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My echo chamber? You watch YouTube videos with sensationalistic titles and carefully chosen examples. These will change my view and give me insight?
I know how dense the public is. I can give some great stories. I have been in retail for 35+ years. Probably longer than you have been alive, or close to it.
I gave you two significant examples of how customers relationships to their cars have changed, toward more involvement, not less, now you want me to post up a study?
No, use your own brain and think about it, like I did. I'm sure you can come up with more if you think about it. If you need a study to inform your view, I don't know what to say to you.
Loki, the R-EV does have a low level indicator. One of the bulletins ASH8 posted talks about it. It's on the other site, I believe.
Again, A new mass produced rotary engine is hitting the markets, with new technology, new materials, and new coatings, and we are arguing over break in oil consumption.
Look at what is, instead of what isn't.
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My echo chamber? You watch YouTube videos with sensationalistic titles and carefully chosen examples. These will change my view and give me insight?
You can certainly argue how the examples are picked and extreme, but I can argue right back that we are probably seeing only the tip of the iceberg. Most of that stuff just doesn't make it to the Internet, and I would imagine that at least some of them are as severe as the stuff you do find on the Internet.
Originally Posted by kevink0000
I know how dense the public is. I have been in retail for 35+ years. Probably longer than you have been alive, or close to it.
I gave you two significant examples of how customers relationships to their cars have changed, toward more involvement, not less, now you want me to post up a study?
Yes please, if you want to make your point, because right now, this part is completely contradicting. Weird you didn't notice that. It's kinda like saying "Oh this guy just murdered a completely innocent civilian, but yeah, good kid."
I have already analyzed the DEF example(long service intervals so dealers/shops can take care of it, not fundamentally detrimental to the engine health, not even that common in North America outside of commercial applications), and if you want me to look into the SuperCharger example:
- If every plug-in hybrid car burns oil like it's public knowledge, sure, I am the clown here, but right now, you can get a CX-90 PHEV with the benefits of a plug-in hybrid, without having to worry about oil consumption outside of manufacturing defect and getting yourself messy. That applies to every other plug-in hybrid/range extender car outside of MX-30 R-EV. Do you see the problem here? People can choose other products that do the same thing without having to worry about this. That's my point here.
- EV sales are dragging a bit, and the fact that Tesla has to constantly drop prices probably has something to do with that. If there is a lot of demand, there is no need to lower the price. Now, there can be a multitude of reasons for that, but perhaps people aren't as tolerant of EV's disadvantages as you think.
Again, A new mass produced rotary engine is hitting the markets, with new technology, new materials, and new coatings, and we are arguing over break in oil consumption.
Look at what is, instead of what isn't.
The easier and better image it is for the mass consumers, the more possible it is for Mazda to make money so maybe they have a chance to provide something to an enthusiast.
No, use your own brain and think about it, like I did. I'm sure you can come up with more if you think about it. If you need a study to inform your view, I don't know what to say to you.
These are my viewpoints done with thinking, and again, I welcome critiques, but I can also argue against your critiques if I don't agree. I am also just using data to back up my points. I like how you point out the possible flaws in data, that's great, but it's a bit silly to imply "all studies bad" just because some data is flawed or not used appropriately.
And sure, I want this thing to succeed, but as I already mentioned in another thread, it's got some issues that need to be ironed out if it wants a chance.
Rotaries fell out of favour because of the public perception of it being thirsty and unreliable, so if anything, it has to work extra hard to turn that reputation around.
As for the actual car, I would like to know how big the sump is on the MX-30 R-EV. If it's 8 litres or so, great, customers probably won't get to see the warning light before they need an oil change. The fact that there is a "normal refill timing" implies the sump isn't that large, though. Engineer for prevention before mitigation.
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So it seems like the system does address MX-30's main weak point, which is the range, though MX-30 does have its own share of other odd design decisions. The overall efficiency also seems to be not quite on par with competitors. If it can manage 6 L/100 km or so with a depleted battery, I think we might have something here. I sure do hope Japanese and European folks are more intelligent when it comes to car care, too. Would love to see people from these places give some insight on how it is over there.
11-10-2023, 01:59 PM
