Yes you would. You have constantly bashed Ferrari for the past 4 years here.
The penalty against Hammy was no where near appropriate. He should have lost a lap for that safety violation. Rather than just a drive through.

Oh please Hamilton only mentioned vettle once, and that was to say Vettle hit him, All drivers do that . What you didnt see hamilton do is cry on the radio the whole race, likee alonso was doing. There is a huge difference from what hamilton said vs cryng madonna alonso.

Alonso spent more time talking about hamilton position and crying about it then actually racing. He let a rookie over take him, i bet he is going to cry and say that F1 is bias toward kobo. which is why kobo was able to overtake him. since that is his biggest excuse when he was mclaren, talking about how mclaren was so bias to hamilton which is why hamilton was able to out drive him when they were team mates.

Alonso is so delusional he thought the race was fixed

http://www.formula1.com/news/intervi...0/6/10965.html


Q: Fernando obviously said that this race was manipulated. What do you think about this?
LH: Ah, I think he is probably reacting emotionally

LMAO aln, hamilton whining about his car vibrating? sounds like he was telling the pits to find out about the vibrations since he was concerned with his car. You cant tell me you wouldnt had done the same.

Q: At the beginning you were talking on the team radio about vibrations on your car. Tell us about the contact with Vettel at the start and what was going on in your mind in those moments. It could have been game over for you…

LH: Yes, I had a little contact with Sebastian in the first corner. I went for the move and he closed the gap as much as he could. Unfortunately I was going direct towards the kerbs - I hit the kerbs and was pushed down and we touched. Fortunately it didn’t hamper him, but I did damage my front wing and had huge understeer. But I messed around with the controls and put the wing up as much as I could. I still had massive understeer but was able to hold the pace and when the safety car came out I came into the pits and was able to change the front wing and the tyres. It was probably one of our best pit stops - and I needed a good pit stop. From that moment on it was really difficult to overtake. Even the backmarkers are hard to overtake.

http://www.formula1.com/news/intervi...0/6/10965.html

You know what you are so right, because for the last 4 years Ferrari has been the biggest crap talkers in F!. You would think they would learn their lesson by now, but nope they continue to talk crap and continue to go down the crap hole.

You would think they would of learned their lesson last season when Brawn and RB was the 2 teams owing F1. Ferrari spends more time crying then actually building a fast car, that there are rumors that Ferrari is giving up on this season car and work on next season cars. That is almost the same thing ferrari did last year. If things dont go there way, they just give up, or blame it on their drivers. Remember how frustrated Kimi was with Ferrari toward the end of the season, because ferrari just gave up on their car?

As for the pentalty, i bet you ferrari was so happy with drive by, until the drive by didnt do squat. now they are crying about the whole situation. Again this is so ferrari, happy then become bunch of cry babies. Makes me wonder if that team is ran by a bunch of biopolars . in fact i can just imagine what it was like at the pit wall.

Ferrari: we talked to the FIA, they are making Hamilton to do a drive by.

ALonso; WOOOOT that means hamilton is going to fall way back. Sorry guys, <sniff sniff> it just i got so emotional that i started to cry. You guys know how i get, if things dont go my way i just throw out temper tantrums.

Ferrari: Its ok Alonso we understand, and this drive by is a good for us, and bad for hamilton. <whipers> btw massa is a better team mate then you

Alonso: did you say that Massa is a better driver then me?

Ferrari; oh no Alonso, we said to keep cool and stay calm. Btw Hamilton is still in second place. he did his drive by and it didnt do squat.

Alonso: Thats so BS, <silence> umm guys I think i need to change out my tampons.


btw the comments in this page is so hillarious.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11006272...-results-video

I heard the team radios, Alonso was just complaining but in the end he drove very fast anyway.
Kobayashi did a very nice and clean overtake on him and the following driver though. Sticky tires on a hot track mean a lot!

Ferrari fans, Please rally your troops. Alonso really needs you to come to his side. The guy is crying a freaking river, and he needs your donation of tissues to get him through this SCANDAL that the stewards have miraculously came up with.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11006272...milton-penalty

Furious Alonso slams stewards after Hamilton penalty
A furious Fernando Alonso has accused FIA stewards of manipulating Sunday's European grand prix.

The Ferrari driver was running behind Lewis Hamilton at Valencia when the safety car was pulling onto the track to attend to Mark Webber's crash.

The McLaren passed the FIA vehicle and was penalised with a drive-through penalty but finished the race in second place.

"One who respects the rules is ninth, and the one who does not respect them is second," Alonso is quoted by the Spanish sports website as.com.

He was also critical of the time it took the stewards, this weekend including former grand prix winner Heinz-Harald Frentzen, to reach the decision to penalise Hamilton.

"It seems it was very difficult to watch a replay; it takes many laps," said Alonso sarcastically.

"Everything is against us. They allow everything and it's a shame the public has today seen a race that is not quite real."


Hamilton tells Ferrari to F off, and just deal with it.

Hamilton tells furious Ferrari to 'accept' rules

Ferrari has added an equally stinging appraisal of Sunday's European grand prix, after driver Fernando Alonso accused the FIA stewards of manipulating the result.

Alonso was critical of McLaren's Lewis Hamilton receiving a drive-through penalty but still managing to finish second, after illegally overtaking the safety car.

Spaniard Alonso's F10 had been immediately behind Hamilton at the time, but finished the race just ninth.

In a report posted on its official website, Ferrari said the outcome in Valencia is "a scandal".

"The way the race and the incidents during it were managed raise doubts that could see formula one lose some credibility again, as it was seen around the world," read the report.

Speaking to reporters afterwards, Hamilton initially said he couldn't remember passing the safety car, but then said he thought he had passed it when he spotted it in the pit entry, "so I continued".

Later, in an official statement, the Briton said: "I took my penalty - it's quite a long time to spend at 60kmh in the pitlane - and I came out second.

"I don't see how that's unfair -- it's racing, and those are the rules, and we all have to accept them."

Staying above the minimum SC lap time means you need to go slower not faster. The lap must take longer than the minimum SC lap by the regs.

So the penalty was for speeding.

Agreed.

Actually it is a sector by sector time to make cars not race 2 sectors and then crawl the third.

Button mentioned that he got the light for SC in the last high speed corner. Since he was committed to the corner he had to keep his speed or just lift off lightly. He could not slam the brakes since that would have spun his car.

On the exit of the corner he had to brake anyways for the pit lane so he was chance less in matching the sector time that was set since he had only the last corner to regulate his speed.

There's a hole in the rulebook, there should be consensus there.
I can also understand what Ferrari says about minor teams being dangerous. I can understand a lap difference of a second or two but Webber clearly was a victim of a way too slower car! He was still accelerating while the other car literally stopped to enter the turn.

Glad webber is ok.

I really am hoping that Webber wins the Championship this year. As for the constructers i really hope Mclaren wins it.

The problem isn't the speed difference. It's the way the drivers handle it. There are many races, where less capable drivers, have to deal with cars of wildly various speeds. Think of multi-class events. I was in a SCCA Drivers School, in my RX7, where a Trans-Am series prepared car was also on the track. When he passed me on one straight, he was going about 80 mph faster than I.
The problem with F1 is knowing what the other driver is going to do. If the slower driver just held his line, the overtaking driver would know he is going to half to go off line to pass. This would also work if the slower driver failed to notice the faster driver coming up on him (for what ever reason).

It was reported, in the press, that he will be ready to drive for the Silverstone race.

I agree with aln on this one. Lemans is the best example of fast proto cars vs slow GT cars. Even though they flash lights etc, i believe the Pits crew keeps their drivers up todate on who they are approaching or who is approaching them.

personally i thnk Heki was getting out of webbers way, by allowing webber to take the outside lane due to a right corner that they were about to take.

In this case Kovaleinen had covered the inside defending and was moving out a bit to take the turn like you always do when defending.

The problem here is that all the teams are racing against each other and the slower teams will defend against the faster ones if there is no blue flag. There is no reason why they should turn belly up.

It is simply for a driver in a fast car to know that the slow car ahead is REALLY slow and do an attack where it is impossible to defend against it. Turn 12 was the best place for passing in Valencia and had Webber waited until then not being stuck to the Lotus gearbox, then he would have passed without incident.

Lotus go with the "if no blue flag then we are racing" so I can guarantee you that he was not getting out of Webbers way.

I dotn know about that, Heki move to the right while they were coming to a right turn. Wouldnt a driver move to the left then cut into the corner, espeically at the speed they were at. I do not know any drivers who comes to a turn in the inside lane, unless they are battling each other.

Either of the Lotus drivers, or any of the "new" teams, should know that they have no chance of holding up Webber. I believe that he was trying to get out of the way. And Webber, was trying to figure out what the hell was going on in Heki's head and what he was going to do.

Apparently, I made some wrong assumptions.

European GP: Lotus race report

Heikki Kovalainen (Chassis T127-01) Qualified 20th, DNF "First of all it's good news that both of us are ok. Mark had a hardcore flight, and it could have ended up much worse, so it's good we're both fine. It's such a shame the race ended that early - I was going really well, pulling away from the guys behind by about half a second a lap, and with Mark we were racing for position so I was always going to defend. I didn't do anything wrong and he just ran into me. I think he missed his braking point and he ran into me at a very bad angle - his front tyre hit my right rear and he took off. I had to make a mandatory visit to the medical centre, and shook hands with Mark there, but I'm absolutely fine, and glad Mark is too."

http://www.motorsport.com/news/artic...D=375079&FS=F1

Me too :sweatdrop

Well time for some News!!!!!


At the Ferrari camp things are heating up. That they went out and asked THEIR fans what they thought of the race. Now we know how delusional Ferrari can be, but come on Ferrari fans, I can sit here and list so many things that Ferrari fans got away with in the last 4 years , that I can not take Ferrari serioulsy with their BOO HOOing outburst.

Oh Alonso, you can call Hamilton a liar all day long, but us non Alonso fans know that you knew abotu the singapore race, and we know you stole the race, because you wouldnt thank flava flav at the end of the season. So keep on crying you douche, because your only making your self look like a arse to the F1 world. OH Ferrari keep doing yoru thing, getting free laughs is always a plus for me.

A tip to Ferrari, when teams dont get it their way with the FIA, they suck it up and continue on the next race, I sugess you should do the same, because while your crying you are only letting your already crappy car go to waste.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11006282...claren-thieves

Ferrari's rage against the outcome of the European grand prix went from bad to worse on Monday.

With Fernando Alonso having accused the stewards of manipulating the Valencia race, the Italian team echoed the apparent view of some fans that Lewis Hamilton's drive-through penalty for overtaking the safety car was a "scandal".

But in another website report on Monday, Ferrari stepped up its attack, repeating the view of one fan that had hit out at "McLaren thieves" who were "up to their usual dirty tricks".

Another fan said: "The FIA at Valencia showed it's not entirely in charge of the events that it's organising", and yet another added: "Is this the latest version of Jean Todt? Those who order and manipulate are always the same."

Ferrari quoted another fan as saying: "Federation of clowns! What help is a five-second penalty? Useless and the usual English mafia!"

And another: "Enough with the help for Hamilton. How can he lie and cheat and still get away scot-free?"

Mirror correspondent Byron Young wrote on Twitter that in "Max Mosley's day", there would be "sanctions" for accusing the FIA of fixing races.

When the rage intensified on Monday, he added: "Are the FIA going to act or will Jean Todt dodge the first big F1 test of his presidency?"

Ferrari's website writer continued his tirade on Monday morning, repeating the La Gazzetta dello Sport headline "Scandal Hamilton, Ferrari deceived", and revealing that Spanish sports daily Marca believes F1 must "oppose Hamilton's favourable treatment".

But some sections of the international press are unimpressed with Ferrari's attitude; Daily Mail writer Jonathan McEvoy said it "smacks of arrogance and desperation".

"They are the grandest team in the sport, but they are just one of the players. Not the referee. Perhaps if the season had gone their way, they might be more sanguine."

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11006282...claren-thieves

Guys... you should know by now that I'm never wrong :fingersx:

And on that note I should point out that I might have been wrong about the sector time for penalty when SC is deployed. I dunno where I read it but other things indicate that it is a time over an entire lap and not just sector by sector so I really don't know what is correct there or not.

I wonder if the race stewards do ;)

Sweet god. What is their major malfunction?!

I am glad we got the unbiased and well thought through input of the Ferrari fans. Always enlightening.

Ferrari and their fans always thinking they are all HIGH AND MIGHTY. Which is why they are running 4th for the constructors list :rock:

Oh how Hamilton fans forget Australia and Monaco when they talk about other drivers who whine on the radio. If the roles were reversed (and it was Alonso ahead of Hamilton when the SC came out) I'm sure Hamilton would have whined as well. They all do it, we only hear what the FIA wants us to hear. They all need to shut the hell up and drive.

Alonso and Ferrari are both being huge cry-babies about this but I can understand their frustration. The penalty should have been called MUCH quicker than it was. That being said, it's over with and they should move on. This is coming from an Alonso fan and Ferrari supporter so not all of us are insane. ;)

Ferrari is looking for any handout it can get because they just put a huge improvement on the car and they're STILL behind Red Bull and McLaren. If they put all of their eggs into the diffuser basket then they need to quit developing the car now and start focusing on next year as far as I'm concered.