RazzyBRX-8

Well...I think what he was trying to say was

Mazda is like this "We make the only rotary engine! Yay for us!" Having a non-piston engine is a little bit out there, don't you think?

When they first came out I hated them before I actually looked at them
because i was like a 1.3??!!? my mx-3 (1.6)has more litres than that!
(not paying attention to Rotors.)
I have now seen the error of my ways thinking my old mx-3 could have taken it.
I've never been so WRONG in my life.

RazzyBRX-8

I was told by a service guy that it was rumored that..don don don...

2008 MS RX-8

I think he said it was like a toss up between the 3 and 8 this year was the big mazda rumor.

If there will be a MS 8 I think I know what i'll be trading my 8 in for

Renesis_8

This forum will explode on the day they announce the MS8. (if that ever happens)
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Japan8

So does the new VW GTI and the tests of it all say it handles quite well.

Tirminyl

I don't think its the expensive, just the car that makes you the money. Your bread and butter. I beleive it is the 6 in general.

max5roadster

Flagship-"performance leader" displaying all your best techinacal can-do stuff.
Halo- Money maker that keeps your company in the black.

Not sure what an MS8 would do for us at the moment... Just makes me ask, "Well, why the hell didn't you just make it with 300hp in the first place?" But then again, if I cared that much I would not have bought it in the first place. This car has such unique dynamics that I feel just can't be matched by shoving a 260hp motor in any fwd car.

rx8wannahave

I love my 8, but that does not mean I like Mazda ignoring it (or what appears they are) and making other cars that are not true sports cars faster than the RX8.

Even if it's FWD...with 260HP it should be faster than the RX8.

I don't think not liking the idea of a 2 cars (sadan and a freaken wagon people...lol) faster than the RX8 means you have to sell your 8. Let's be honest people, your "sports car" should be your fastest car...not your wagon.

I hope I'm wrong about Mazda and they blow our socks off with something great for the 8.

rx8wannahave

Oh, last thing...it's not that I don't agree with the MS6 or 3, just that I HIGHLY agree with a MS8 which right now is nothing but fantasy.

Honestly, I hope they don't need a MS8 and simply give us a faster 8. Like that, when my 8 is paid for I could get another one...lol.

FlyingLeggs

[QUOTE=rx8wannahave]Even if it's FWD...with 260HP it should be faster than the RX8.




I don't understand why everyone keeps saying that the ms3 will be faster than the 8. FWD does a lot of damage. Weight does also. Not to mention suspension set up, possibly narrower tires, higher center of gravity, possibly a different or "worse" gearbox or longer- throw stick=possibly slower shifting. Little things here and there add up to make a noticeable difference. Don't forget that the first year the 280hp, rear wheel drive six cylinder that Nissan put in the G35 ran dead even with ours. And we're talking about a FWD 260 hp car.

Don't put our future kid brother on a pedastal yet boys.

sti_eric

Yes but you have to consider the fact that the Caliber will sit like 6-8 inches higher than the GTI and have a wheelbase 2-3 inches longer. This will have a huge effect on handling.

The only place FWD "does a lot of damage" is from a dead stop. Once moving, FWD has a lot less drivetrain power loss than a RWD or AWD car. As far as weight, the Mazda3s weighs 2762 lbs, or almost 300 lbs less than an RX-8 (and 800 lbs less than you're quoted G35). From a roll, a Mazdaspeed3 will probably beat an RX-8 pretty handily. From a stop, who knows.

therm8

Hell, at that curb weight, the 3 will be mixing it up from a roll with stock Evo 8's...(disclaimer: assuming Mazda can get the engine right, this time around)

Japan8

Good point... I did forget that the Caliber (even SRT-4) will be riding higer than the GTI (the USDM model rides higher than the Euro model though...).

I agree... if Mazda keeps the weight close to normal, the MS3 will be handing quite a few cars their ***. If Mazda can keep the fully loaded price below that of the GTI, they will have one hell of a deal on their hands.

The GTI does the advantage of a huge aftermarket (at least 2 or 3 flash tuner companies already) and the underrated engine is easily tuned to MS3 levels. Who knows if the aftermarket will ever take to the MS6/MS3 and come out with more than just a cat-back and maybe an intake...

Ike

[QUOTE=FlyingLeggs]The G35 didn't run dead even with the RX-8, it was a good bit faster even though it was heavier (14.1 @99mph IIRC from the Rotary Revival article). If the HP numbers aren't way overrated the MS3 will easily be faster than the RX-8, high 13s aren't out of the question.

crossbow

Due to poor sales and lack of demand, the MS6 is just a single year Mazdaspeed. (Unlike the MSM and MSP). So if you want a mazdaspeed 6, just wait till the MS3 is out, and the mps6's will probably have heavy incentives available. Heck some dealers are already offering 1500 USD off the sport, and 2500 USD off the GT versions.

I'm really excited about the MS3 myself, as more then one tuning shop is purchasing one for development. Even the local CP-E guys are dying to get their hands on one to start producing parts as quickly as possible!

Btw its 267 bhp and 280 ft/lbs (MPS 3) with boost limiting maximum power in 1st gear to 230 bhp.

mysql101

haha. Are you serious?

The very same sales man who sold me my RX-8 (I walked in, told them which one I wanted and bought on the spot), told me that I couldn't even test drive the MS6 unless I was dead serious - and signed some financing papers first.

I had even brought my boss with me for the test drive - he was also interested. We ended up walking out empty handed.

Renesis_8

I dont know about the poor sales, but yeah its hard to testdrive the MSP6, you have to have like real interest in buying them, each dealer only get a few max, some just 1 or 2, so if you testdrive one of the 2 they have, they'd have to sell it for a lot cheaper afterwards, but if you testdrive it and buy it, they can still charge you the full price.

I really hope this engine would make it to the car as a trim option, coz we'll see this same engine in MS6 and CX-7, but then the 07 mazda6 is going to have a 260hp V6... or an AWD option perhaps?
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Howdy1606

FWD SUCKS that is all i have to say

brillo

glad to hear your still alive man, been wondering where you were

Ike

Some crumby little dealer a few miles from me has 5 of them sitting on the lot. Whoever told you each dealer is only getting a few is blowing smoke up your ***. I was approached when I was looking at them and asked right off if I wanted a testdrive, I didn't have time so I declined. Another dealer that I contacted before they came out called me 3 times after the came in to come take a testdrive (this dealer currently has 8 in stock). This is not a tough car to get a testdrive in from my experiences, they also seem to be sitting on lots in decent quantities. I'd like to testdrive one but I know I won't be buying one so probably won't drive one anytime soon.

Don't believe me, take a look.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/ncal.j...=en&cardist=20

crossbow

mysql101,

There are some dealerships with as many as 12-16 on the lot...none of which are selling. The overall magazine reviews for the car turned out rather poor (at least if you didn't pay attention to the actual ratings used), which I think resulted in many people going for other vehicles. This combined with the power loss issue which is effecting almost 40% of the owners has put alot of people off the car.

(If the car detects a knock of 1 or higher, it overrides the Throttle Position sensor and only allows a max of 33% throttle...so even if you floor the car, you only get 33%. Only way to fix this is to shut the car off and turn it back on again, thus why its called the Microsoft Windows problem)
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/viewtopic.php?t=5012

It doesn't help that many dealers take delivery of the car, and then fill the tank with 87 octane =/. Idiots. So if you happen to test drive an mps 6, and it feels like a really heavy 6i, yell at the dealer, and go test drive one somewhere else.

The car is, (when its working according to spec), quite zippy for its size, and owners have pulled 13.7's with stock rubber @ the track in decent weather conditions.

Mazda has a fix for the power loss issue, but it'll be at least another month or two before the reflash is available.

The biggest failings of the car (IMHO), are just the tuning of the engine (tons of low end, no high end...similar power band to a truck engine, you want to shift prior to 5500 rpm for maximum performance), and the fact that there seems to be an overall failing in cooling for the system. Throwing the car on the dyno shows almost a 33 ft/lb loss in torque, and almost 20 whp, by the 3rd run, from heatsoak related issues.

This also makes it INCREDIBLY EASY for aftermarket companies to show MASSIVE gains from products. All they have to do is run the stock car for a few runs, take the lowest baseline, then let the car sit for 15 minutes, dyno again, and va la, magical 15-20whp gain. So if you own an MPS6...please please please please realize this, and consider purchasing mods based on quality of manufacturer and not just who has the prettiest graph.

The tuning to low end isn't really a disappointment for most, as the primary complaint of the 6 was that it had no lowend whatsoever...well mazda actually listened and now you get all low end, with massive power drops after 5500 rpm. Some argue its a "wastegate actuator problem", while others argue its the K-04 Turbo being used (turbo running out of steam). I just thought it was weird that mazda pushed the redline to 6700...but if you wait to shift at 6700, someone shifting at 5700 is going to cream you. Have you guys seen the torque curve for this thing?



Crazy insano torque at low end. The car sells itself instantly to anyone who never rev'd past 4k in the 6. Pulls like a son of a bitch. You can see what I was talking about the lack of high end. Look how much torque is lost between 5500 and 6500...almost 90 ft/lbs. I personally think its a result of tuning for low end. You can't have both crazy low end and high end unless you're rich and running a VATN, compound system, or sequential.

Renesis_8,

2007 Remake of the 6 has been pushed back to 2008. The 6 is getting a new chassis and body, and the current factories can't handle the new larger size. Mazda is actually embarassed at the delay, because it was annouced over a year ago and they still haven't tooled up to produce it. So if you are looking for the 3.5 V6 6, it won't be till 2008.

rx8wannahave

The MS3 most likely will be significantly lighter than the 8 and of course will have significantly more HP, so yes...it "should" be faster. Remember...they use to say the MS6 was not going to be faster than the 8 because of it's weight...now we know it's significantly faster 14 sec 1/4 mile times.

Again, I don't blame Mazda for making the MS6 and 3, but I do feel like going crazy the more time passes without a significant RX8 update.

Tirminyl

Because you don't know how to drive it.

Ren-8: I think its just your dealer. I have been offered to test drive the MS6 twice so far and I wasn't even looking at the car.

Crossbow- I love tha torque curve.

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crosbow

this is what I have beeng sayng for a long time, just last week we where at the track and 2 mazdaspped6 were pulling 13.7 to 14 1/4 all day long.

silvernite8

If anyone is interested here are two quick pics of the MS3 from the NY auto show
Not a bad looking car, but i hate the spoiler on the rear of hatchback.
and according to one of the Mazda representatives i spoke with the MS3 have over 250 HP which makes it one nice ride

crossbow

267 bhp and 280 ft/lbs, with ecu limiting boost in 1st to provide a max of 230 bhp. The MPS 3 will run 13's all day long.