My echo chamber? You watch YouTube videos with sensationalistic titles and carefully chosen examples. These will change my view and give me insight?

I know how dense the public is. I can give some great stories. I have been in retail for 35+ years. Probably longer than you have been alive, or close to it.

I gave you two significant examples of how customers relationships to their cars have changed, toward more involvement, not less, now you want me to post up a study?

No, use your own brain and think about it, like I did. I'm sure you can come up with more if you think about it. If you need a study to inform your view, I don't know what to say to you.


Loki, the R-EV does have a low level indicator. One of the bulletins ASH8 posted talks about it. It's on the other site, I believe.

Again, A new mass produced rotary engine is hitting the markets, with new technology, new materials, and new coatings, and we are arguing over break in oil consumption.

Look at what is, instead of what isn't.

 

You can certainly argue how the examples are picked and extreme, but I can argue right back that we are probably seeing only the tip of the iceberg. Most of that stuff just doesn't make it to the Internet, and I would imagine that at least some of them are as severe as the stuff you do find on the Internet.

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Yes please, if you want to make your point, because right now, this part is completely contradicting. Weird you didn't notice that. It's kinda like saying "Oh this guy just murdered a completely innocent civilian, but yeah, good kid."

I have already analyzed the DEF example(long service intervals so dealers/shops can take care of it, not fundamentally detrimental to the engine health, not even that common in North America outside of commercial applications), and if you want me to look into the SuperCharger example:

- If every plug-in hybrid car burns oil like it's public knowledge, sure, I am the clown here, but right now, you can get a CX-90 PHEV with the benefits of a plug-in hybrid, without having to worry about oil consumption outside of manufacturing defect and getting yourself messy. That applies to every other plug-in hybrid/range extender car outside of MX-30 R-EV. Do you see the problem here? People can choose other products that do the same thing without having to worry about this. That's my point here.

- EV sales are dragging a bit, and the fact that Tesla has to constantly drop prices probably has something to do with that. If there is a lot of demand, there is no need to lower the price. Now, there can be a multitude of reasons for that, but perhaps people aren't as tolerant of EV's disadvantages as you think.


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The easier and better image it is for the mass consumers, the more possible it is for Mazda to make money so maybe they have a chance to provide something to an enthusiast.

Don't pretend that these aren't problems.

 

Ok, well, enough of that again. No point in going further.

Does anyone know if the RX-8 had ECU programming that increased oil output during break-in?

Or any previous Mazda rotary for that matter?

 

These are my viewpoints done with thinking, and again, I welcome critiques, but I can also argue against your critiques if I don't agree. I am also just using data to back up my points. I like how you point out the possible flaws in data, that's great, but it's a bit silly to imply "all studies bad" just because some data is flawed or not used appropriately.

And sure, I want this thing to succeed, but as I already mentioned in another thread, it's got some issues that need to be ironed out if it wants a chance.

Rotaries fell out of favour because of the public perception of it being thirsty and unreliable, so if anything, it has to work extra hard to turn that reputation around.

As for the actual car, I would like to know how big the sump is on the MX-30 R-EV. If it's 8 litres or so, great, customers probably won't get to see the warning light before they need an oil change. The fact that there is a "normal refill timing" implies the sump isn't that large, though. Engineer for prevention before mitigation.

 

Well, seeing that we in North America likely won't get this car anyway, reviews are all I have going off of.

Mazda MX-30 R-EV review: can dead tech redeem Mazda’s worst car?

Mazda MX-30 R-EV review

So it seems like the system does address MX-30's main weak point, which is the range, though MX-30 does have its own share of other odd design decisions. The overall efficiency also seems to be not quite on par with competitors. If it can manage 6 L/100 km or so with a depleted battery, I think we might have something here. I sure do hope Japanese and European folks are more intelligent when it comes to car care, too. Would love to see people from these places give some insight on how it is over there.

 

I can't open that PDF on my end. Says it's corrupted.

I am going to try to see this more positively.

 

This PDF from the RX-7 site is very good. I will try to make a translated copy when I have a moment. The PDF is good this time.

 

Here's that pdf in English.
I ran each page through Google Translate, then recombined the resulting images back into a pdf.

 

Nice work, thank you. The AW11 is my younger son’s favorite car. He has an ‘88 project but used to DD an ‘86. With working A/C.

 

Mazda released a patent on a new range extender.

 

Are you talking about the simulated VVT on the rotary engine or something else entirely?

 

Wuz joke.

 

Ash, anything new on the r-ev? I noticed your posts on the MX-30 forums-seems like you have some inside info on how these are faring in the real world.

 

Howdy,
Well it the same old issues, Oil, people think something is wrong because they have to add some oil...sigh.
There has been one engine failure, could not handle the 'long distance use' a guy did a few thousand miles and it went kaput (shut down).
Don't think we will see much more of the MX-30 REV as it is an expensive exercise to own, had Great potential, just too expensive.

BTW, That Top Gear article on MX-30 REV and basically canning it is BS, the writer is an idiot, comparing an RX-8 to MX-30 REV, seriously these
English shows are so biased against anything Made In Japan, if it is not German it is no good.
I see from many European owners of CX-80 and CX-60 they love the car, a few guys say they have owned BMW and Mercedes with the Mazda far superior in finish and fit, paint and Interior and drivability.
Yes the CX-60 had many problems but as usual Mazda sorted most very quickly, remember this is an ALL new Car designed and conceived during Covid.

Rotary Future, there is a great YT Video of the Japanese AP (Auto Press) guy talking to Mazda about what's new and Rotary.

YES, Mazda is working on and has prototypes of what looks like large displacement 1600cc or 1700cc (my Guess) twin Rotary Engine for yes a new sports car.
But this all depends on what Fuels are available as this new Rotary is designed for BIO FUEL.

 

I used to work in biofuel (head of experimental biodiesel feedstocks at the largest refinery in the US at the time). Saying it's designed for biofuel when biofuel is designed for maximum compatibility with fossil fuel is 100% marketing ****. Ignore it. That either means it'll run diesel or can tolerate high percentage ethanol blends.

The thing about rotaries is they're high maintenance compared to piston engines. EV owners are some of the most maintenance averse out there. A rotary hybrid makes absolutely no sense. The things that make a rotary attractive (aside from packaging and low vibrations) just don't have any way to exist as a range extender. Meanwhile, all the downsides are right there just as damning as ever.

If they can find a way to maximize the rotary's positive qualities, and make up for its relative shortcomings with electric motors, cool. Maybe. I have my doubts. I'm not at all EV averse (the next time I buy a new car, it will be an EV), but it's just kind of the opposite in every way. Not like chocolate an peanut butter are opposites that combine to make something better, more like how fire and water are opposites that combine to make a steamy ashy mess where everything gets muddied up and nobody wins.

 

this guy

 

sorry this one, aplols if it is posted, blame my old age..