9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

Yeah, My wife is cool driving stick but she would only drive it occasionally since she has her own ozone killer. She does not like driving stick much which is great for me. Evertime she does drive my 8 I sit by the door like I'm waiting for my daughter to come home from prom.

I did look this weekend and I didn't really like the silver or the drak grey so I am looking for a VR . At first I thought it would be dumb to have two VR cars but after seeing a brand new one on the lot I was sold. So I am looking for a used VR with less than 10k on the odometer for around $20k. I will have to chill on the computer and home audio/video buying for a while but it will be worth it. Two cars for around $750.00 a month won't be bad and my 8 will be paid off soon enough.

areitu

A friend of mine has an MS6. he said just putting on an intake made a huge difference. The car also feels like a cruise missle. Tons and tons of torque. I like it a lot, even on CA 91 octane. Grips pretty well too. Drive it and see if you like it.

Stavesacre21

just test drove an MS6 a few days back for the first time...fully loaded, every option, 9K. White/black leather seats (yuck?) They were askin $27K bottom line.

As far as the test drive went, it really did have some "whoosh" for a family sedan. However, I found the turbo lag to be almost excruciating, which came as a huge surprise since I hadn't heard much about lag. It really could get up and go in most any gear from 1-5, and offered a great ride.

Since the dealer was with me, i didn't get all that involved of a test drive as i'd like, but I did notice it to be an entirely differant machine then the 8. The spongy-but-distinct shifter left me with a real love/hate complex. The clutch was almost cumbersome, as it was so loose that letting the clutch out almost seemed to have a threshold point at which it went from no engagment to full engagement in a instant. Yea, pretty odd.

The car in general was a great car, but for $27K, even fully loaded, it was a lot to swallow for a 9K mile car. While i wouldn't expect any speed vehicle to depreciate at the rate the 8 does, i do wonder exactly how quick it'll be dropping.

I will say this though...if the torqueless wonder of a rotary bothers you all that much, the MS6 would be a nice jump. Very quick off the line, easily sits 5 adults, and of course that wonderful turbo. However, in overall driveability and excitement, it wasn't quite up to the level of the 8 IMO. Had it been an even trade on an 8 it'd be a close call, but taken in depriciation and all else said, a $30K+ tag seems a little excessive when comparing the ride you'd be taking a hit on

Ike

Odd that you say that, the RX-8 lags way more in the low end than a MS6 does. Also, 27k is more than a lot of other people are getting the car for brand new. There are people that have gotten sport models for less than 23k and loaded GT models for less than 25k.

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

So could it get up and go or not? First you say the lag is excruciating and then you say it really can get up and go. I have driven the car and lag is almost nonexistant. $27k is $7k less than the prices around here for a GT with only 4k or 5k on the odemeter.

Don't take offense if I completely disregard your review of the MS6.

Stavesacre21

yea, for some odd reason, they talked about this car at the dealership like it was God's gift to them. And you thought $27K was bad...they just marked it down from $29.9K 2 days earlier.

Oh yea...and the lag, that was clearly a statement about TURBO lag. Hardly comparable to the low-rev lag of a rotary engine. The latter is expected, the aforementioned normally isn't.

VikingDJ

I agree. Not being used to turbo cars will naturally make people feel like the car has a lot of lag, but trust me, it doesn't. The lag is actually quite minimal, and the car feels like it packs some serious natural muscle. I can't even here the turbo. They've managed to make this car incredibly quiet for what it is.

As for the price. $27k is way too high. I got my Speed 6 Sport for $23500 back in July, before the car was classified as leftover, and long before the 07s even came out. I did get one hell of a deal for back then, but the deals are better noe. Some have gotten a leftover Sport Speed 6 for $21k, and the GT for $23k. The car is now clasified as used, so when you drive it off the lot, the depreciation is all at once, instead of paced like it was when I got mine.

The car isn't worth paying $27k for now. I mean, you really have to drive one of these, and realize that for even $22k right now, the Sport Speed 6 is so worth it. It quickly makes you forget what the car lacks from an enthusiast standpoint TRUST ME!!!!!!!!! It was so easy to criticize this car when it came out, but with these deals, I see absolutely no justification whatsoever. The car is an absolute STEAL for the prices they are going for now.

9291150

Let's not say turbo lag is akin to the 8's low torque. The 8 has a very linear power curve, a very gradual build of power, whereas most turbos have power off/on characteristics.

Ike

No they don't... Have you ever even driven a turbo car? My car makes a little over 100whp just prior to 3k RPMS and builds to about 200whp prior to 4k RPMs, and builds to around 300whp just before redline at 7k RPMs. I hardly consider gaining 200whp over the course of a 4k rev range an on/off switch. It's not like the turbo kicks in an bam I'm making max power...

VikingDJ

Today's turbo cars are like smooth as silk compared to the old turbo days. My former track car (highly modded 88 Mitsubishi Starion) was the turbo lag king. That car had throttle body injection, and just a torquey 2.6 liter single overhead cam. It relied Solely on the turbo to get it moving. I had a big 16g in it pushing 20psi. That car went from no ***** to HUGE GONADS fast. That car was sickly fast for an old outdated 80s machine, but to call the car laggy would be a HUGE understatement. Even bone stock, it had a large amount of lag. I sure miss that car though.

9291150

^ Ok, you want to be literal, but you wouldn't say a turbo car typically has a pronounced stepped power delivery? Some more than others of course, but single turbo set-ups like your Evo are especially known to have quite a bit of lag stock, even greater if you run more boost.

My last car was a chipped 1.8T, and you sure as hell knew if you were on boost or off. It was a pain to modulate the throttle exiting a corner as the boost came on to not break traction, or not getting that immediate power with just a downshift.

I'm not insulting your car man, I'm just being factual that a turbo needs to spool up with exhaust gasses to gain power resulting in a stepped power delivery, which is far less gradual and linear than a n/a engine.

dmp

Lag? Or do you mean boost-threshold? Generally, one can use the shifter to nearly eliminate 'lag'

playdoh43

the bmw 335i has virtually no turbo kick, cant tell the difference vs a na car.

Ike

As far as lag goes the Evo is probably the laggiest car on the market. However, I still think calling it an on off switch is not fair. I can take the car from 2k-7k RPMs and it will be a slow gentle acceleration if I'm easy on the throttle it just feels like your basic 4 banger. If I pound on it and break the tires lose in first a little and redline each shift there is no lag. The only time you'll really notice much lag is if you're crusing at 2500 rpms and and floor it the car will fall on its face for a bit, but that's more just being off boost.

Also, more boost doesn't mean more lag, in fact sometimes it means less if you're talking someone doing exhaust work and tuning to accompany it. Bigger turbos mean more lag. The small turbos on cars like the MS3, MS6, GTI, and others make them drive almost like NA cars and saying they have any noticeable turbo lag is a stretch IMO. There's a difference between being out of the spool range of the turbo and turbo lag.

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

I have owned a few turbocharged cars (last was a MSP) and the MS6 has virtually no lag. Is it as smooth as the 8's power curve? No. But the AWD makes up for any lag. By the time it bites the freight train has already begin to move. In my friends EVO you just have to know how to launch it in first gear. My friends STI has no lag if you rev it up on launch properly.