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How does RX-8 club classify DSG and SMG?
03-23-2006, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
Actually they are not, show me a manual that has two clutches one each for 2 sets of 3 gears...
03-23-2006, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bascho
That is what a DSG trans is. I am not saying the DSG is exactly the same as a traditional manual trans......but it's based on a manual trans. Basically it splits a traditional manual trans gear shaft into two shafts. Two shafts requires two clutches. You could operate a DSG trans with a clutch if you wanted to......but why would you want to? You would essentially have two clutch pedals in which you pressed one for even numbered gear shifts and the other for odd numbered gear shifts. If the majority of customers already choose 2 pedal operation (gas/brake) over 3 pedal operation (gas/brake/clutch)......why would the auto manufactures think that people would/could operate a 4 pedal operation (gas/brake/even clutch/odd clutch)?
03-23-2006, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
In other words it's quite different from a traditional manual tranny...
I never said it was exactly the same.....I just said it's roots are from the traditional manual trans and not the traditional automatic in design. The only way the DSG compares to a traditional automatic is in how it can be controlled to eliminate driver involvement in application. From the design standpoint, 'the mechanics of how it operates' is closest to a manual transmission.
03-23-2006, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by r0tor
as is every other part of your car...
In more systems then you think. Anytime you hear the term 'drive by wire', that means sensors are feeding information to a computer which is actually controlling the function of the button or pedal. Drive-by-wire is being used for accelerator pedal function, steering (not many have adopted this yet), speed control, braking, etc.
03-23-2006, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bascho
That is what a DSG trans is. I am not saying the DSG is exactly the same as a traditional manual trans......but it's based on a manual trans. Basically it splits a traditional manual trans gear shaft into two shafts. Two shafts requires two clutches. You could operate a DSG trans with a clutch if you wanted to......but why would you want to? You would essentially have two clutch pedals in which you pressed one for even numbered gear shifts and the other for odd numbered gear shifts. If the majority of customers already choose 2 pedal operation (gas/brake) over 3 pedal operation (gas/brake/clutch)......why would the auto manufactures think that people would/could operate a 4 pedal operation (gas/brake/even clutch/odd clutch)?
03-23-2006, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by saturn
Hey, they should make a transmission called a SAG (Super Awesome Gearshift) that has one clutch for each gear. So every shift would be direct no matter what gear you went to or came from. For people that wanted to really be in control, they could just add one pedal for each gear. So, for a 6-speed you'd have 8 pedals in total. That'd be sweet.
03-23-2006, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Glyphon
So is the fact that VW considers the DSG an automatic completely irrelevant?
03-23-2006, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by saturn
How about a manual transmission? Is that goverened by a computer?
03-23-2006, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by r0tor
if you get too happy with staying in gear and continually bouncing off the rev limiter, you will find limp mode which is a whole hell of a lot worse they the car shifting into the next gear
03-24-2006, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by cleoent
Fair point, and semi-auto is better then calling it an automatic. But like i said, they are manual transmission being controlled by a computer, it's pretty cool technology. It's the evolution of the manual transmission. We're all winners with this kind of technology.
03-24-2006, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Ike
You might have a problem with limp mode, but I never have. In fact, I don't even have a limp mode
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