New Civic Si dyno in at just under 190 fwhp?
02-14-2006, 04:58 PM
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Yeah well i'll race you all with my Porsche!!!....kidding.
02-14-2006, 06:05 PM
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I do not believe the 190 whp for one simple, obvious reason. The car was rated at 200 hp originally. Just like any other manufacture, this number was used because it was a nice round number. Then under the new dyno procedure (can’t remember what it’s called) the car's rating dropped to 197 hp. This number doesn't look good from a marketing stand point. If the motor was really making more power, there is no way that Honda would willingly advertise 197 hp instead of 200 hp.
02-14-2006, 06:50 PM
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Well Look at the SRT4 when it came out originally, It was advertise as 215 hp. dynos where showing about that at the wheels if not more. Later on Dodge raise the HP #. Maybe Honda wants to keep the # there because it might hurt sales on the RSX.
BTW people get over it, there are cars out there that are shity but still faster than the 8, we don't own the fastest car on the planet, but we own the most unique one though!!!!
BTW people get over it, there are cars out there that are shity but still faster than the 8, we don't own the fastest car on the planet, but we own the most unique one though!!!!
02-14-2006, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by s13lover
I do not believe the 190 whp for one simple, obvious reason. The car was rated at 200 hp originally. Just like any other manufacture, this number was used because it was a nice round number. Then under the new dyno procedure (can’t remember what it’s called) the car's rating dropped to 197 hp. This number doesn't look good from a marketing stand point. If the motor was really making more power, there is no way that Honda would willingly advertise 197 hp instead of 200 hp.
02-14-2006, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by djseto
Its not a dyno standard. You are referring to the new SAE standard for measuring HP.
02-14-2006, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by djseto
Its not a dyno standard. You are referring to the new SAE standard for measuring HP.
02-14-2006, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
Which is pretty much just some guy standing around watching them do the testing. If the SI made more horsepower than teh RSX would you advertise if if you were Honda? I sure wouldn't, you should hear the RSX guys grumbling about the new SI as it is.
02-14-2006, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by hondasr4kids
Well Look at the SRT4 when it came out originally, It was advertise as 215 hp. dynos where showing about that at the wheels if not more. Later on Dodge raise the HP #. Maybe Honda wants to keep the # there because it might hurt sales on the RSX.
BTW people get over it, there are cars out there that are shity but still faster than the 8, we don't own the fastest car on the planet, but we own the most unique one though!!!!
BTW people get over it, there are cars out there that are shity but still faster than the 8, we don't own the fastest car on the planet, but we own the most unique one though!!!!
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Originally Posted by s13lover
I thought the new test procedure required actual production exhaust instead of just mock-ups.
02-15-2006, 03:08 PM
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Bummed, but bring on OU!
02-15-2006, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
The way I understand it SAE tsnadard testing has been around for years, but it's not becoming the norm and now they're sending out engineers to witness the testing. Still plenty of wiggle room in the system it would seem.
02-15-2006, 03:26 PM
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I was also expecting the SI to be a little quicker than it was. If that car is 6.6-6.8 to 60 with a clutch drop then there is NO DOUBT that a stock 8 will be sub 6. In comparsion it felt gutless, sounded nice when VTEC kicked in but yeah didn't feel as quick as an old COUPE si. Another thing i'm 6'6" I looked like a reject in it and didn't fit that well either. The Great Mutato designed the interior and the nav was much harder to use than mine, I drove with all seasons and it felt tippy so Darkmanz could be feeling that? For FWD I thought it handle decent. UMMM all in all I guess I don't think it dyno's that high either?
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there are different dyno standards not to mention different types of dynoes... dyno numbers are also easy to manipulate. unless they have something else that ran on the same dyno under similar conditions to compare against the si, it dosnt really say much. we can just look at magazine 0-60 and 1/4 times.
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Originally Posted by hondasr4kids
Well Look at the SRT4 when it came out originally, It was advertise as 215 hp. dynos where showing about that at the wheels if not more. Later on Dodge raise the HP #. Maybe Honda wants to keep the # there because it might hurt sales on the RSX.
BTW people get over it, there are cars out there that are shity but still faster than the 8, we don't own the fastest car on the planet, but we own the most unique one though!!!!
BTW people get over it, there are cars out there that are shity but still faster than the 8, we don't own the fastest car on the planet, but we own the most unique one though!!!!
The new system they have to advertise what the dyno showed while the SAE witness was there. The Si dropped from 200hp to 197hp and the RSX-S went from 210hp to 201hp. You must now advertise what it made no matter what.
the tests are also now witnessed, they are run with all accesories, they have full exhaust systems, they can not be using fans to draw a vacuum on the exhaust, or using all the other devilish things various manufacturers were coming up with to win the horsepower war.
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Originally Posted by r0tor
The SRT4 original rating was before the new SAE system was adopted - so they could advertise any amount they wanted as long as it was at least 85% of the actual rating.
The new system they have to advertise what the dyno showed while the SAE witness was there. The Si dropped from 200hp to 197hp and the RSX-S went from 210hp to 201hp. You must now advertise what it made no matter what.
the tests are also now witnessed, they are run with all accesories, they have full exhaust systems, they can not be using fans to draw a vacuum on the exhaust, or using all the other devilish things various manufacturers were coming up with to win the horsepower war.
The new system they have to advertise what the dyno showed while the SAE witness was there. The Si dropped from 200hp to 197hp and the RSX-S went from 210hp to 201hp. You must now advertise what it made no matter what.
the tests are also now witnessed, they are run with all accesories, they have full exhaust systems, they can not be using fans to draw a vacuum on the exhaust, or using all the other devilish things various manufacturers were coming up with to win the horsepower war.
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