Originally Posted by nycgps

Im not saying Mazda has as good rating as GM, but GM made too much error in the past (quality) and its hard to convince people that they have solid build. (friend's father has Chevy and his motor blew in 3 yrs)

Originally Posted by nycgps

Its true that Union plays a big role in this, but it also the fact that GM screwed their brand up with tons of unreliable piece of crap back in the 80s 90s.

At least thats the experience all my uncles had. and they all swear to god that they will not buy another American made car again.

Things could be better now, but its really hard to change people's heart.

Just look at me, My father hate Mazda for the very same reason above(during 80s 90s Mazda cars were ... piece of crap) it took me a "long" while b4 I convince my father that CX-7 is a pretty good bang for buck deal. he is ok with it so far. but I know in his heart he still not 100% happy with it, he wants a Lexus RX 350/450h in the first place.

And look at Rotary, as of today, even with many Renesis gone way over 150K miles mark. people "still" think that our motors will self-destruct every 60 thousand miles.



Im not saying Mazda has as good rating as GM, but GM made too much error in the past (quality) and its hard to convince people that they have solid build. (friend's father has Chevy and his motor blew in 3 yrs, it was a 2002 model I think)

I think the only solution to GM now is ... maybe file for bankruptcy. So they can fired all those overpaid people, and restructure their whole company.

Originally Posted by devildog1679

... same goes why I put my preorder on the Camaro. A Camaro will always be a Camaro and never be confused with anything else

Originally Posted by JRichter

Yeah, there is no doubt their image is still tarnished form crap they put out 15-30 years ago and that's there own fault for putting themselves in that situation to begin with. It takes the general public several decades to forget that stuff.

Originally Posted by devildog1679

You have a point about their reliability back in the 80's, nowadays they are much better but like we all know it's hard to get rid of the stigma. You hit it right with them needing to restructure, we can see that they are trying with their recent models. It will just take some time for people to feel comfortable with them again. I have no problem buying a Chevy that is if it's nice. Even though the SS is nice in performance it's still a cobalt, same goes for EVO and STI, their still a Lancer and Legacy respectively. One of the reasons I got the 8 was because it was unique, same goes why I put my preorder on the Camaro. A Camaro will always be a Camaro and never be confused with anything else

Originally Posted by Red Rex

I think Mitsubishi really slouched with the Evo X. Many say its not even as good as the IX. Seems like they just relied on the name 'Evo' to sell it. That would explain why a Cobalt costing $10,000 less would beat it. Around a track of all places too. Imagine what the Camaro will do? This gives me something to laugh at the Evo guys who insist they could take on a Vette. You guys have enough trouble with a FWD Cobalt! What makes you think you can take on a Corvette Z0sick?

Originally Posted by nycgps

decades ? make that a century.

Cuz it has been 30 yrs and people still say Rotary is unreliable piece of crap.



Camaro looks bad ***. Just wait till it comes out to see if it can continue its legend ...

Originally Posted by mosssj

Heck I just bought my Rx8 and an Evo X certainly got a test drive(along with every other car I could think of that had some kind of sporty element between 20k-50k) and I just wasn't that impressed. I agree with other people when they said Mitsubishi dropped the ball. The car just lost a lot of what made it unique(no nonsense fun and just rawness).

Originally Posted by Gecko69

Besides the blah looks I haven't heard anything but good stuff about the new cobalt....looks pretty damn impressive to me.....I remember and article a while back where they stated that the new cobalt is the best handling fwd car ever!.....significantly better than the integra type r.....which is again, impressive.

Originally Posted by nycgps

people still failed to explain if GM makes quality stuff, why are they trading at 6.25 per share rofl

maybe they're so good that no one dare to buy them ?
the stock price saids it all.

Originally Posted by Rotary Mike

I just owned a Cobalt SS for 3 years. Racked up 131 000KM.
Repairs = Replaced the tires once. That was it. The heater motor did squeak.
It survived two accidents (neither my fault).
I drag raced it many times (see picture)
I towed a Seadoo many times (see picture)

Talking about GM Reliability due to their stock price is like a chevy fanboi commenting on Mazda's Rotary engine dying at 30 000KM because of "stoires", myths, and the long *** warranty.

I have no problem talking about the pros and cons of cars. (My RX-8 has more pros then the Cobalts cons) I don't have time for people hating a company out of ignorance.

Originally Posted by endowdly

you might want to read those articles and look the times of the cobalt ss compared to the sti and evo.

i think you'll see how much of an idiot you just made yourself sound.

like it was said before--numbers do not lie. especially repeated ones.