Mazda 2 might not be renewed
08-29-2012, 12:27 PM
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Regarding the 2; they were years late in bringing it and they brought it with all of it's old technology. Why would you want a sub compact that is less fuel efficient than a compact? 
Build it in Mexico and bring the 1.3 Skyactiv to power it. If we can get 50 plus mpg and new Kodo skin wrapped around an even lighter 2 with updated high end looking interior the market is Mazda's to capture.
Mazda needs to get off the back foot and lead in more segments. Don't throw in the towel
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Paul.
Build it in Mexico and bring the 1.3 Skyactiv to power it. If we can get 50 plus mpg and new Kodo skin wrapped around an even lighter 2 with updated high end looking interior the market is Mazda's to capture.
Mazda needs to get off the back foot and lead in more segments. Don't throw in the towel
.Paul.
08-29-2012, 02:19 PM
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/\ That is precisely what will happen...
The 2 will not be discontinued outside NA...in the USA directly?...I don't know, I doubt it.
Don't understand WHY they are continuing with the OLD, very old, 1.5 in the 2 when they offer the 1.3 SA in Japan's (Demio).
The 2 will not be discontinued outside NA...in the USA directly?...I don't know, I doubt it.
Don't understand WHY they are continuing with the OLD, very old, 1.5 in the 2 when they offer the 1.3 SA in Japan's (Demio).
08-29-2012, 06:41 PM
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I bought one and I love it. With nothing more than R-compound tires and brake pad upgrades, I'm able to narrowly fend off race-prep'ed Miata's...stock suspension and all. I'm pretty sure I couldn't get that kind of performance out of a Fiesta.
Granted, that is a weak selling point to your average customer, but I don't regret my purchase for a moment.
Sad to see the Mazda2 go, but with it only being in the US for 2 years it will make it a somewhat rare car similar to the Speed6 or the MS Protege (minus the whole Mazdaspeed part).
Granted, that is a weak selling point to your average customer, but I don't regret my purchase for a moment.
Sad to see the Mazda2 go, but with it only being in the US for 2 years it will make it a somewhat rare car similar to the Speed6 or the MS Protege (minus the whole Mazdaspeed part).
08-29-2012, 06:47 PM
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Regarding the 2; they were years late in bringing it and they brought it with all of it's old technology. Why would you want a sub compact that is less fuel efficient than a compact?
Build it in Mexico and bring the 1.3 Skyactiv to power it. If we can get 50 plus mpg and new Kodo skin wrapped around an even lighter 2 with updated high end looking interior the market is Mazda's to capture.
Mazda needs to get off the back foot and lead in more segments. Don't throw in the towel.
Paul.
Build it in Mexico and bring the 1.3 Skyactiv to power it. If we can get 50 plus mpg and new Kodo skin wrapped around an even lighter 2 with updated high end looking interior the market is Mazda's to capture.
Mazda needs to get off the back foot and lead in more segments. Don't throw in the towel
.Paul.
08-29-2012, 06:51 PM
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I REALLY was hoping the Skyactive 2 would be available by the time I was buying. 50mpg+ out of the Mazda2 would have been ultra bad *** along with a higher compression motor that would probably make more than the 86whp that I have currently.
The only saving grace might be that the non-sky active version is more friendly to tubrocharging. I'm curious to see the development of aftermarket upgrades for the higher compression skyactive engines.
The only saving grace might be that the non-sky active version is more friendly to tubrocharging. I'm curious to see the development of aftermarket upgrades for the higher compression skyactive engines.
08-29-2012, 07:00 PM
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08-29-2012, 09:57 PM
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/\...Yep, it has been my/our MAJOR bitch about Mazda (particularly in USA) "how" they go about new vehicle launches..
I dunno the guys at the top appear to be 'nice', BUT, nice don't cut it this game.
I dunno the guys at the top appear to be 'nice', BUT, nice don't cut it this game.
08-29-2012, 10:40 PM
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cuz that fat MNAO CEO saids oh man we need bigger cars ... forget about small cars and no MT cuz people here don't want them ...
that's what you THINK
well of course, consider the 2 here is using crazy out of date old school *** stuff ...
and MT ... how do we buy it when you don't sell one ?
Look at CX-5, where is my MT with GT package? oh wait, yeah people don't want it right? Hmm, I guess I'm not human/people ?
they need to kick that fat *** out of the office to see any improvments in MNAO, and I mean it.
that's what you THINK
well of course, consider the 2 here is using crazy out of date old school *** stuff ...
and MT ... how do we buy it when you don't sell one ?
Look at CX-5, where is my MT with GT package? oh wait, yeah people don't want it right? Hmm, I guess I'm not human/people ?
they need to kick that fat *** out of the office to see any improvments in MNAO, and I mean it.
08-30-2012, 11:27 AM
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cuz that fat MNAO CEO saids oh man we need bigger cars ... forget about small cars and no MT cuz people here don't want them ...
that's what you THINK
well of course, consider the 2 here is using crazy out of date old school *** stuff ...
and MT ... how do we buy it when you don't sell one ?
Look at CX-5, where is my MT with GT package? oh wait, yeah people don't want it right? Hmm, I guess I'm not human/people ?
that's what you THINK
well of course, consider the 2 here is using crazy out of date old school *** stuff ...
and MT ... how do we buy it when you don't sell one ?
Look at CX-5, where is my MT with GT package? oh wait, yeah people don't want it right? Hmm, I guess I'm not human/people ?
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08-30-2012, 12:09 PM
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Damn!! I just rented a 2 and loved every second of it. It felt like a FWD Miata! I got a flat and had to switch over to a Sonic and after driving the 2, this thing feels huge and drives big too. It isnt bad and would have been fine if I hadn't driven the 2 first, but I really want my 2 back. The 2 didn't seem under powered and the engine always wanted to rev. I did only get 28mpg from it though but that was alot of launching from redlights for no reason.
I'll be sad to see it go but I hope it comes back with the skyactive and 50+mpg so more people find it on their sub-compact shopping list.
I'll be sad to see it go but I hope it comes back with the skyactive and 50+mpg so more people find it on their sub-compact shopping list.
08-31-2012, 09:35 AM
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I HATE SPEEDBUMPS!
I know, that is why it is a slow selling car to begin with. People still wants big guzzling vehicles, rather than mini cars like the Mazda 2.
Looks like nobody's buying station wagons anymore. Car makers don't make wagons because people rather buy SUV's than a wagon.
08-31-2012, 11:44 AM
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Also, your comments are only largely relevant in the US. In other countries, smaller, fuel efficient cars are WAY more popular. Same applies for wagons. One thing I hate is seeing some of the great wagons that Europe or Asia gets without any hope of making it to the US. Japan has an entire market for kei cars (cars with engines 600 cc or lower) and they are amazingly prominent. While I don't expect that to catch on in the US anytime soon, I think cars like the Mazda 2 definitely have a huge market potential that will grow with time.
08-31-2012, 11:58 AM
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in thhese days i'm reading a lot of rumors here in Italy (economic press) about the possibility of build here in South Italy some Mazda car (Mazda2 ,i suppose) for European Market.
fiat Punto IV (next-gen Punto) it's been freezed for a couple of years. official news.
i'm expetcing some announcement , maybe in the next months
old-gen Mazda2 for EU was built in a Ford factory (Valencia) in the past.
fiat Punto IV (next-gen Punto) it's been freezed for a couple of years. official news.
i'm expetcing some announcement , maybe in the next months
old-gen Mazda2 for EU was built in a Ford factory (Valencia) in the past.
08-31-2012, 01:15 PM
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in thhese days i'm reading a lot of rumors here in Italy (economic press) about the possibility of build here in South Italy some Mazda car (Mazda2 ,i suppose) for European Market.
fiat Punto IV (next-gen Punto) it's been freezed for a couple of years. official news.
i'm expetcing some announcement , maybe in the next months
old-gen Mazda2 for EU was built in a Ford factory (Valencia) in the past.
fiat Punto IV (next-gen Punto) it's been freezed for a couple of years. official news.
i'm expetcing some announcement , maybe in the next months
old-gen Mazda2 for EU was built in a Ford factory (Valencia) in the past.
09-17-2012, 04:58 PM
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Working through Mazda information for work 
(yes, actually), I got to thinking about the statement from Mazda ... a while back. Still in 2012 I think.
The one where they said either 9 or 10 vehicles in the lineup and there was a bunch of speculation. Since then, the CX-5 has been confirmed to replace the Tribute and the CX-7, the 2 might be dropped, and the RX-8 is done.
That leaves only 6 models (Miata, 3, 5, 6, CX-5, and CX-9) as solid, possibly the pickup if they count elsewhere, not listed on MazdaUSA.com. Even if the pickup is included, that still leaves 2 or 3 vehicles unaccounted for, possibly as many as 4?
(yes, actually), I got to thinking about the statement from Mazda ... a while back. Still in 2012 I think.The one where they said either 9 or 10 vehicles in the lineup and there was a bunch of speculation. Since then, the CX-5 has been confirmed to replace the Tribute and the CX-7, the 2 might be dropped, and the RX-8 is done.
That leaves only 6 models (Miata, 3, 5, 6, CX-5, and CX-9) as solid, possibly the pickup if they count elsewhere, not listed on MazdaUSA.com. Even if the pickup is included, that still leaves 2 or 3 vehicles unaccounted for, possibly as many as 4?
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09-17-2012, 06:32 PM
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they have 2 vans, the Biante and the MPV/Mazda8, plus the 2 and a micro car on top of your count. that count of vehicles in the lineup was total and not region specific
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09-17-2012, 06:47 PM
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hmm there IS quite a bit of chatter about Fiat building the Mazda 2 alongside the Punto
Fiat
or perhaps Mazda to use the plants themselves PUNTO 2-Fiat, nuova Cig a Pomigliano, si guarda a ipotesi Mazda | Reuters
also Nuevo Fiat Punto: Aplazado hasta el 2015 | Motor Zoom
nice remarks from Edmunds for the 2 2011 Mazda 2: Best Small Car in the Fleet
Fiat
or perhaps Mazda to use the plants themselves PUNTO 2-Fiat, nuova Cig a Pomigliano, si guarda a ipotesi Mazda | Reuters
EYES ON AGREEMENTS WITH PRODUCERS
The scheme would be that of the Fiat plant in Vychy in Poland, where we can achieve the Ford Ka, according to union sources who report a visit to Pomigliano executives of the Japanese group.
"Engineers of the Mazda came to visit the facility on August 1," said a union source.
"That triggered speculation about the possibility of an agreement, because just before Marchionne spoke of plants in use to other manufacturers," he adds.
Two other union sources confirmed the visit of Mazda also in other plants, without giving further details.
He was the CEO Fiat, Sergio Marchionne, speaking at the beginning of June, the intention to share the facilities.
"Our production network is available to any manufacturer," he said. "We are ready to do whatever it takes to use our stablimenti. I gave this willingness to Mazda, but has not yet been decided which plant could be used."
The scheme would be that of the Fiat plant in Vychy in Poland, where we can achieve the Ford Ka, according to union sources who report a visit to Pomigliano executives of the Japanese group.
"Engineers of the Mazda came to visit the facility on August 1," said a union source.
"That triggered speculation about the possibility of an agreement, because just before Marchionne spoke of plants in use to other manufacturers," he adds.
Two other union sources confirmed the visit of Mazda also in other plants, without giving further details.
He was the CEO Fiat, Sergio Marchionne, speaking at the beginning of June, the intention to share the facilities.
"Our production network is available to any manufacturer," he said. "We are ready to do whatever it takes to use our stablimenti. I gave this willingness to Mazda, but has not yet been decided which plant could be used."
nice remarks from Edmunds for the 2 2011 Mazda 2: Best Small Car in the Fleet