Hybrid or Diesel Future? - Good Article On America's Driving Future
10-27-2005, 09:06 PM
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Hybrid or Diesel Future? - Good Article On America's Driving Future
http://www.detnews.com/2005/insiders...uto-361111.htm
great article about how diesel powered vehicles could become a U.S. favorite over the "hybrid" fad currently going on.
Not that all Hybrids will go away. For the rotary, the hybrid is a nice solution, since, our engine is already lighter, and the hybrid give us the extra torque and economy with all the fun of the rotary.
This article is more about the future of generic people movers (think Camry/Accord).
Clean diesel is really a great way to power cars.
great article about how diesel powered vehicles could become a U.S. favorite over the "hybrid" fad currently going on.
Not that all Hybrids will go away. For the rotary, the hybrid is a nice solution, since, our engine is already lighter, and the hybrid give us the extra torque and economy with all the fun of the rotary.
This article is more about the future of generic people movers (think Camry/Accord).
Clean diesel is really a great way to power cars.
10-29-2005, 11:39 AM
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Are there any diesel hybrids?
I can't see hybrids catching on either. Not once people realize their fuel savings are offset by higher monthly payments. Unless....
A) the savings of charging your hybrid at home continues as gas goes higher;
B) battery technologies improve radically, and hybrids are just a stopgap measure for a decade or so while gas stations install chargers.
Speaking of which...what's this?
(click on "background")
So an EV1 with a 132 lb. battery would have about 100-200 miles extra range compared to my RX-8. Not to mention a motor and power source that would provide reliable service (20~30 years estimated for the batteries) from now until I'm just about to retire. Holy crap.
I can't see hybrids catching on either. Not once people realize their fuel savings are offset by higher monthly payments. Unless....
A) the savings of charging your hybrid at home continues as gas goes higher;
B) battery technologies improve radically, and hybrids are just a stopgap measure for a decade or so while gas stations install chargers.
Speaking of which...what's this?
(click on "background")
A good example of the difference the Partanen Technology would have is EV 1 by General Motors.
The total weight of the car without batteries is 816 kg. With the batteries the weight goes to 1550 kg. The power supply consists of 26 Lead-Acid batteries of 53 Ah each, which weigh 736 kg i.e. almost half of the total weight of the car. Without recharge the EV 1 runs 145 km on highway and in city traffic about 115 km.
With a Partanen technology battery weighing 60 kg, and with a volume 40 liters it would have a capacity of 80 kWh. Installed in a 816 kg EV 1 it could run 870 km on highway and 690 km in the city traffic.
The total weight of the car without batteries is 816 kg. With the batteries the weight goes to 1550 kg. The power supply consists of 26 Lead-Acid batteries of 53 Ah each, which weigh 736 kg i.e. almost half of the total weight of the car. Without recharge the EV 1 runs 145 km on highway and in city traffic about 115 km.
With a Partanen technology battery weighing 60 kg, and with a volume 40 liters it would have a capacity of 80 kWh. Installed in a 816 kg EV 1 it could run 870 km on highway and 690 km in the city traffic.
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10-29-2005, 09:08 PM
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hybrid diesels are coming, you'll see them in europe first, where its more prevelant, and in commerical trucks (real heavy ones). In fact, international is leasing some heavy trucks to customers that are hybrid free of charge, to test there drivetrains. a hybrid diesel would be the ideal drivetrain, but diesel engines are already more expensive, so cost is sorta the issue. If everyone had diesels, it wouldn't be a cost issue, but most engines are not.
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