RA-Eight

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A sports car for the purist getting even more pure, is that possible? Love the AP2s, can't wait to see this edition.

Steiner

Now who's shooting blanks?

VikingDJ

Perhaps, but it will just be to give people a downgraded version of an Elise for a more affordable price. I love my S2000 to death, but I'd take an Elise in a heartbeat over it if I could afford so. I doubt this car will match the Elise in performance, but I'd love to be proven wrong. It definitely can't in looks IMO. The S2000 can't ever touch an Elise without the price tag going insanely high like the Elise. However, this S2000 can be more of a poor man's Elise, and makes for more affordable and practical enthusiast track car.

Sephiroth

So what you said is all just speculation?

Raptor2k

If Honda came out with a ligher S2k with 260 bhp for $32k....

UFGator12

Ouch. The part about the warm **** and the rain was pretty funny.

Raptor2k

Jacques79

...says the RX-8 owner...

124Spider

Why would you think otherwise? Everything about this car is speculation until the car show. But do you disagree that my speculatation makes sense?

ZoomZoomH

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*unsubs from e-***** contest*

strokercharged95gt

They both have no torque, but why buy a car that may be stripped down to save a few lbs...

124Spider

Yeah, you're right. The Elise is a totally uninteresting car; they only pretend that mating a mediocre engine with a very light car is attractive. What could Honda possibly be thinking, mating a very fine engine with a light car? Who would find that attractive?

This thread sure is Exhibit A that there are lots of folks out there who are just haters. If you don't find the prospect of the car interesting, why do you feel the need to leap from your own lack of interest to these mindless value judgments, as if actual car enthusiasts (and track junkies) share your pariochial opinions? Such opinions reflect only on the one delivering them, not on the object of the opinon.

playdoh43

seems to me youre making mindless value judgements your self calling the yamaha engine in the elise "mediocre", which you have every right to do, just as strokercharged95gt has every right to question who would buy this car. Its a niche trim among a niche market car, hes opinion seems pretty reasonable. is there need to engage in a personal attack of his character?

124Spider

LOL. "Mediocre" compared to the "awesome" engine he has in his Mustang. "Mediocre" to those who think that torque is the be all and end all of automotive technology.

I was attempting to use irony. I know that that's risky on the internet, but there it is. If I had a spare $45,000 for a track toy, the Elise would be the only thing on my short list.

Next time I'll use quotes around "mediocre," so that you might understand.

He attacked the car as being absolutely unintersting, saying that merely light weight, coupled with a low-torque engine, was uninteresting; he didn't offer a civil opinion that he was not attracted to it, he wondered why anyone would be. As it happens, I am not attracted to big, powerful V-8s, but I don't mindlessly ask why anyone would be; I understand their appeal to some, but I just don't share that. As I said, attempting to use irony, I pointed out that "light weight combined with low torque," which he denigrated, is the formula for the Elise, which some people find quite interesting.

As to your last couple of sentences, I wasn't "attacking his character." Rather, I was questioning why people feel the need to come on a thread about an interesting car being announced, and bash it. If the car isn't interesting to you, why the need to bash it, rather than just ignoring it? That bashing of other cars goes on so much around here.

murix

I seriously doubt 2600lbs/260hp. I fail to believe there is a big enough market for no roof.

If they can get close to those specs and it is somewhat livable, I would consider checking it out for sure. No question it would be a fun car.

playdoh43

um..I knew you were being ironic, but I also see that you called the Elise engine a mediocre engine while the s2k engine a fine engine. the relative differences between the Elise and S2k engine didn't have much to do with your goal of being ironic about the mustang engine....

Jacques79

Well 240HP in a 2800 pound car is quite different than 240HP in a 2600 pound car.

Plus if they raise the HP a bit say to 260, than 260HP in a 2600 pound car will be more entertaining than 260HP in a 2800 pound car :D

124Spider

"Mediocre" was a poor choice of words. The Yamaha engine in the Elise is a wonderful engine; it's just significantly lower in both power and torque than the Honda engine in the S2000. Perhaps I should have said that the Yamaha engine is even lower in torque than the S2000 engine, and yet, when mated with a light car, manages to inspire some pretty enthusiastic responses.

Happy?

strokercharged95gt

My point of my argument is that I cant see a person going to the dealer and spending 30k on a car that may be at most a 100 lbs lighter that would be missing most luxuries that you would expect for a car your paying 30k for. My suggestion was to add a little extra tq/hp and keep all those luxuries so people will buy it. Example would you pay 30 k for a car weighing 3000lbs and 260hp with everything comfortable for a daily driver or 30k for a car weighing 2900lbs and 240hp with no comforts. Thats all my comment was getting at.

and then you insult the ancient mustang pushrod technology which Ill give you... It has been around forever. But I would put any of your so called super motors against a LS7 pushrod anyday of the week.

playdoh43

sure

except that the whole point of your statement is that mustang owners are all about power and torque, yet you seem to place a lot of importance on power and torque your self, refering to the Elise engine as mediocre because it has a lot less power and torque than the s2k engine which you referred to as "fine" because it has more power and torque

j/k,

all im saying is everyones got their opinions, i don't see anything wrong with people voicing their opinion in criticizing a car they don't like, its our place to argue against things that we dont agree with, but its not necessary to criticize the person that deliver them thats all.

captain mercury

doesnt honda make that little astronaut looking robot? that guy is f'ing sweet!

124Spider

Gee, you have quite an interesting definition of "insult." I inferred from your snotty post that you have no interest in engines with relatively little torque, and even less respect. My jab was just at that narrow, parochial view of automotive engineering, not at powerful, high-torque engines.

Unlike you, I actually appreciate all neat cars, whether they're pushrod V-8 engines (and the Corvette may well be the best value in a high performance car in the world), or low-torque, high-revving engines which move light, tossable cars around road courses in a remarkable fashion.

And all I did, initially, in response to your first post, doubting that anyone would be interested in a car with more power and less weight than the present S2000, but with fewer amenities, was to point out that the Elise, which takes that formula to an extreme, is rather popular.

The point I am trying to make is that there are many different ways to make cars which please people. Some people think that the ultimate measure of a car is its quarter-mile time. Some think it's the power/torque of its engine. Some look at performance on an autocross course as the measure. Some look to road courses. To each his own, but it is narrow-minded and unhelpful to bash a car just because it doesn't appeal to you.

Red Devil

http://asimo.honda.com/

Pretty cool stuff...

Tessai

I'm interested in hearing more about this car, but I have to agree with the earlier sentiment about Hondas being boring. Although, no where near as boring as Toyota pumping out yet another CamRola. =/.

I just don't see Honda bumping up the HP much more, or lightening the car that much more. In other words, I don't see it as being that significant of a difference over the current model.

I agree that it sounds like a stripped-down Club Sport-ish model for racing. Just doesn't sound like a drastic improvement.

I hope Honda proves me wrong.

murix

I would pay 30k for a lighter car with less luxury vs heavier car with more power.