Official 2011 Formula 1 Season Discussion
04-09-2011, 02:33 PM
#555
I am uber excited to see Lewis against Seb in cars that are closer to equal. This should be very good. Again, I'm not a fan of tire management. I want to see raw driving skill take precedence.
Paul.
Paul.
04-10-2011, 04:51 AM
#561
Yep..
nice race for Ferrari overall.
I feel that the biggest problem this season are the tyres. I'm not talking about performance (they are crap) but about their drop-off. Hamilton and Petrov risked a lot for nothing just because these crappy turkish tyres don't last.
nice race for Ferrari overall.
I feel that the biggest problem this season are the tyres. I'm not talking about performance (they are crap) but about their drop-off. Hamilton and Petrov risked a lot for nothing just because these crappy turkish tyres don't last.
04-10-2011, 04:56 AM
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04-10-2011, 05:24 AM
#566
That's because you're a f1 n00b :p
Ferrari had serious problems with Massa's first stop, then Alonso's wing and still they scored good points and even fought for the podium till Alonso's nailing of Hamilton.
That's a good race overall!
Pirelli is an italian manufacturer but produces in turkey. Italian tyres my *** then... they can brag about it as much as they want but they're still using mediocre technology and second class workers to build'em.
Ferrari had serious problems with Massa's first stop, then Alonso's wing and still they scored good points and even fought for the podium till Alonso's nailing of Hamilton.
That's a good race overall!
Pirelli is an italian manufacturer but produces in turkey. Italian tyres my *** then... they can brag about it as much as they want but they're still using mediocre technology and second class workers to build'em.
04-10-2011, 05:33 AM
#567
yea... they've their problems, yada-yada, but this is racing. and what if had nothing wrong happened to hamilton or petrov? where'd crybaby be huh? lol... serious problems. yes and so with their fans lol... ur judgement is blinded bse :D
so... according to your theory, that makes kia, bmw, toyota american then? or maybe mercedes is chinese? or wait... the motherlode... apple's chinese!!! i get it now. it doesn't matter where stuff's being made, it matters where the heritage belongs lol.
and for the record, i think perelli was asked to produce faster wearing tires to make races more exciting, in the request of FOTA.
http://www.thef1times.com/news/display/02740
we still love you :D no homo.
so... according to your theory, that makes kia, bmw, toyota american then? or maybe mercedes is chinese? or wait... the motherlode... apple's chinese!!! i get it now. it doesn't matter where stuff's being made, it matters where the heritage belongs lol.
and for the record, i think perelli was asked to produce faster wearing tires to make races more exciting, in the request of FOTA.
http://www.thef1times.com/news/display/02740
we still love you :D no homo.
04-10-2011, 06:01 AM
#569
I already said that tyre wear is important. Petrov couldn't manage it, Hamilton is in serious troubles since he's so aggressive. He had no other problems except his driving style today!
Ferrari managed that, that's the reason why they finished so high despite all the problems.
Button did a crappy and boring race yet finished second because his style is silky smooth, Nick the quick did pretty much the same and also fought with hamilton, leading to his increased tyre wear.
Pirelli did a good job in making short lasting tyres, the problem is that they also grip less than the bridgestones, have a higher drop-off rate and the prime don't last longer than the options... making compound changes idiotic and completely useless. That's what happens when you build tyres with turkish qualities. Why not use hankooks or nankang then!
Ferrari managed that, that's the reason why they finished so high despite all the problems.
Button did a crappy and boring race yet finished second because his style is silky smooth, Nick the quick did pretty much the same and also fought with hamilton, leading to his increased tyre wear.
Pirelli did a good job in making short lasting tyres, the problem is that they also grip less than the bridgestones, have a higher drop-off rate and the prime don't last longer than the options... making compound changes idiotic and completely useless. That's what happens when you build tyres with turkish qualities. Why not use hankooks or nankang then!
04-10-2011, 10:34 AM
#570
Hamilton and Alonso accept post-race penalties
http://en.espnf1.com/malaysia/motors...ory/45719.html
It seems that the race stewards think neither of them were playing nice.
Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso have no complaints about the punishments handed to them by the stewards of the Malaysian Grand Prix.
Both drivers were given 20-second post-race penalties for their driving during a close battle that ended in a collision.
Hamilton was deemed to have breached Article 20.2 of the Sporting Regulations, which outlaws "manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers" - in Hamilton's case changing his line twice while blocking Alonso on lap 45.
"I knew I was going to get a penalty, I'm not surprised," Hamilton was quoted by Autosport. "I was in with the stewards, so I anticipated it. I always try to assume the worst-case scenario. It's only one spot, and it's not really made me feel any worse than how the weekend has gone anyway."
When asked if it was fair, he replied: "It's racing. I'm not going to argue or disagree with the penalty. From my side I'm not allowed to move more than once. Do I class it as dangerous? No, but that's the rule.
"Twenty seconds is not such a bad penalty for it. As for Fernando, he hit me, he got a 20-second penalty, but it didn't really do anything to him. It doesn't exactly work out as a penalty, but again, that's racing."
Alonso was penalised for breaking Article 16.1 when he caused an avoidable accident attempting to pass Hamilton on lap 46. The collision resulted in damage to the rear of the McLaren and a broken front wing on the Ferrari.
"It doesn't change positions, so there is no a big drama," he said. "I finished sixth in the race anyway, and it was a race incident. I tried to overtake, we touched each other and unfortunately I broke the front wing and had to pit again, and I lost the podium possibility. But in the next race I will try again."
Asked who he blamed for the collision, Alonso said: "It is one of those things. You try and race and we touched each other. The stewards called us to see our opinions and the decision is this.
"We are not the ones that decide, or have anything to say about the decision. We try to race, to try to enjoy the race in the cockpit and hopefully next time we finish both with no problems."
Both drivers were given 20-second post-race penalties for their driving during a close battle that ended in a collision.
Hamilton was deemed to have breached Article 20.2 of the Sporting Regulations, which outlaws "manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers" - in Hamilton's case changing his line twice while blocking Alonso on lap 45.
"I knew I was going to get a penalty, I'm not surprised," Hamilton was quoted by Autosport. "I was in with the stewards, so I anticipated it. I always try to assume the worst-case scenario. It's only one spot, and it's not really made me feel any worse than how the weekend has gone anyway."
When asked if it was fair, he replied: "It's racing. I'm not going to argue or disagree with the penalty. From my side I'm not allowed to move more than once. Do I class it as dangerous? No, but that's the rule.
"Twenty seconds is not such a bad penalty for it. As for Fernando, he hit me, he got a 20-second penalty, but it didn't really do anything to him. It doesn't exactly work out as a penalty, but again, that's racing."
Alonso was penalised for breaking Article 16.1 when he caused an avoidable accident attempting to pass Hamilton on lap 46. The collision resulted in damage to the rear of the McLaren and a broken front wing on the Ferrari.
"It doesn't change positions, so there is no a big drama," he said. "I finished sixth in the race anyway, and it was a race incident. I tried to overtake, we touched each other and unfortunately I broke the front wing and had to pit again, and I lost the podium possibility. But in the next race I will try again."
Asked who he blamed for the collision, Alonso said: "It is one of those things. You try and race and we touched each other. The stewards called us to see our opinions and the decision is this.
"We are not the ones that decide, or have anything to say about the decision. We try to race, to try to enjoy the race in the cockpit and hopefully next time we finish both with no problems."
It seems that the race stewards think neither of them were playing nice.
04-10-2011, 10:45 AM
#571
It was a well and correct duel anyway. Hamilton pushed his luck by changing directions too many times but how can a race accident be deemed worthy of a penalty?
They were racing and both rules are overly stupid. Take off the crap wings that don't work and let the drivers change lanes as many times as they want...
We had 2 real drivers with brass nuts fighting for a position so passing IS possible, if you have the guts. Take the milk drinkers off the track and bring the whisky drinkers back in.
Every accident is avoidable, per se. Just go slower...
isn't racing all about being the fastest?
They were racing and both rules are overly stupid. Take off the crap wings that don't work and let the drivers change lanes as many times as they want...
We had 2 real drivers with brass nuts fighting for a position so passing IS possible, if you have the guts. Take the milk drinkers off the track and bring the whisky drinkers back in.
Every accident is avoidable, per se. Just go slower...
isn't racing all about being the fastest?
04-10-2011, 11:59 AM
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04-10-2011, 12:44 PM
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Thank you Captain Eyebrows. Time to up your skill next time you try to pass Hamilton.
Knowing the history between these two, I wonder if this was a calculated ramming that went awry.
Knowing the history between these two, I wonder if this was a calculated ramming that went awry.
04-10-2011, 12:51 PM
#574
We, the members of the Ferrari Brotherhood of the prancing horse, could say that it was Hamilton needing more skills to avoid being passed by Alonso. Changing lanes more than once is prohibited, and he needed to break the rules to stay ahead, lol.
Oh you mcmuffin fans!
04-10-2011, 01:10 PM
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Are you serious? In F1 it's the guy in the back that gets the worst out of such attempts... flaps vs wheels, wheels always win.
We, the members of the Ferrari Brotherhood of the prancing horse, could say that it was Hamilton needing more skills to avoid being passed by Alonso. Changing lanes more than once is prohibited, and he needed to break the rules to stay ahead, lol.
Oh you mcmuffin fans!
We, the members of the Ferrari Brotherhood of the prancing horse, could say that it was Hamilton needing more skills to avoid being passed by Alonso. Changing lanes more than once is prohibited, and he needed to break the rules to stay ahead, lol.
Oh you mcmuffin fans!