blackenedwings

Lots of demands for a car that won't be built anyway, and even if Mazda did build another rotary (again, they won't) it wouldn't look anything like the car you envision/demand. You might as well get off your soapbox because nobody is buying what you are selling.

thunderberk

That's why rx7club guys thinking same as me you don't know about what both sports car & pure sports car is. We are going to see what Mazda will produce

The RX-7 confirmed to be in the pipeline for 2017 - Page 77 - RX7Club.com

RIWWP

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Skimming through that RX-7 thread, I see people wanting more power, but I don't see anyone pushing the same absurd "musts" that you are. They are recognizing what would actually sell.

blackenedwings

If you read my sig I think you'll find I have a fairly clear idea.

gwilliams6

RIWWP I agree here with you. Having owned all three generations of RX7, I will be looking to get the fourth generation, but I don't need some absurd list of musts to make me want to buy this car. I will leave it up to the Mazda engineers to deliver a great car, as they have done with each new generation.

alnielsen

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What I get from your sig is that you have built a couple of hot time trials cars out of one that started life as one with an econo box chassis. That is not a sports car.
There is a news report in Autoweek that Fiat is going to put an Abarth engine in a Dodge Dart. Do you call that a sports car too? I don't.

blackenedwings

I'm surprised to see something this impressively stupid from you alnielsen. Considering I was here with one of the few turbo RX-8s over 330 whp for years before I changed platforms. I assume that an RX-8 meets *your* criteria for a sports car?

I've had a Camaro, Corvette, two RX-8s, and now a 4-cyl TT car (one car two tunes... reading comprehension ftw) and out of all of them... guess which one was hands down the best sports car I've ever driven... the "econo box". This forum gets dumber every day.

Brettus

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lets have an argument about what 'sports car' means .....

RIWWP

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It's a subjective definition that varies from person to person. I've never seen an argument that "settles" the matter.

Carbon8

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Why when talking about this car people insist upon comparing to most useless information possible.

Yes weight, power, acceleration ect.... thats great for a straight line car.

Please tell me which car is faster around a track an 8 or a 7?

Keep in mind a stock TT 7 runs 1 second fast 0-60, but is still slower around a track.

Going fast in a straight-line does not mean its a sports car.

thunderberk

SEX SELLS like POWER SELLS If people buy a sports car they want performance not fuel economy or luxury buttons.

If you wait from Mazda brz or gt86 rival then wish Mazda producing MX-5 a bit powerful for their rivals.

But if you want next RX for sports car or pure sports car wish +300-450 power range..

1200 kg 300-450 hp and 300-350 nm Supercharged 16X is PRIDE OF 50TH Anniversay i believe Mazda will do it.

Bladecutter

Well, regardless of what you think Mazda should do, you're going to be mighty disappointed one way or another.

One group of people here are jumping up and down saying Mazda will never build another Rotary power car, period.

The other group of people are saying that if Mazda did decide to build another Rotary powered car, it won't make the kind of power you want it to have, from the factory. Given Mazda's current crop of engine outputs, I would say that these people are way more realistic than you are capable of.

Either way, if Mazda either doesn't build one, or if they do, you're going to be unhappy with the car.

So, my suggestion for you is to go buy a Corvette.
They have all the horsepower.

BC.

thunderberk

I don't need corvette,

That power figures not proud of any RX-7 brandname..

1200 kg 300 hp Next RX
1300 kg 250 hp RX-8

Discuss it after RX-8 tuning easily decrease 1200 kg's after tuning porting etc. 250-270 hp power figures..

300 hp is crank hp not whp so as we experienced on RX-8 N/A powerband comes high rpm's..

If these numbers are true it will be next s2000 rival..

RIWWP

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How does having 500-600hp mean you are "proud" of an original 252hp?

Your logic is completely disconnected. Yes, the FD could generate a ton of power, but that is AFTERMARKET. From the factory, the original FD only produced 252hp.

It sounds to me like a 2500lb 250hp car would be pretty good continuation of a 252 2700lb car? Just because people can build up the engine and turn up the boost to make huge power numbers doesn't mean that the car came from the factory that way. It didn't.

Carbon8

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Your so focused on weight and power, read my previous post. an RX8 is faster than any RX7. So I really don't understand what you are complaining about

RIWWP

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Carbon,

According to his logic, a future GTR R36 MUST make at least 2,000hp, since that is how fast they are now.

Carbon8

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I believe 9K's pettit MEME would be well suited for this thread as well.

thunderberk

Focussing power weight ratio because of rotary emission rules and limited standarts cause of that may choose them naturally aspirated engines and they must be lightweight for a sports car on that power ranges.

What do you mean about ''RX8 is faster than any RX7'' Do you say these on FD RX-7 ?

I am laughing on your posts still you don't understand me.. Be happy with your GTR36 2000 HP Godzilla Hyper Sports Car killer

bse50

Unless Mazda powers the next rotary engine with jesus' tears there's no way they can meet Euro 6 regulation.

It's an engine that is already doomed. Low on power vs the competition, high on emissions, with a huge history of unreliability.

Mazda should focus on a small, mid engined sportscar.

Carbon8

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I meant exactly what I said, the RX8 is faster than any Rx7 (all years and models).

jscott1985

I'd love to see the RX return, but doubt it'll happen :ķ

thunderberk

What a looking view bro which criterias are these ? I want to know.

Carbon8

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Around a track is the criteria, you know what sports cars are meant to do!

RIWWP

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The base RX-7 had 252hp, 2700lbs. The base RX-8 is 232hp, 2850lbs. In a straight line, it's obvious. However, around a circuit the RX-8's suspension is significantly more advanced than the RX-7s, and significantly more capable. Anyone that has driven both STOCK cars will agree with this. I'm one of those.

It's no contest.


No, I DO understand you. You are calling for 500-600hp from the next RX-7 from the factory because that is what FD's are capable of making in aftermarket land. By that logic, the next GTR should make 2,000hp from the factory, since that is what they are making from aftermarket builds.


If you disagree with this statement, then you have to roll the FD back to it's ORIGINAL power level: 252hp, at which point 500-600hp is NOT a continuation of the name.

Carbon8

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At its peak a turbo FD ran a 6.2s 0-60 time, while the RX8 is slower at around a 7s ( Mazda's Ratings). The 8 is far superior on a track, and will beat and Rx7 by a large amount.

No rotory was ever designed to be a straight line car. You talk about weight and power and thats good, for a straight line car.

Compare the cars how they where meant to be driven, otherwise your comparing a VW Rabbit, to a Golf R.

And their simple is no comparison.