That is what a DSG trans is. I am not saying the DSG is exactly the same as a traditional manual trans......but it's based on a manual trans. Basically it splits a traditional manual trans gear shaft into two shafts. Two shafts requires two clutches. You could operate a DSG trans with a clutch if you wanted to......but why would you want to? You would essentially have two clutch pedals in which you pressed one for even numbered gear shifts and the other for odd numbered gear shifts. If the majority of customers already choose 2 pedal operation (gas/brake) over 3 pedal operation (gas/brake/clutch)......why would the auto manufactures think that people would/could operate a 4 pedal operation (gas/brake/even clutch/odd clutch)?

 

In other words it's quite different from a traditional manual tranny...

 

I never said it was exactly the same.....I just said it's roots are from the traditional manual trans and not the traditional automatic in design. The only way the DSG compares to a traditional automatic is in how it can be controlled to eliminate driver involvement in application. From the design standpoint, 'the mechanics of how it operates' is closest to a manual transmission.

 

as is every other part of your car...

 

In more systems then you think. Anytime you hear the term 'drive by wire', that means sensors are feeding information to a computer which is actually controlling the function of the button or pedal. Drive-by-wire is being used for accelerator pedal function, steering (not many have adopted this yet), speed control, braking, etc.

 

How about a manual transmission? Is that goverened by a computer?

 

Hey, they should make a transmission called a SAG (Super Awesome Gearshift) that has one clutch for each gear. So every shift would be direct no matter what gear you went to or came from. For people that wanted to really be in control, they could just add one pedal for each gear. So, for a 6-speed you'd have 8 pedals in total. That'd be sweet.

 

So is the fact that VW considers the DSG an automatic completely irrelevant?

 

That'll be in the Mazdaspeed 8.

 

Clearly, just like the definition of the words manual and automatic are. All that matters here is if it has a torque converter or a clutch...

 

if you get too happy with staying in gear and continually bouncing off the rev limiter, you will find limp mode which is a whole hell of a lot worse they the car shifting into the next gear

 

You might have a problem with limp mode, but I never have. In fact, I don't even have a limp mode

 

You should probably see a doctor about that

 

that's called priapism. and its supposedly very painful.

 

How are we "all winners"? A LOT of people don't like the feeling of being detached from the car while driving. I love driving traditional stick.

 

Now that's a stick shift. In all situations thats a manual

 

Nah, it's fine

 

That's what she said.