EU plans to fit all cars with speed limiters
09-11-2013, 04:55 AM
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09-11-2013, 07:31 PM
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Thanks, Ash. That's a great story. So it's not really NHTSA's idea...they're just following procedure and considering something an automaker proposed.
I never knew that Lee Iaocca and Chrysler were responsible for the accursed system in the first place. Makes me glad that I never owned a Chrysler.
Ken
I never knew that Lee Iaocca and Chrysler were responsible for the accursed system in the first place. Makes me glad that I never owned a Chrysler.
Ken
09-11-2013, 07:53 PM
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Ken....lol..on the Chrysler....me too, although I did tour the Chrysler Tonsley Park plant in the late 1960's before it was sold to and became Mitsubishi Australia for about 35 years..
One thing I was very surprised on is the fact that NHTSA (Government) insists on all North American crash testing be done with dummies NOT wearing Seat Belts...this to me makes NO logical reasoning'..
Ash
One thing I was very surprised on is the fact that NHTSA (Government) insists on all North American crash testing be done with dummies NOT wearing Seat Belts...this to me makes NO logical reasoning'..
Ash
09-12-2013, 11:37 AM
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so its completely normal for washington/government in general!
the seatbelt interlock sucked in the 70's when nobody wore seat belts, but i think now, when seatbelt use is like 90+% it wouldn't be that big of a deal, still lame though.
the seatbelt interlock sucked in the 70's when nobody wore seat belts, but i think now, when seatbelt use is like 90+% it wouldn't be that big of a deal, still lame though.
09-12-2013, 12:03 PM
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Governments don't care as long as it looks good on paper. Example the schmuck senator that spearheaded the national seatbelt laws in the usa drowned in a 1 inch deep puddle after he was thrown from his convertable. Not wearing the seat belt that he required the rest of us too. Kind of poetic justice as I see it.
The European crash test tapes I have seen ie. Porsche,Mercedes,Ferrari the dummy is a real person not a sensor filled doll.
The European crash test tapes I have seen ie. Porsche,Mercedes,Ferrari the dummy is a real person not a sensor filled doll.
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09-12-2013, 12:27 PM
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Glad there isn't any real talk of this here in the US. I wish people would understand this simple fact:
Speed does not kill. Bad driving does.
It's common knowledge the German autobahn is one of the safest highway systems in the world. German drivers tend to be less distracted and better trained than most others, generally speaking.
The problem should be tackled at the other end: better driver training, better enforcement of distracted driving laws (and more of them), and improvement of anti-collision technology. All of that works. Putting a speed cap will not change Joe Schmoe driving 65 mph in a Tahoe on the phone eating a big mac while fiddling with his ipod. He's much more dangerous than me driving 85 in the RX8, both hands on the wheel, no distractions.
Agreed that won't happen here due to the loss in revenue.
Speed does not kill. Bad driving does.
It's common knowledge the German autobahn is one of the safest highway systems in the world. German drivers tend to be less distracted and better trained than most others, generally speaking.
The problem should be tackled at the other end: better driver training, better enforcement of distracted driving laws (and more of them), and improvement of anti-collision technology. All of that works. Putting a speed cap will not change Joe Schmoe driving 65 mph in a Tahoe on the phone eating a big mac while fiddling with his ipod. He's much more dangerous than me driving 85 in the RX8, both hands on the wheel, no distractions.
Agreed that won't happen here due to the loss in revenue.
Better driving training IS A VERY GOOD POINT.Compared to Europe the driving training in the USA is dismal at best. In my opinion every teenager should have to go to Skip Barber or equivalent program before they can get a license. Who cares if you can parallel park if you can't drive in the first place.
09-12-2013, 05:59 PM
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So they (NHTSA) are therefore saying (or giving the impression) to those who view this testing, that it is OK to NOT wear a seat belt!.
Every other country (except USA) who also does new car crash testing has their dummies seat belted up, that was my point.
09-14-2013, 11:24 AM
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''No logical reason'' was in relation to why would you crash test a car without the DUMMY wearing a Seat Belt????...
So they (NHTSA) are therefore saying (or giving the impression) to those who view this testing, that it is OK to NOT wear a seat belt!.
Every other country (except USA) who also does new car crash testing has their dummies seat belted up, that was my point.
So they (NHTSA) are therefore saying (or giving the impression) to those who view this testing, that it is OK to NOT wear a seat belt!.
Every other country (except USA) who also does new car crash testing has their dummies seat belted up, that was my point.
well actually in when they started crash testing cars, people didn't wear seatbelts, so not having the dummy belted in was more like reality, IE the dummy driving the car was in the same state as the crash dummy
however now that everyone wears seatbelts, its stupid, but we actually need to keep doing it in america, because we have lawyers, and what if someone crashed while not wearing seat belts and we didn't test for that?
think of it like Russia in the 80's, the NHTSA is supposed to deal with highway safety, but they probably don't
09-14-2013, 12:53 PM
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i know what your point was, there is no logical reason that the NHTSA does anything.
well actually in when they started crash testing cars, people didn't wear seatbelts, so not having the dummy belted in was more like reality, IE the dummy driving the car was in the same state as the crash dummy
however now that everyone wears seatbelts, its stupid, but we actually need to keep doing it in america, because we have lawyers, and what if someone crashed while not wearing seat belts and we didn't test for that?
think of it like Russia in the 80's, the NHTSA is supposed to deal with highway safety, but they probably don't
well actually in when they started crash testing cars, people didn't wear seatbelts, so not having the dummy belted in was more like reality, IE the dummy driving the car was in the same state as the crash dummy
however now that everyone wears seatbelts, its stupid, but we actually need to keep doing it in america, because we have lawyers, and what if someone crashed while not wearing seat belts and we didn't test for that?
think of it like Russia in the 80's, the NHTSA is supposed to deal with highway safety, but they probably don't
09-14-2013, 01:20 PM
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It's almost impossible to sue the government.
On the belted dummy thing...does IIHS belt dummies when they do their crash tests? Not that I want to say something good about a bunch of insurance companies, but it seems that IIHS takes the lead on pushing safety standards. Like the new slightly offset head on crash test.
Ken
09-14-2013, 05:45 PM
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i know what your point was, there is no logical reason that the NHTSA does anything.
well actually in when they started crash testing cars, people didn't wear seatbelts, so not having the dummy belted in was more like reality, IE the dummy driving the car was in the same state as the crash dummy
however now that everyone wears seatbelts, its stupid, but we actually need to keep doing it in america, because we have lawyers, and what if someone crashed while not wearing seat belts and we didn't test for that?
think of it like Russia in the 80's, the NHTSA is supposed to deal with highway safety, but they probably don't
well actually in when they started crash testing cars, people didn't wear seatbelts, so not having the dummy belted in was more like reality, IE the dummy driving the car was in the same state as the crash dummy
however now that everyone wears seatbelts, its stupid, but we actually need to keep doing it in america, because we have lawyers, and what if someone crashed while not wearing seat belts and we didn't test for that?
think of it like Russia in the 80's, the NHTSA is supposed to deal with highway safety, but they probably don't
And yes M8, that was my point, it is just bloody dumb and stupid to expect car makers to build cars and then have them crash tested (in USA) but with dummies NOT Wearing Seat Belts...stupid.....?..
This just send a message oh yes in AMERICA we crash test cars for you so you do not have to wear SEAT BELTS!!....these are the real dummies.
Europe NCAP and Australian ANCAP All have Belts ON!
UNBELIEVABLE
09-16-2013, 11:13 AM
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gee you are answering your original message
And yes M8, that was my point, it is just bloody dumb and stupid to expect car makers to build cars and then have them crash tested (in USA) but with dummies NOT Wearing Seat Belts...stupid.....?..
This just send a message oh yes in AMERICA we crash test cars for you so you do not have to wear SEAT BELTS!!....these are the real dummies.
Europe NCAP and Australian ANCAP All have Belts ON!
UNBELIEVABLE
And yes M8, that was my point, it is just bloody dumb and stupid to expect car makers to build cars and then have them crash tested (in USA) but with dummies NOT Wearing Seat Belts...stupid.....?..
This just send a message oh yes in AMERICA we crash test cars for you so you do not have to wear SEAT BELTS!!....these are the real dummies.
Europe NCAP and Australian ANCAP All have Belts ON!
UNBELIEVABLE
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