula One chief Bernie Ecclestone has admitted the Bahrain Grand Prix is unlikely to go ahead as the race cannot be rescheduled without the support of the teams."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...cclestone.html
Yeah I saw that too. It really puts FIA in a great light no?

This is a fun read about Todt: http://en.espnf1.com/bahrain/motorsp...ory/50922.html
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Old Jun 12, 2011 | 08:51 PM
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What a drive by Button! It pains me to say it, but Lewis needs to be slapped. Stop hanging out with stupid celebs and concentrate on your game. You have the talent, but no one is going to make it easy and hand you the title.
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 04:12 AM
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Indeed what a drive for Button. As for Hamilton he did a stupid move on Webber, very stupid. But the incident with Button was a normal race incident. Granted a more cautious driver would not have gone on the outside of Button in that situation. But Hamilton is clearly not cautious.

Here is an article analyzing the situation with Button vs Alonso and Button vs Hamilton
http://en.espnf1.com/canada/motorsport/story/51508.html

Button was also involved in an earlier collision that put his team-mate Lewis Hamilton out of the race. Heading on to the pit straight Hamilton got a better exit from the final chicane and attempted to pass between the leading McLaren and the pit wall. However, Button closed the gap and the pair collided, causing damage to Hamilton's left-rear wheel.

After reviewing the data from the accident the stewards gave a three-point explanation of why the collision was neither drivers' fault.

1) Exiting Turn 13 there was a legitimate overtaking opportunity for Lewis Hamilton as his speed was greater than Jensen Button's.

2) Both drivers took lines substantially similar to many of the other drivers, and did not move as far to the left as the preceding driver, Michael Schumacher. At the moment after Hamilton moved to the left to pass, Button looked into his mirror. It appears from the position of Hamilton at that moment [and is confirmed by the drivers] that Button was unlikely to have seen Hamilton.

3) At the point of contact Button had not yet moved as far to the left of the track as he had on the previous lap, or that Schumacher had on that lap. The Stewards have concluded that it was reasonable for Hamilton to believe that Button would have seen him and that he could have made the passing manoeuvre. Further, the Stewards have concluded that it is reasonable to believe that Button was not aware of Hamilton's position to his left. Therefore, the Stewards decide that this was a "racing incident" and have taken no further action."
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 09:59 AM
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Heck,

Hamilton again.... Maybe he thought Button was "Timo Glock" and would let him pass on his racing line... what moron... I am afraid to say that if he continues to do this someone will get hurt..grow a bit..besides he will be going to Red Bull in the next couple of years so he does not really care about Webber nor Button... It's all about himself!!

In the USA, the transmission was cut ... BS BS!!! If this would have been Nascar the stupid race would have been broadcasted entirely.

Anyways, good drive by Button... it shows how smooth and gentle he in on the car ad tires.

Get rid of Domenicali and Massa....What stupid strategies!!!

Carlos
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 10:54 AM
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Heck,

Hamilton again.... Maybe he thought Button was "Timo Glock" and would let him pass on his racing line... what moron... I am afraid to say that if he continues to do this someone will get hurt..grow a bit..besides he will be going to Red Bull in the next couple of years so he does not really care about Webber nor Button... It's all about himself!!

In the USA, the transmission was cut ... BS BS!!! If this would have been Nascar the stupid race would have been broadcasted entirely.

Anyways, good drive by Button... it shows how smooth and gentle he in on the car ad tires.

Get rid of Domenicali and Massa....What stupid strategies!!!

Carlos
Hamilton's head is not in it. This article pretty much sums up what I've been thinking :

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/0...out-the-storm/

Originally Posted by James Allen
Hamilton was surrounded this weekend by a glamorous crowd in the McLaren hospitality area. Pop stars like Rihanna and Ice T, NBA basketball players towering over other guests, this was like a night at the MTV Awards, more than a race meeting. Ron Dennis looked on quizzically at all the bling.

“That’s where Lewis’ head is at right now,” said one seasoned F1 insider as we stood together surveying the scene.
Amazing talent, just hanging out with the wrong crowd.

For once, I don't fault Domenically. We get the BBC feed in Canada, so I watched the whole thing. Button was lighting up purple sectors all over the track on inters. Alonso followed suit and had blistering pace as well, but then the rain came and the race got red-flagged. Then to add insult to injury, the other cars got a freebie tire change on race restart. Completely unfair to those that made the right call earlier (McLaren, Ferrari, etc). This was bad luck all around for Ferrari.
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 07:34 PM
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As this race was coming to a close and Button was beginning to put pressure on Vettel my electricity went (Power outage) .
The best action this year and I could not see it. Oh well!

Here, thanks to youtube, is some of the good stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfsfN...eature=related

I also agree that Lewis needs to get his head back in the game and less in the glamor.

Paul.
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 09:13 PM
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Man i'm so happy I didn't go to the GP this year ... waiting 2h+ under the rain... LOL

Great ending to'!
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PerSmitt
Indeed what a drive for Button. As for Hamilton he did a stupid move on Webber, very stupid. But the incident with Button was a normal race incident. Granted a more cautious driver would not have gone on the outside of Button in that situation. But Hamilton is clearly not cautious.

Here is an article analyzing the situation with Button vs Alonso and Button vs Hamilton
http://en.espnf1.com/canada/motorsport/story/51508.html
A pure racing incident IMO, I don't know if any of you ever raced, but at those speeds, when you have a slight advantage over the guy in front of you and you're already WOT it's a split second decision. Button slipped, Hamilton had the opportunity, too bad he needed 0.005s more.
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Old Jun 14, 2011 | 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by [c]K
A pure racing incident IMO, I don't know if any of you ever raced, but at those speeds, when you have a slight advantage over the guy in front of you and you're already WOT it's a split second decision. Button slipped, Hamilton had the opportunity, too bad he needed 0.005s more.
I have only raced Go Carts at 90 km/h speeds. Been tracking with the car but again no race up to around 200 km/h. Still its slow motion compared to a real F1 race.

The Hamilton vs Button was purely a race incident at least according to the judges. What I object to is when Hamilton tried to dive on the inside of Webber. He knows from experience that after so little driving he is still not 100% on the wets. He brought too much speed into the turn and hit Webber.

They both lost places for it so it was a stupid move all in all. If Hamilton had been slightly cooler he could have taken Webber elsewhere on the track using DRS. Also when he tried to move on the outside and failed to brake and then lost a position to Button was also stupid.

If he had kept his cool a few more laps then he would never have gotten any incident and he would have picked off the front runners one by one using DRS and their own mistakes.
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Old Jun 14, 2011 | 05:30 PM
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Wow! What a fantastic race! Aside from the 20 hour rain delay, the later half of the race almost made up for the boring bits. So many moments stood out for me. I was cheering for Michael to be on the podium. We all love to hate him, but I wanted him to do good after all the non-results he was getting. Did anyone else notice all the marshals falling? What on earth is up with that. I winced to see the F1 cars zooming up to him and the marshal still couldn't get up! I thought surely this wasn't going to end well.
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by moRotorMotor
Wow! What a fantastic race! Aside from the 20 hour rain delay, the later half of the race almost made up for the boring bits. So many moments stood out for me. I was cheering for Michael to be on the podium. We all love to hate him, but I wanted him to do good after all the non-results he was getting. Did anyone else notice all the marshals falling? What on earth is up with that. I winced to see the F1 cars zooming up to him and the marshal still couldn't get up! I thought surely this wasn't going to end well.
Gods I was screaming in the couch when that guy fell and we saw the car coming around the corner.
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