Mazdaspeed 3 is going to have 260hp.....WTF??
04-17-2006, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by crossbow
267 bhp and 280 ft/lbs, with ecu limiting boost in 1st to provide a max of 230 bhp. The MPS 3 will run 13's all day long.
04-17-2006, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
If it's anything like the MSP or MS6 the ECU will be limiting boost in a lot of gears
04-17-2006, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sti_eric
Yes but you have to consider the fact that the Caliber will sit like 6-8 inches higher than the GTI and have a wheelbase 2-3 inches longer. This will have a huge effect on handling.
The only place FWD "does a lot of damage" is from a dead stop. Once moving, FWD has a lot less drivetrain power loss than a RWD or AWD car. As far as weight, the Mazda3s weighs 2762 lbs, or almost 300 lbs less than an RX-8 (and 800 lbs less than you're quoted G35). From a roll, a Mazdaspeed3 will probably beat an RX-8 pretty handily. From a stop, who knows.
The only place FWD "does a lot of damage" is from a dead stop. Once moving, FWD has a lot less drivetrain power loss than a RWD or AWD car. As far as weight, the Mazda3s weighs 2762 lbs, or almost 300 lbs less than an RX-8 (and 800 lbs less than you're quoted G35). From a roll, a Mazdaspeed3 will probably beat an RX-8 pretty handily. From a stop, who knows.
04-17-2006, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
The G35 didn't run dead even with the RX-8, it was a good bit faster even though it was heavier (14.1 @99mph IIRC from the Rotary Revival article). If the HP numbers aren't way overrated the MS3 will easily be faster than the RX-8, high 13s aren't out of the question.
You're right, it didn't run dead even with the G35....The 8 beat it!!!
04-17-2006, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cleoent
Why?
160hp 3 vs 260hp 3 (actually 244hp is what i've heard) = nothing to be ashamed of.
160hp 3 vs 260hp 3 (actually 244hp is what i've heard) = nothing to be ashamed of.
Why?
Because hp isn't everything.
Why?
Because I have a stock 8 with 183 hp not 160. Some have more.
Why?
Because your comparing a sports car with a station wagon.
If I wanted a high hp station wagon I'd have one of those ugly Dodge hursts with a frickin 8 cylinder Hemi.
04-17-2006, 05:54 PM
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Why?
Because hp isn't everything.
Why?
Because I have a stock 8 with 183 hp not 160. Some have more.
Why?
Because your comparing a sports car with a station wagon.
If I wanted a high hp station wagon I'd have one of those ugly Dodge hursts with a frickin 8 cylinder Hemi.
Because hp isn't everything.
Why?
Because I have a stock 8 with 183 hp not 160. Some have more.
Why?
Because your comparing a sports car with a station wagon.
If I wanted a high hp station wagon I'd have one of those ugly Dodge hursts with a frickin 8 cylinder Hemi.
Read my post dude, i clearly state i'm going to trade my 3 (which is a 5dr) for a ms3 (5dr), there is no mention of an 8 anywhere...
Put down the crack pipe.
edit: you probably feel really silly right about now huh ?
04-17-2006, 06:02 PM
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My bad. But chill on the crack pipe bit or I'll have one installed in your ***.
ease off the crack yo.
04-17-2006, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingLeggs
You're right, it didn't run dead even with the G35....The 8 beat it!!!
04-17-2006, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingLeggs
You're right, it didn't run dead even with the G35....The 8 beat it!!!
14.6 at 98.6 vs 14.5 at 95.6 tells me the driver would've won that race. The fact is, the G35 is capable of significantly better times than 14.6 while the 8 is not.
And ease off the internet tough guy bit. Though humorous, it takes up storage space.
04-17-2006, 06:15 PM
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Just prooving my point bro. Hp is not everything. And I'm definitely surprised that everyone is getting so excited about a freakin station wagon. There are pick up trucks and suv's that are faster than the 9 also. Who cares.
Bottom line: on a drag strip with a good driver, the MS3 will probably be faster. I'll admit it. I didn't know that the station wagon would weigh in that low. But I don't drive around on drag strips too often and I bought the 8 too be able to do more than drive in a straight line.
You guys can have your station wagon. If I wanted a 1/4 monster wrapped up in an ugly box I would have bought an STI or an EVO!!!
BTW Therm8. It was the same driver and my point remains the same hp isn't everything, and for you station wagon lovers, it's a good thing looks aren't either.
Bottom line: on a drag strip with a good driver, the MS3 will probably be faster. I'll admit it. I didn't know that the station wagon would weigh in that low. But I don't drive around on drag strips too often and I bought the 8 too be able to do more than drive in a straight line.
You guys can have your station wagon. If I wanted a 1/4 monster wrapped up in an ugly box I would have bought an STI or an EVO!!!
BTW Therm8. It was the same driver and my point remains the same hp isn't everything, and for you station wagon lovers, it's a good thing looks aren't either.
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04-17-2006, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Raptor2k
Whao, someone's overreacting
Couldn't agree more. haha Yeah I know you're talking about me, but dang. A bunch of guys praising a box with a "big engine". Blasphemy on this forum!!
04-17-2006, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingLeggs
You're right, it didn't run dead even with the G35....The 8 beat it!!!
. Off the roll on the streets though, i easily pull on RX8s during traffic manuvers, they are relatively a lot slower off the roll, i have more problem with V6 Altimas and Accords than pulling on RX8s off the roll. Its funny when I was just driving at normal speed couple of weeks ago on I495 in VA on my way to happy hour, An rx8 was weaving and speeding through traffic at 90mhp+ like he owns the road, then when he got right behind me, he slowed down and was scared to zoom past me. I was lmao because I have no intention of racing people. Then he proceeded to SLOWLY pass me within the flow of the traffic, I was just looking at him the whole time and smiling, then gave him a thumbs up. lol.
It also cracks me up when I was just trying to pass this Sti at normal traffic speed on another day, i guess he took it the wrong way lol, and proceeded to give me the WOT treatment with the loud aftermarket exhaust and BOV lol, went up to at least 100mph on a 45mph speed limit and disappeared in seconds. at least i didnt get the blinkers
but youre right, accleration is just 1 aspect of performance and its not everything. we dont need to live and die by the 1/4 mile slips, but its still important at the same time.
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04-17-2006, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by playdoh43
fastest time slip ive seen on g35driver.com for a stock car is a 13.7something with a stock 05 298hp g35 coupe 6mt. i havnt paid attention to what the fastest track time for stock rx8 on this site, but im guessing its somewhere in the mid 14s and require a really difficult high rpm launch. I suck at shifting and I got a 14.3 the first time I went to the track last year when i was still stock, well the rest of the night I was in the 15s because i suck at launching, i always ended up spinning my wheels . Off the roll on the streets though, i easily pull on RX8s during traffic manuvers, they are relatively a lot slower off the roll, i have more problem with V6 Altimas and Accords than pulling on RX8s off the roll.
Its funny when I was just driving at normal speed couple of weeks ago on I495 in VA on my way to happy hour, An rx8 was weaving and speeding through traffic at 90mhp+ like he owns the road, then when he got right behind me, he slowed down and was scared to zoom past me. I was lmao because I have no intention of racing people. Then he proceeded to SLOWLY pass me within the flow of the traffic, I was just looking at him the whole time and smiling, then gave him a thumbs up. lol.
It also cracks me up when I was just trying to pass this Sti at normal traffic speed on another day, i guess he took it the wrong way lol, and proceeded to give me the WOT treatment with the loud aftermarket exhaust and BOV lol, went up to at least 100mph on a 45mph speed limit and disappeared in seconds. at least i didnt get the blinkers
but youre right, accleration is just 1 aspect of performance and its not everything. we dont need to live and die by the 1/4 mile slips, but its still important at the same time.
. Off the roll on the streets though, i easily pull on RX8s during traffic manuvers, they are relatively a lot slower off the roll, i have more problem with V6 Altimas and Accords than pulling on RX8s off the roll. Its funny when I was just driving at normal speed couple of weeks ago on I495 in VA on my way to happy hour, An rx8 was weaving and speeding through traffic at 90mhp+ like he owns the road, then when he got right behind me, he slowed down and was scared to zoom past me. I was lmao because I have no intention of racing people. Then he proceeded to SLOWLY pass me within the flow of the traffic, I was just looking at him the whole time and smiling, then gave him a thumbs up. lol.
It also cracks me up when I was just trying to pass this Sti at normal traffic speed on another day, i guess he took it the wrong way lol, and proceeded to give me the WOT treatment with the loud aftermarket exhaust and BOV lol, went up to at least 100mph on a 45mph speed limit and disappeared in seconds. at least i didnt get the blinkers
but youre right, accleration is just 1 aspect of performance and its not everything. we dont need to live and die by the 1/4 mile slips, but its still important at the same time.
04-17-2006, 10:33 PM
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im aware thats why i specified 2005 298hp 6mt, however 280hp G35 isnt any slower, they have less hp but they are lighter and have more torque... theyve ran 13.9 stock.
not that it really matters that much, anything can beat anything... i wouldnt be suprised if MPS3 will be pull faster times than the G35. Hell cars are supposed to get faster and faster, the new WRX with the 2.5L engine is just down right scary. toyota camry, altima, and g35 are all recieving healthy power boosts next year. its time they do something for the regular rx8, not just mps8
not that it really matters that much, anything can beat anything... i wouldnt be suprised if MPS3 will be pull faster times than the G35. Hell cars are supposed to get faster and faster, the new WRX with the 2.5L engine is just down right scary. toyota camry, altima, and g35 are all recieving healthy power boosts next year. its time they do something for the regular rx8, not just mps8
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04-17-2006, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingLeggs
Couldn't agree more. haha Yeah I know you're talking about me, but dang. A bunch of guys praising a box with a "big engine". Blasphemy on this forum!!
We are car guys.
04-17-2006, 11:29 PM
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We had the whole MS3 debate in the Aussie forum a couple of months ago, started by yours truly.
https://www.rx8club.com/australia-new-zealand-forum-37/left-behind-83268/
You'll see I baited the hook heavily to get some people pissed off and posting.
NB: the MS3 will be known as the 3 MPS in Aus, just like the MS6 is called a 6 MPS.
https://www.rx8club.com/australia-new-zealand-forum-37/left-behind-83268/
You'll see I baited the hook heavily to get some people pissed off and posting.
NB: the MS3 will be known as the 3 MPS in Aus, just like the MS6 is called a 6 MPS.
04-18-2006, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingLeggs
But I don't drive around on drag strips too often
Originally Posted by FlyingLeggs
If I wanted a 1/4 monster wrapped up in an ugly box I would have bought an STI or an EVO!!!
Nobody buys an STi or Evo to be a "1/4 monster". That's not what they are built for. They are extremely fast cars that handle very well and are most at home on a track, whether it be a road or rally course. They are decent at a drag strip. They just do everything well, unlike an RX-8.
Originally Posted by FlyingLeggs
A bunch of guys praising a box with a "big engine".
