nycgps

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For some reason I just have no respect in Chevy at all. They have the exact same **** for so many years. I think I have more respect in Ford than Chevy/GM.

Japanese cars are in fact built better than American, it might have something to do with the way Japanese people do business. They want customers to stay with them forever, and they will try to do the best they can. While Americans do business by making the most profit at a time, who cares if they will ever come back, always new customers.

Musker

That's for sure

dillsrotary

You sound very biased so i have to ask, have you ever owned an american built car? Though I have heard some horror stories I personally owned 3 in the past 10 years and none have given me any major concerns or worries. In fact my pontiac trans am was practically bullet proof.

dynamho

Yep. Impressive car, but there are other cars I'd rather spend my money on.
Now if they had this as a rental.... Mwahahahaha!

I can hear Cobalt SS with Rodney Dangerfield's voice, "I get no respect".

dynamho

Yeah, the bias against American cars is getting stale to me too. Clearly, Detroit spent far more resources on their SUV and truck businesses with little going to bread and butter cars, so naturally, they sucked. They made a killing with the SUV and truck business. Like nycgps said, it's all business - meeting the numbers.

Ever since the light bulb came on in Detroit where they said, "oh ****, we need to start paying more attention to them regular cars," they really have done well in my view, but the damage is already done.

Trust is lost in a instant, but takes years to build. Detroit is gonna have a hard time building that trust, even if they are building cars that are as good or better than the established.

I for one have an open mind to Detroit, but with a skeptical eye.

jones75254

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^^Thats the f$^#ed up part about it. No matter how many tests it dominates and how many 300-400hp AWD/RWD cars it smacks around at the test sites, it will never get the respect. Its kind of along the lines of that old saying, how does it go? "Fat girls are like mopeds, fun to ride once in a while but you would never want your friends to see you on one"........that type of thing, LOL.

Is unfortunate as this car puts up freaky numbers, but its the reality. If Chevy does a major cosmetic makeover, and the performance continues stomp the others, i believe opinions would eventually change.

alienRX8

Thats exactly the reason I would never buy one. That and I dont trust american cars exept the big bad ones like vette. Id be ashamed of driving around in a balt.

JRichter

Supposedly, GM is dumping a lot of time and effort into the replacement (due to the boom in small cars) which they hope will sell well, worldwide. It's funny that when they want to go global with a car - they make strides to make it better because they know the crap they put out here doesn't cut it overseas. That tells you something right there. Anyways, this new car doesn't look bad at all and a SS version of this one would probably blow the current Cobalt SS away as far as the overall package is concerned.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/21/g...1-chevy-cruze/

BlueEyes

Some of you guys have some real insecurity issues. Sorry bastards.

That new cobalt looks alright. I'm not a fan of the interior, it's got the same shaped centre stack as the new CTS = do not want.

I don't know why more companies don't use an NSX. Carerra GT type centre stack that leans into way into the cabin. I love that.

Anyway, I drove by a chev dealer on the way to work this afternoon, so I swung in to see if they had a cobalt ss for a test drive. They did not, but said they're getting one soon and they'd call me when it arrived. I'll test drive it for ***** and giggles, I'd like to see what it can do.

nycgps

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personally, nope. Im not old enough to own so many cars. :P

but 2 of my uncle been thru couple of american made cars, but sadly, all of them had nothing but problems.

one even had oldsmobile, was it sabre I dont remember. windstar, Caravan, escort, and couple others, just to name a few.

The oldsmobile had 2 engine replacements. Windstar tranny leak like 4 times, Caravan overheated and dealership couldnt find the cause, Escort same tranny leaking problem, etc.

I know there are couple of American made cars that are pretty good in quality, but when you compare them to japanese cars. the quality is just not good enough.

I am not saying japanese cars are the best thing since slice bread, my one of my uncle had a Sienna, it again, overheated for no reason, replaced engine, radiator, all hose, thermostats, all under warranty yea, but its still overheating. So he traded the car in for a highlander, which works fine.

ok, think of it this way,

Outa 10 japanese cars , 8 of them are good

and outa 10 american cars, only 3 of them are good

see where the problem is ?

things could be different consider the fact that if they dont do something sooner, they are so going to bankrupt. We will have to wait and see for a couple of years.

dynamho

This is a nice looking car in and out. They gotta do something about that gold bowtie logo though. It looks fine on a truck, but on a car, I get reminded of a moonshine belch. They need something like a "born again" revision.

kersh4w

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no, thats the problem.

american car manufacturers FLAT OUT SUCK at designing good looking cars.

what have they been doing lately to try to combat this suckyness? going back to the 60s when their designs didnt suck narwhal *****. their designs are fat, bloated, and ugly. no elegance to them.

ztbear13

Haha everyone's talking **** about it being an american car when Mazda is owned by Ford... The new Cobalt SS/TC is an impressive car for the price and the fact it's fwd. The SS/SC was pretty good as well. They have a strong motor with alot of power potential. So talk all the **** you want about the quality of Chevy while how many members on this forum are on their 2nd or 3rd motor...

alienRX8

Well mazda is buying back half of the stock that ford owns. And it is NOT owned by Ford. Ford has a 33% stock in mazda which makes them PART owners but they only do it to share parts.

delhi

this news reminds me of a pig winning the annual hog-wild race.

nycgps

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Its funny that pathetic loser like you who clearly knows NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING, actually got the ***** to come out to talk ****.

owned by Ford? ROFL.

2nd 3rd motor? I can go find an owner on their 5th motor in their Chevy within 10 minutes.

Ahh, I am still on my original, and I have 100K warranty. Cant say that for Chevy *cough* ~~~

You darn right Chevy is so good that they're about to go into Chapter 11 ROFL LMAO LOL ! oh wait, do you even know what chapter 11 means ? LOL !

Yea, we know that you're a moron. now go get ur facts straight & go SUCK it.

LostAngel

Chevy does actually have a 100k mile drivetrain warrenty. Started in '08 MY I believe.

CyberPitz

You're not helping the cause, Lost.

nycgps

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How many wrongs need to make it right?

It's been YEARS that Chevy have been making nothing but garbage. well, mostly garbage.

Now they want a come back? sounds like kinda late.

JRichter

The mechanical reliability of recent Chevy (and GM) is not really that bad. Look at some recent JD Power dependability studies to see that overall Chevy is above average and usually above Mazda when it comes to reliability. The problem I have is with the designs inside and out, materials used, the noticeable cost-cutting techniques and the overall result. It seems as if the Japanese can clearly put out a far more superior vehicle at the same price and constantly make evolutionary changes to their products to keep them competitive. Yet GM and Ford will put out a fresh design (which many times is already below the competition to begin with), patch it up with facelifts for the next 10 years, then finally after the product is extremely out dated, not fit for third world countries, everyone tells them it's a piece of ****, rental companies are the only ones buying it - they finally come out with a totally new clean sheet design and start the whole thing over again. It also seems as if GM still insists on using its developmental money in the wrong areas (bigger vehicles) even after the hard lesson learned from the 1970's gas crisis. I think the company is too big for its own good with lots of overpaid corporate and not enough organization.

dynamho

What can a different logo do for a car?

JRichter

... make it a helluva lot more desirable (at least initially).

RXLogic

That's actually my biggest problem with Chevy -- that Gold Bow Tie makes all their cars look cheap even if they're not

dynamho

My sentiments exactly!

BlueEyes

Yes, much better....