import muscle vs domestic muscle (gimmie some real facts)
06-29-2006, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bascho
Aluminum blocks are a great way for Ford to lower the weight of the vehicle.....and now that the 4.6 and 5.4 are used in all their trucks, SUV's and several car lines....they should be able to spread-out the increased material costs. Not to mention trucks and SUV's now have to worry about fuel economy just like all other vehicle segments.
I think 500hp is plenty for a production Mustang.......moving to lighter materials to lower the curb weight is a better direction for R&D to take then worrying about the s/c. Those that need more power can call up Kenne Bell and order a Blowzilla.
I think 500hp is plenty for a production Mustang.......moving to lighter materials to lower the curb weight is a better direction for R&D to take then worrying about the s/c. Those that need more power can call up Kenne Bell and order a Blowzilla.
Yeah... actually I agree with you. I think working on making the GT500 lighter should be Ford's #1 priority as far as Mustang development. Aluminum blocks would definitely help and as you mentioned (and I have before in another thread)... spreading it's use across the trucks and SUV's will help with the increased material costs. An aluminum hood, trunk lid and roof would help too as well have lower the car's center of gravity.
500hp is fine for now... especially if they can lighten up the car. But the GT will need either a price cut or more power when the competition arrives... or cut the price on the GT and introduce a new Mach 1 or Cobra Jet specialty model that runs either a N/A 5.4L or the "stroker" 3v 5.0 that Saleen built.... target 350hp - 400hp.
With how much of a fat pig the GT500 is, you'd probably be faster (and cheaper!) to get a GT, bolt-on a Kenne Bell and a Saleen suspension kit.
06-30-2006, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Japan8
Yeah... actually I agree with you. I think working on making the GT500 lighter should be Ford's #1 priority as far as Mustang development. Aluminum blocks would definitely help and as you mentioned (and I have before in another thread)... spreading it's use across the trucks and SUV's will help with the increased material costs. An aluminum hood, trunk lid and roof would help too as well have lower the car's center of gravity.
Originally Posted by Japan8
500hp is fine for now... especially if they can lighten up the car. But the GT will need either a price cut or more power when the competition arrives... or cut the price on the GT and introduce a new Mach 1 or Cobra Jet specialty model that runs either a N/A 5.4L or the "stroker" 3v 5.0 that Saleen built.... target 350hp - 400hp.
Originally Posted by Japan8
With how much of a fat pig the GT500 is, you'd probably be faster (and cheaper!) to get a GT, bolt-on a Kenne Bell and a Saleen suspension kit.
https://www.cervinis.com/product.aspx?car=1&id=1160
That right there is a cheaper, faster better looking Mustang then the GT500.
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06-30-2006, 12:33 PM
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[QUOTE=bascho]All great ideas. If not standard equipment....at least make it all optional. I understand Ford's need to keep this thing under $50K......but if the customer wants to pay extra for aluminum body panels and over weight reductions......why not offer it.QUOTE]
Dude... Get real. Can you name one (1) manufacturer that offers alternative body panels for a mainstream production car as an OPTION? Specifically, offers aluminum (or other) body panels as replacements for steel panels on an order sheet (not through some manufacturer-approved racing department or as a change on a higher performance model)?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
When I behold the Cervini C500, or ANY Cervini body part on that page, I behold a laughable monstrosity. That is very, VERY far from a "better looking Mustang". It's hideous.
Dude... Get real. Can you name one (1) manufacturer that offers alternative body panels for a mainstream production car as an OPTION? Specifically, offers aluminum (or other) body panels as replacements for steel panels on an order sheet (not through some manufacturer-approved racing department or as a change on a higher performance model)?
Originally Posted by bascho
Without a doubt you could build a faster Mustang than the GT500 for a lot less than the price of the GT500. I personally would love to build a Cervini's C500....That right there is a cheaper, faster better looking Mustang then the GT500.
When I behold the Cervini C500, or ANY Cervini body part on that page, I behold a laughable monstrosity. That is very, VERY far from a "better looking Mustang". It's hideous.
06-30-2006, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DrDiaboloco
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
When I behold the Cervini C500, or ANY Cervini body part on that page, I behold a laughable monstrosity. That is very, VERY far from a "better looking Mustang". It's hideous.
When I behold the Cervini C500, or ANY Cervini body part on that page, I behold a laughable monstrosity. That is very, VERY far from a "better looking Mustang". It's hideous.
I am not a huge fan of any of the other Cervini kits......but I have been in love with 'Eleanor' Mustang from Gone in 60 secs ever since I watched the movie. I think the C500 is the best way to have the 'look' of the Eleanor Mustang with the reliability of a modern car. I've already been down the road of owning a '66 Stang.......would never do it again.
But you're right......beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
06-30-2006, 02:05 PM
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http://www.saleen.com/saleen-parnellijones.htm
I like the look of this A LOT better than the GT500... Man... Saleen should offer this as a kit too.
I like the look of this A LOT better than the GT500... Man... Saleen should offer this as a kit too.
07-01-2006, 12:54 AM
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The only tarted-up NEW mustang I've really liked was the '06 Foose, which kinda-sorta was Eleanor-ish as well.
I normally don't go for Saleens, but the PJ edition looks pretty nice.
I normally don't go for Saleens, but the PJ edition looks pretty nice.
07-01-2006, 11:34 AM
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Yeah I know what you mean. The performance is great with Saleen's, but the looks are so so and the price is 
Even the 2005/6 Saleen Mustang... just don't like certain elements... like making the rear longer (for their variable exhaust) and the ugly spoiler. But the PJ Edition... that's just hot. Plus the "stroker" 5.0L OHC V8... yum!
Even the 2005/6 Saleen Mustang... just don't like certain elements... like making the rear longer (for their variable exhaust) and the ugly spoiler. But the PJ Edition... that's just hot. Plus the "stroker" 5.0L OHC V8... yum!
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Originally Posted by DrDiaboloco
The only tarted-up NEW mustang I've really liked was the '06 Foose, which kinda-sorta was Eleanor-ish as well.
I normally don't go for Saleens, but the PJ edition looks pretty nice.
I normally don't go for Saleens, but the PJ edition looks pretty nice.
The Foose is my second favorite for the same reason. The PJ edition looks good too. I can't really say that I've disliked any conversion of the retro Stang......but I am a Mustang guy at heart so I am supremely biased.
09-01-2006, 03:11 PM
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rodrigo67 - I agree with your statement.
"It takes relatively few bucks to get big increase's in hp on american cars while it takes very large dollars to get gains on the others. Some cars are so efficient at producing power from small engines (ahem), that there is very little left to squeeze no matter how much is spent. "
Being an owner of a Charger RT, I could see adding much HP for far less money if I chose to modify. I choose not to, but many people are.
Also the feeling of 390lbs of torque of a 5.7 litre V8 just makes the car feel that much faster.
"It takes relatively few bucks to get big increase's in hp on american cars while it takes very large dollars to get gains on the others. Some cars are so efficient at producing power from small engines (ahem), that there is very little left to squeeze no matter how much is spent. "
Being an owner of a Charger RT, I could see adding much HP for far less money if I chose to modify. I choose not to, but many people are.
Also the feeling of 390lbs of torque of a 5.7 litre V8 just makes the car feel that much faster.
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