My god.... they BETTER detune this!
12-01-2004, 12:51 PM
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Mazda just annouced the Mazdaspeed 3 is FWD 
with a de-tuned version of the 6 MPS engine.
with a de-tuned version of the 6 MPS engine. source crossbow? i thought i had seen something about that too but now all i can find is the Mazda3 2005 special edition info which i posted in this thread.
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Originally Posted by crossbow
And updated curb weight of 3630 lbs. I don't think you rx8 guys have anything to fear competition wise from this car.
OUCH...... 3630?! That's near the weight of an audi RS6?!
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I hope mazda will produce a supercharger rx-8 in a near future. because new rx-7 suppose come out at 07.. so..!! rx-8 will lost its flag at 07..!! so sad..!!
I hope mazda will produce a supercharger rx-8 in a near future. because new rx-7 suppose come out at 07.. so..!! rx-8 will lost its flag at 07..!! so sad..!!
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Originally Posted by crossbow
And updated curb weight of 3630 lbs. I don't think you rx8 guys have anything to fear competition wise from this car.
Nor any other current AWD turbo car on the planet... yikes! That's just sad, booo on you Mazda, I was excited about the MS6 but now it's back to Evo or STi for my next car most likely.
12-17-2004, 06:52 AM
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Whoops I just noticed zoom44 posted the other article. Here's the one I'm talking about. Btw the spec sheet says 3589 lbs...so I'm assuming the 3630 from the article is the "as tested" weight.
Here it is in all its glory, straight from autoweek. I've used my personal bias to bold the nasty sections.
15-Dec-2004 00:31 EST:
COVER STORY
http://autoweek.com/images/articles/101394 (click to see image, with caption below)
Among the enhancements to the MazdaSpeed 6: more aggresive fascias, sport seats and a cool new turbocharged direct-injection engine.
Deep Six: Mazda6 gets the MazdaSpeed treatment, and all the goodies that go with it
NATALIE NEFF
Published Date: 12/20/04
2426-1520-2517-0118
PHOTOS: MAZDASPEED 6 PHOTO GALLERY
http://www.autoweek.com/files/specia...ages/index.htm
2006 MAZDASPEED 6 ON SALE: Summer
BASE PRICE: $29,000 (est.)
POWERTRAIN: 2.3-liter, 274-hp, 280-lb-ft turbocharged I4; awd, six-speed manual
CURB WEIGHT: 3630 pounds (est.)
0 TO 62 MPH: 6.6 seconds (mfr.)
Two years ago we let you in on a secret. We told you about a splendid little automobile that could not only fulfill familial obligations as well as any ol’ Toyota Camry, but it would slake an enthusiast thirst nearly as well as the standard-bearer BMW 3 Series, and for just about half the price.
Sounded like big talk at the time, we know, but you listened. And then you blabbed. To date you’ve helped convince about 135,000 to take the plunge on a Mazda6.
Well, lean in close, here’s another secret: Next summer Mazda will roll out the MazdaSpeed 6.
Penned with the enthusiast foremost in mind, the newest 6 arguably looks more its part than any MazdaSpeed-specified car in the stable. Its chunky, purposeful design remains largely true to the MPS concept car from the 2002 Paris show that foretold its coming, trading in only its five-door hatchback shape for that of a stiffer-bodied four-door sedan. A supersized lower air dam dips down deep in front, gulping up volumes more air than the base-model 6, beefed-up side sills wrap around the body and its five-point grille gets accentuated by a thick crossbar. Restyled taillights highlight the rear, with new twin exhaust pipes poking out below. The biggest change inside is the addition of nicely bolstered bucket seats. It’s a sleek design punctuated by forceful elements that speak to its sporting bent.
It’s a far cry from the likes of the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution or the Subaru Impreza WRX STi, and purposefully so. Mazda said it never considered a hood scoop or “the boy-racer look,” instead concentrating more on using richer materials and finishes to elevate the look of the car over its stock brethren. In fact, Mazda has its sights squared more on the Subaru Legacy GT as its primary competition, a 250-horse sport sedan styled in a similar manner: sleek and sporty. Whatever the philosophy behind the design, we think the MazdaSpeed 6 looks darn good.
And that ain’t even the half of it. Its conspicuously bulging hood doesn’t just hint at the goodies that lie beneath, it practically screams. And why not? Mazda took the base model’s four-banger, strapped it to a six-speed manual, slapped on a turbo*charger and intercooler and shuttled power through the whole shebang to all four wheels. Ergo, MazdaSpeed.
Actually, the MazdaSpeed’s engine is a mostly new unit, based on the 2.3-liter four found in base 6s but equipped with steel connecting rods and crankshaft and direct gasoline injection. By injecting fuel directly into the cylinder, the atomization of the spray allows for a sort of cooling effect to occur, resulting in a denser charge and a 9.5:1 compression ratio, or much higher than is typical in turbocharged engines.
Combine that high compression with 15.6 psi of turbocharger boost and you get a whopping 274 hp and 280 lb-ft of torque—a full 54 more horsepower than in a standard 6, with 88 more lb-ft of torque. Better still, that torque band sits virtually flat between 2000 and 6000 rpm, making for easy access to power just about anywhere in the rev range, particularly in combination with its all-new wide-ratio six-speed manual.
That sounds like plenty of grunt to challenge the likes of the mighty Lancer Evo, with its 271 horses and 273 lb-ft of turbo*charged four-cylinder power; the MazdaSpeed, however, falls a bit short on performance. Mazda claims its car will pull a 6.6-second 0-to-62-mph time, putting it more than a second off the Evo’s best—just 5.19 seconds (AW, Sept. 1, 2003). You can blame a hefty curb weight for much of that discrepancy. The MazdaSpeed 6 tips the scales at roughly 3630 pounds, almost 340 pounds heavier than the Mitsu and closer to 400 pounds more than a base-model 6. [6s MTX = 3240 lbs]
Like the Evo, Mazda also equipped the MazdaSpeed 6 with a no-nonsense all-wheel-drive system to aid in laying down all that power. Depending on the car’s steering angle, yaw rate and lateral acceleration, and data gathered from the wheel-speed sensors and ABS control module, the hydraulic-type center differential can transfer up to 50 percent of the power rearward.
During our brief on-track time, we found the MazdaSpeed 6 incredibly easy to drive, and overall very satisfying. It tends to understeer on entry at every turn when pushed hard, requiring a serious amount of steering input to get the nose pointed toward the desired direction of travel, but the steering itself gives plenty of feedback and has a solid, weighty feel. After the initial turn-in you can feel the awd kick in, which allows for some rotation of the rear end, and from there the front end can in large part be directed by the throttle. The ride isn’t overly harsh; in fact, we found it to be surprisingly comfortable without being soft. It is difficult to power out of the turns at times, especially on damp asphalt, and the stability control tends to cut in a little too eagerly for our tastes. On dry pavement, however, the car easily charges out of turns, whether the DSC is activated or not. Overall, the 6 is tremendously forgiving of every gaffe, small and not so small, though we’d prefer perhaps a little less understeer.
Prices for the MazdaSpeed 6 haven’t been announced and probably won’t be until much closer to its on-sale date sometime next summer, but we’re guessing it will start at less than $30,000. And as the car only comes in one specification—awd, six-speed manual, sedan—prices shouldn’t climb much from there.
As for getting your hands on one, Mazda probably won’t make more than 5000 or so available, so if you’re in the market for upgrading your Mazda 6, you might want to keep this secret to yourself.
Here it is in all its glory, straight from autoweek. I've used my personal bias to bold the nasty sections.
15-Dec-2004 00:31 EST:
COVER STORY
http://autoweek.com/images/articles/101394 (click to see image, with caption below)
Among the enhancements to the MazdaSpeed 6: more aggresive fascias, sport seats and a cool new turbocharged direct-injection engine.
Deep Six: Mazda6 gets the MazdaSpeed treatment, and all the goodies that go with it
NATALIE NEFF
Published Date: 12/20/04
2426-1520-2517-0118
PHOTOS: MAZDASPEED 6 PHOTO GALLERY
http://www.autoweek.com/files/specia...ages/index.htm
2006 MAZDASPEED 6 ON SALE: Summer
BASE PRICE: $29,000 (est.)
POWERTRAIN: 2.3-liter, 274-hp, 280-lb-ft turbocharged I4; awd, six-speed manual
CURB WEIGHT: 3630 pounds (est.)
0 TO 62 MPH: 6.6 seconds (mfr.)
Two years ago we let you in on a secret. We told you about a splendid little automobile that could not only fulfill familial obligations as well as any ol’ Toyota Camry, but it would slake an enthusiast thirst nearly as well as the standard-bearer BMW 3 Series, and for just about half the price.
Sounded like big talk at the time, we know, but you listened. And then you blabbed. To date you’ve helped convince about 135,000 to take the plunge on a Mazda6.
Well, lean in close, here’s another secret: Next summer Mazda will roll out the MazdaSpeed 6.
Penned with the enthusiast foremost in mind, the newest 6 arguably looks more its part than any MazdaSpeed-specified car in the stable. Its chunky, purposeful design remains largely true to the MPS concept car from the 2002 Paris show that foretold its coming, trading in only its five-door hatchback shape for that of a stiffer-bodied four-door sedan. A supersized lower air dam dips down deep in front, gulping up volumes more air than the base-model 6, beefed-up side sills wrap around the body and its five-point grille gets accentuated by a thick crossbar. Restyled taillights highlight the rear, with new twin exhaust pipes poking out below. The biggest change inside is the addition of nicely bolstered bucket seats. It’s a sleek design punctuated by forceful elements that speak to its sporting bent.
It’s a far cry from the likes of the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution or the Subaru Impreza WRX STi, and purposefully so. Mazda said it never considered a hood scoop or “the boy-racer look,” instead concentrating more on using richer materials and finishes to elevate the look of the car over its stock brethren. In fact, Mazda has its sights squared more on the Subaru Legacy GT as its primary competition, a 250-horse sport sedan styled in a similar manner: sleek and sporty. Whatever the philosophy behind the design, we think the MazdaSpeed 6 looks darn good.
And that ain’t even the half of it. Its conspicuously bulging hood doesn’t just hint at the goodies that lie beneath, it practically screams. And why not? Mazda took the base model’s four-banger, strapped it to a six-speed manual, slapped on a turbo*charger and intercooler and shuttled power through the whole shebang to all four wheels. Ergo, MazdaSpeed.
Actually, the MazdaSpeed’s engine is a mostly new unit, based on the 2.3-liter four found in base 6s but equipped with steel connecting rods and crankshaft and direct gasoline injection. By injecting fuel directly into the cylinder, the atomization of the spray allows for a sort of cooling effect to occur, resulting in a denser charge and a 9.5:1 compression ratio, or much higher than is typical in turbocharged engines.
Combine that high compression with 15.6 psi of turbocharger boost and you get a whopping 274 hp and 280 lb-ft of torque—a full 54 more horsepower than in a standard 6, with 88 more lb-ft of torque. Better still, that torque band sits virtually flat between 2000 and 6000 rpm, making for easy access to power just about anywhere in the rev range, particularly in combination with its all-new wide-ratio six-speed manual.
That sounds like plenty of grunt to challenge the likes of the mighty Lancer Evo, with its 271 horses and 273 lb-ft of turbo*charged four-cylinder power; the MazdaSpeed, however, falls a bit short on performance. Mazda claims its car will pull a 6.6-second 0-to-62-mph time, putting it more than a second off the Evo’s best—just 5.19 seconds (AW, Sept. 1, 2003). You can blame a hefty curb weight for much of that discrepancy. The MazdaSpeed 6 tips the scales at roughly 3630 pounds, almost 340 pounds heavier than the Mitsu and closer to 400 pounds more than a base-model 6. [6s MTX = 3240 lbs]
Like the Evo, Mazda also equipped the MazdaSpeed 6 with a no-nonsense all-wheel-drive system to aid in laying down all that power. Depending on the car’s steering angle, yaw rate and lateral acceleration, and data gathered from the wheel-speed sensors and ABS control module, the hydraulic-type center differential can transfer up to 50 percent of the power rearward.
During our brief on-track time, we found the MazdaSpeed 6 incredibly easy to drive, and overall very satisfying. It tends to understeer on entry at every turn when pushed hard, requiring a serious amount of steering input to get the nose pointed toward the desired direction of travel, but the steering itself gives plenty of feedback and has a solid, weighty feel. After the initial turn-in you can feel the awd kick in, which allows for some rotation of the rear end, and from there the front end can in large part be directed by the throttle. The ride isn’t overly harsh; in fact, we found it to be surprisingly comfortable without being soft. It is difficult to power out of the turns at times, especially on damp asphalt, and the stability control tends to cut in a little too eagerly for our tastes. On dry pavement, however, the car easily charges out of turns, whether the DSC is activated or not. Overall, the 6 is tremendously forgiving of every gaffe, small and not so small, though we’d prefer perhaps a little less understeer.
Prices for the MazdaSpeed 6 haven’t been announced and probably won’t be until much closer to its on-sale date sometime next summer, but we’re guessing it will start at less than $30,000. And as the car only comes in one specification—awd, six-speed manual, sedan—prices shouldn’t climb much from there.
As for getting your hands on one, Mazda probably won’t make more than 5000 or so available, so if you’re in the market for upgrading your Mazda 6, you might want to keep this secret to yourself.
12-17-2004, 07:48 AM
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We should all be happy that Mazda has the guts to make a Mazdaspeed 6. We should all rejoice and be happy about this, not matter if it will be faster than the RX8. I think there should be an "EXTRA" fast version of almost all cars made...for people like you and me...
Just think what the Mazdaspeed RX8 will be like....I'll bet it will be signifiantly faster!
PS. I just hope we will be able (when and if I get the RX8) to update 04-05 RX8's with the Mazda speed Turbo/SC/etc kit
Just think what the Mazdaspeed RX8 will be like....I'll bet it will be signifiantly faster!
PS. I just hope we will be able (when and if I get the RX8) to update 04-05 RX8's with the Mazda speed Turbo/SC/etc kit
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honestly a 6.6 out of a NEW 2.3 liter turbo motor seems rather sluggish, though im a bit biased towards the older models as i run a 92 mx6. the 2.2 turbo of 13 years age consistenly runs to 60 in 7.1, without AWD and on a bone stock from the factory 150k+ motor.
Though the MS8 should be the answer to most of my dreams when it comes out, if i dont break down and by and MS MX5 first.
as for FWD not handling, im rather proud of my .92 skidpad... in a base model no less....only slightly modified :D
Though the MS8 should be the answer to most of my dreams when it comes out, if i dont break down and by and MS MX5 first.
as for FWD not handling, im rather proud of my .92 skidpad... in a base model no less....only slightly modified :D
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Even at 3600lbs, 6.6 0-60 seems a bit slow for a car with AWD, 6MT and 280ft-lbs on a supposedly flat torque curve. Either they want to impress us by doing much better than the estimates when the production car is tested, or they don't want to hurt RX-8 sales in the meantime.
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300 hp is not that competitive. Mazda needs to shoot for M3 power (330hp and up) to make the 8 really competitive. The supercharged version that everyone talks about is only as fast as a Z car. Mazda needs to make the stock 8 as fast. The Mazdaspeed RX8 should be in the 350 range. I'd even take awd if it had say 350 hp. The new M5 has 500hp, the vette 400, crossfire has 330, even the Mustang GT has 300 or more hp. Come on, how does Mazda hope to compete with such weak gains. There 25% increase in Mazdaspeed versions philosophy isn't going to cut it in todays world of high performance econoboxes like the WRX, Lancer, Neon etc. I mean 275 hp just brings the 8 up on par with a base TL and even lower than a base Z, G35. Lower weight isn't an excuse cause for sure the Mazdaspeed 8 is going to weigh more. Mazda needs to enlarge the engine to say 1.5 liters to give the stock 8 about 270 hp, then turbo/supercharge it to mid 300s, minimum! Do this and you will get respect. IMHO, any Mazdaspeed 8 with less than 310hp isn't worth it.
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Oh god--you missed the point--the FD has 255HP and goes 0-60 in 4.9 seconds (R1/R2) and tops out at 168mph. The light weight is where this car excels; besides the upcoming RX7 (if it sees production) is the one that needs the so called M3 level power you speak of. Keep in mind what price point we are here--the RX8 is a $26K-$33K car not a $50,000 M3. A 300HP RX8 will already have low 0-60mph numbers--it will be closer in acceleration to Mustang GTs (05). Horsepower is only half of the story here--'275HP brings it up to a TL'--so what? By this illlogic the Z, TL, RX8, G35, M3 are all not up to Escalade standards with its 345HP. There are so many errors in your post to even begin to address--get real.
03-06-2005, 07:46 AM
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Remember the MS Rx8 (if there is one) will certainly have to be the performance king (straight line and in the corners). The higher the MS6 raises the bar the better.
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There are thousands of Miata's out there with 270hp+
And I agree that in the wrong hands they are not safe but thats not why we build them.
And I agree that in the wrong hands they are not safe but thats not why we build them.
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03-06-2005, 08:31 AM
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There are thousands of Miata's out there with 270hp+
And I agree that is the wrong hands they are not safe but thats not why we build them.
And I agree that is the wrong hands they are not safe but thats not why we build them.
03-07-2005, 05:58 PM
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Did you guys see this?
http://sportcompactcarweb.com/roadtests/0503scc_mazda6/
http://sportcompactcarweb.com/roadtests/0503scc_mazda6/
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Originally Posted by TALAN7
300 hp is not that competitive. Mazda needs to shoot for M3 power (330hp and up) to make the 8 really competitive. The supercharged version that everyone talks about is only as fast as a Z car. Mazda needs to make the stock 8 as fast. The Mazdaspeed RX8 should be in the 350 range. I'd even take awd if it had say 350 hp. The new M5 has 500hp, the vette 400, crossfire has 330, even the Mustang GT has 300 or more hp. Come on, how does Mazda hope to compete with such weak gains. There 25% increase in Mazdaspeed versions philosophy isn't going to cut it in todays world of high performance econoboxes like the WRX, Lancer, Neon etc. I mean 275 hp just brings the 8 up on par with a base TL and even lower than a base Z, G35. Lower weight isn't an excuse cause for sure the Mazdaspeed 8 is going to weigh more. Mazda needs to enlarge the engine to say 1.5 liters to give the stock 8 about 270 hp, then turbo/supercharge it to mid 300s, minimum! Do this and you will get respect. IMHO, any Mazdaspeed 8 with less than 310hp isn't worth it.