Cobalt Faster than STi & Evo X
10-22-2008, 12:56 PM
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It's weird that you guys are all freaked out, it's not as if we don't see well sorted & driven civics outdo any number of RWD's on any given track day. What shocks me about the Cobalt is substituting the supercharged engine with the 260hp turbo and some minor chassis tweaks took nearly 10 seconds off the times from the lightening lap the SS last participated in. Whichever engineer tuned that car for Chevy just saw their stock double...
Now as much as Chevy deserves kudo's, I'd never consider one, although it "resists" understeer I just can't stand that characteristic. The last "best handling" Motor Trend test, where their subjective rating of the SS was 9th out of 9th says it all.
The STi was a disappointment in this test, I actually had my eye on one.
Now as much as Chevy deserves kudo's, I'd never consider one, although it "resists" understeer I just can't stand that characteristic. The last "best handling" Motor Trend test, where their subjective rating of the SS was 9th out of 9th says it all.
The STi was a disappointment in this test, I actually had my eye on one.
10-22-2008, 02:30 PM
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10-22-2008, 05:57 PM
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I guess I'm not quite so sure why this is a revelation. Chevy has picked up where the SRT4 left off. Fit and finish? Pfft - buy a good aftermarket stereo and you won't notice.
I'd much rather have a Cobalt SS than a Challenger/Camaro/Mustang -- which are all in the same price range. Then again, so is the MS3.
I'd much rather have a Cobalt SS than a Challenger/Camaro/Mustang -- which are all in the same price range. Then again, so is the MS3.
10-22-2008, 09:27 PM
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In spirit and category, the Cobalt SS seems like a continuance of the SRT4. My feeling though is that the suspension tuning of the Cobalt SS seems to have refinement and finesse beyond not just the SRT4, but even beyond some non-FWD cars. IMHO the Cobalt SS felt far nimbler and buttoned-down than the late STI.
This car has surprised a lot of critics.
This car has surprised a lot of critics.
10-22-2008, 10:05 PM
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not a piece of **** Cobalt.
I wonder how long would this thing last b4 50 thousand problem pops up. Just like all other Chevy.
My RX8? Its working just fine. I just installed some autoexe sways and endlinks today. kick ***.
When was the last time that Cobalt won any major league ? I know RX8 did, quite a lot too.
Chevy is so darn good that no one wants their piece of **** ? rofl ? They're about to go bankrupt my friend. ahhh no fear, another bailout from the government so they can keep building PoS ?
It's weird that you guys are all freaked out, it's not as if we don't see well sorted & driven civics outdo any number of RWD's on any given track day. What shocks me about the Cobalt is substituting the supercharged engine with the 260hp turbo and some minor chassis tweaks took nearly 10 seconds off the times from the lightening lap the SS last participated in. Whichever engineer tuned that car for Chevy just saw their stock double...
Now as much as Chevy deserves kudo's, I'd never consider one, although it "resists" understeer I just can't stand that characteristic. The last "best handling" Motor Trend test, where their subjective rating of the SS was 9th out of 9th says it all.
The STi was a disappointment in this test, I actually had my eye on one.
Now as much as Chevy deserves kudo's, I'd never consider one, although it "resists" understeer I just can't stand that characteristic. The last "best handling" Motor Trend test, where their subjective rating of the SS was 9th out of 9th says it all.
The STi was a disappointment in this test, I actually had my eye on one.
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10-22-2008, 11:12 PM
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too bad lap times mean nothing to me, otherwise i would be peeing all over myself.
i'm guessing it has to be driven like a blunt weapon to make it handle. unless the laws of physics were uplifted and fwd cars cars can now float gracefully through curves, using the gas pedal to steer.
i'm guessing it has to be driven like a blunt weapon to make it handle. unless the laws of physics were uplifted and fwd cars cars can now float gracefully through curves, using the gas pedal to steer.
10-22-2008, 11:27 PM
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I'd take one for my daily driver. I'm sure its still a pretty fun car to drive on the street. I'm not huge on the styling, since it basically is a new cavalier, but seriously it's got decent performance and reliability (i think) 
10-23-2008, 08:03 AM
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too bad lap times mean nothing to me, otherwise i would be peeing all over myself.
i'm guessing it has to be driven like a blunt weapon to make it handle. unless the laws of physics were uplifted and fwd cars cars can now float gracefully through curves, using the gas pedal to steer.
i'm guessing it has to be driven like a blunt weapon to make it handle. unless the laws of physics were uplifted and fwd cars cars can now float gracefully through curves, using the gas pedal to steer.
10-23-2008, 09:09 AM
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Did anyone mention the Road & Track article. They seem to be impressed w/ it...
It won first place over 2nd place WRX, 3rd place Mazdaspeed 3 and 4th place Lancer Ralliart though the 265 hp WRX still barely beat it on their track test. I'm more impressed w/ how fast the WRX is in general after the recent power increase.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7103
That's all good but based on its looks, interior and nameplate, I still wouldn't drive it. Curious to see what performance variant will come from the new Cruze that will replace the Cobalt.
It won first place over 2nd place WRX, 3rd place Mazdaspeed 3 and 4th place Lancer Ralliart though the 265 hp WRX still barely beat it on their track test. I'm more impressed w/ how fast the WRX is in general after the recent power increase.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7103
The Cobalt SS may be the most underrated car in the world. We're about to set it free of that title.
"Dynamically, the Cobalt SS is the best — it completely shocked us."
So for all those who have said, "I'd buy an American car if they made one that could compete with the Europeans and Japanese," Chevy is calling your bluff. Because the Cobalt SS doesn't just compete with the foreign cars, it beats them. It is the hottest-performing sports compact you can buy in the U.S. for under $30,000. That it's also the least expensive in this test is even more reason to rush to your Chevy dealer immediately. Not only will it help stimulate the economy, but every aspect of your enthusiast driving senses as well
10-23-2008, 09:22 AM
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That it's also the least expensive in this test is even more reason to rush to your Chevy dealer immediately. Not only will it help stimulate the economy, but every aspect of your enthusiast driving senses as well
10-23-2008, 09:36 AM
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Though I haven't agreed with your 'cobalt sucks, end of story' thoughts...I agree with your statement above. I get a car for what makes ME happy...not others. A lot of people on the corvette forums have an 'anything japanese sucks' attitude. I still feel the Japanese cars are built better than american...so why did I get a chevy? Because I liked enough of the corvette to get one. Love the new carbon fiber interior...love the interior...love the drivetrain. The cobalt is good for what it is, just like the RX8 is good for what it is...just as the Mustang GT is good for what it is.
10-23-2008, 09:38 AM
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dude I so dont buy this. Common. FWD beating a skyline? Evo? STi? Get serious. Car and Driver, as well as Motor Trend are both bought and paid for by "domestic" auto makers, none more involved than GM. I don't buy it. I smell.... bullshit.
10-23-2008, 09:46 AM
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The times I posted were not from car and driver and motor trend...most were done by Sport Auto...a german company.
10-23-2008, 09:49 AM
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and you are a conspiracist. XD
numerous tests from many people say it. and i can't speak for motortrend, but i can for car and driver. the only gm car they like is a corvette. they have denounced and criticized gm for years.
the same thing was said when the evo started to whoop up on big engine muscle cars. "i can't believe this japanese fourbanger is rocking the world..."
change happens. ew.
numerous tests from many people say it. and i can't speak for motortrend, but i can for car and driver. the only gm car they like is a corvette. they have denounced and criticized gm for years.
the same thing was said when the evo started to whoop up on big engine muscle cars. "i can't believe this japanese fourbanger is rocking the world..."
change happens. ew.
10-23-2008, 10:15 AM
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10-23-2008, 11:51 AM
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i pwn therefore i am
10-23-2008, 01:26 PM
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