Cynic09GT

Looks like the EPA and CARB are about to have it out. https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/17/polit...ons/index.html

I know there are a lot of CA people on the board, so I'm curious what everyone's thoughts are on this. Obviously we can look forward to years of litigation.

It's never made much sense to me that California gets to set its own rules for gasoline formulation, MPG, and emissions.

So what do you think? Will the ridiculous tyranny of the "CARB Sticker" soon come to an end?

furansu

I like the idea of a single standard, hopefully with a middle-ground between the current EPA standards, and the CARB standard. I don't think we should roll back emissions standards, but I want to retain open car modification as well, which CARB-like rulings make difficult for the sake of it.

We also need a consistent standard on fuel across the country. 93 should be everywhere.

Jedi54

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I wish we could get rid of CARB as it's utterly useless.
BUT
as you said, we're probably in for years and years of litigation so who knows how this will all shake out.

Loki

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I'm curious, because I don't know much about the reality on the ground, why is it useless? Bad idea or good idea poorly implemented?

Cynic09GT

Jedi's reasons may differ, but one issue I take with CARB is the redundant certification process, whereby a product like an aftermarket catalytic converter legal for use in the other 49 states is made illegal for sale in CA unless reviewed by a state authority. The same product sold elsewhere is then stamped with a number that certifies the state has reviewed it (at additional manufacturer cost), and the product is sold to the consumer for a higher price.

hornbm

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Agree it should be done away with. We should have one national standard.

I can understand the case being made in the 80's, but car emissions are so good now, and have been for a long time, that two competing standards no longer makes any sense.

In washington state we only get california spec vehicles sold new here, We also are unable to buy anything used with wer less than 14,000 miles that isn't California spec. A flattened standard benefits everyone. Lower to all, and for the CA folks, hopefully a leaner stance on car mods.

TeamRX8

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The same fire and brimstone that rained down onto Sodom and Gomorrah could be raining down on California and those idiots in charge there would still swear they’re right