C&D- Comparo, Accord, Mazda 6..The winner is..
06-03-2013, 10:53 AM
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So they don't need a truck to tow 3,000lb car/off road vehicle, people, and gear? They don't all drive stripped down VW Polo's. And this distance I stated was just a number I threw out, even a 300 mile trip towing a 3,000lb car with another car or car based ute would suck *** and be potentially dangerous.
I may be wrong as well, but it doesn't appear that the majority of "casual towers" in Europe are towing offroading vehicles loaded down with gear. It's more likely 1,500lb or less campers. My point is that the average weight towed for an American is higher than for a European.
06-03-2013, 10:56 AM
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I've seen quite a bit, around various communities that I have to keep tabs on for work, plus the actual information i get through work channels. The replacement rate for the early 2000s V6s has been significant. Perhaps not as high as a rotary, but certainly far from simple periodic owner negligence.
One of the members on here was ranting about constantly doing V6 engine replacements at the dealer he worked at (as an example, i'll see if i can find it)
One of the members on here was ranting about constantly doing V6 engine replacements at the dealer he worked at (as an example, i'll see if i can find it)
What do Ford V-6's from over 10 years ago have to do with current Duratec 37's? I have never heard of or read about any major problems with the Duratec. I am no Ford fan by any stretch. I will have to ask my buddy, he is a Ford dealer mechanic.
06-03-2013, 11:05 AM
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Towing a 48ft trailer loaded with 30,000lbs of produce with a big rig is potentially dangerous.
I may be wrong as well, but it doesn't appear that the majority of "casual towers" in Europe are towing offroading vehicles loaded down with gear. It's more likely 1,500lb or less campers. My point is that the average weight towed for an American is higher than for a European.
I may be wrong as well, but it doesn't appear that the majority of "casual towers" in Europe are towing offroading vehicles loaded down with gear. It's more likely 1,500lb or less campers. My point is that the average weight towed for an American is higher than for a European.
Well driving is potentially dangerous but using the wrong equipment for the job makes things even more dangerous and is illegal.
And I have no clue what Europeans tow or do not tow. But I am sure they only work with what they have and can afford, it has nothing to do with us muricans being "towing snobs".
06-03-2013, 11:08 AM
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There is more than one way to "have the proper equipment for the job". A big rig doesn't outweigh it's trailer but can handle it because it has been properly equipped to deal with it. This same theory can apply to light weight vehicles as well, and when the prices, taxes, and culture are completely against big vehicles, it makes sense that people living in that environment have figured out how to do it reliably, and do it regularly.
06-03-2013, 11:11 AM
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I would pay money to see a Mazda 6 towing 3900lbs. My fathers Nissan Titan had a 9500lb tow rating and struggled to tow a Jeep, gear and trailer totaling far less (5,000-6,000 lb give or take) than 9500lbs from Texas to Moab, UT. I think we averaged like 7MPG and it was the scariest drive I have ever experienced up a mountain pass. Oh and it had an air ride in the rear and a goose neck hitch.
With his twin turbo Diesel F250 you hardly even know it is back there regardless of road conditions, wind, etc. and still get 16-17MPG.
06-03-2013, 11:18 AM
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europeans wont tow what you and i would tow ie: two jetskis a boat a camper or a broken down mazda, they would also use 4 banger trucks like the old mazda b2000 was it? the toyotas you know which ones im talking about, the ones all the mexicans keep buying. put half their **** in there and tow a small trailer carrying the rest
if you were driving up to the lake and you saw a toyota echo towing two jetskis you would look at the person like he was crazy for not using a truck. goes back to wat i sed before....
we were taught a certain way, conditioned
gettin a car? get the big block
towing ****? get a truck
all conditioned
if you were driving up to the lake and you saw a toyota echo towing two jetskis you would look at the person like he was crazy for not using a truck. goes back to wat i sed before....
we were taught a certain way, conditioned
gettin a car? get the big block
towing ****? get a truck
all conditioned
06-03-2013, 11:18 AM
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06-03-2013, 11:21 AM
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There is more than one way to "have the proper equipment for the job". A big rig doesn't outweigh it's trailer but can handle it because it has been properly equipped to deal with it. This same theory can apply to light weight vehicles as well, and when the prices, taxes, and culture are completely against big vehicles, it makes sense that people living in that environment have figured out how to do it reliably, and do it regularly.
I would love to see you equip your Miata to tow a horse trailer,
. And I know why they don't have big vehicles in Eurapoe, that is not the point. The point you initially made insinuated that anyone who drives a truck doesn't need too and is a snob. Maybe in your neck of the woods truck owners are snobs but down here trucks are used every single day to haul horse, hay, cattle, construction equipment, dirt, materials, etc. etc. etc. I find it funny that a Miata owner would stereotype a truck owner.
06-03-2013, 11:27 AM
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europeans wont tow what you and i would tow ie: two jetskis a boat a camper or a broken down mazda, they would also use 4 banger trucks like the old mazda b2000 was it? the toyotas you know which ones im talking about, the ones all the mexicans keep buying. put half their **** in there and tow a small trailer carrying the rest
if you were driving up to the lake and you saw a toyota echo towing two jetskis you would look at the person like he was crazy for not using a truck. goes back to wat i sed before....
we were taught a certain way, conditioned
gettin a car? get the big block
towing ****? get a truck
all conditioned
if you were driving up to the lake and you saw a toyota echo towing two jetskis you would look at the person like he was crazy for not using a truck. goes back to wat i sed before....
we were taught a certain way, conditioned
gettin a car? get the big block
towing ****? get a truck
all conditioned
Yeah we have the people towing heavier loaded down vehicles with a small vehicles to the border cities and they have been cracking down on them due to the many accidents that have happened. It's pretty scary to see a FWD minivan towing two cars behind it loaded with crap. I used to spend a lot of time on the highway and I saw some scary incidents with vehicles like this.
06-03-2013, 11:29 AM
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I would love to see you equip your Miata to tow a horse trailer, . And I know why they don't have big vehicles in Eurapoe, that is not the point. The point you initially made insinuated that anyone who drives a truck doesn't need too and is a snob. Maybe in your neck of the woods truck owners are snobs but down here trucks are used every single day to haul horse, hay, cattle, construction equipment, dirt, materials, etc. etc. etc. I find it funny that a Miata owner would stereotype a truck owner.
. And I know why they don't have big vehicles in Eurapoe, that is not the point. The point you initially made insinuated that anyone who drives a truck doesn't need too and is a snob. Maybe in your neck of the woods truck owners are snobs but down here trucks are used every single day to haul horse, hay, cattle, construction equipment, dirt, materials, etc. etc. etc. I find it funny that a Miata owner would stereotype a truck owner.
I fully understand the point of the working trucks, or any vehicle that is purchased with a purpose and is used for that purpose. I have zero objection to that at all.
I simply see that flat refusing to believe that something is possible without taking into consideration the wildly different environment, culture, costs, availability, available equipment, laws, regulations, etc... is pretty short sighted.
06-03-2013, 11:32 AM
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I sure do see the constant e-peen contest over how big of a tow vehicle you have in your stable. Same type of contest as the horsepower contest. And yes, it is a type of snobbery
I fully understand the point of the working trucks, or any vehicle that is purchased with a purpose and is used for that purpose. I have zero objection to that at all.
I simply see that flat refusing to believe that something is possible without taking into consideration the wildly different environment, culture, costs, availability, available equipment, laws, regulations, etc... is pretty short sighted.
I fully understand the point of the working trucks, or any vehicle that is purchased with a purpose and is used for that purpose. I have zero objection to that at all.
I simply see that flat refusing to believe that something is possible without taking into consideration the wildly different environment, culture, costs, availability, available equipment, laws, regulations, etc... is pretty short sighted.
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06-03-2013, 11:36 AM
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Yeah we have the people towing heavier loaded down vehicles with a small vehicles to the border cities and they have been cracking down on them due to the many accidents that have happened. It's pretty scary to see a FWD minivan towing two cars behind it loaded with crap. I used to spend a lot of time on the highway and I saw some scary incidents with vehicles like this.
06-03-2013, 11:37 AM
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Yes, my 1.3L engine wasn't enough compensation...
It's everywhere. Forums, including this one (in this very thread even?) to commercials, to discussions on track competition forums, to people chatting in person, etc... It's simply an extension of the common American 'bigger is better' mentality.
The last Miata I saw being towed was being towed by a Pacifica IRC. Though it has a Ford 302 engine in it, so maybe it wasn't a Miata any more.
06-03-2013, 11:42 AM
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i've checked some english site...
i assure that something like that happens everyday in EU. i see them everyday in highway , maybe not 3900lbs but at least 3000..normal..i see it every day.
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06-03-2013, 11:53 AM
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ok on a more serious note yes the 6 can tow 3k lbs but thats the limit and your low torque and low hp means that the car will be struggling, over heating and possibly exploding trying to move 3000lbs up a incline
just because IT CAN doesnt mean IT SHOULD
our renesis can rev up to 13k so why dont we ever take it there?
cuz it will BREAK
just because IT CAN doesnt mean IT SHOULD
our renesis can rev up to 13k so why dont we ever take it there?
cuz it will BREAK
06-03-2013, 12:01 PM
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Mazda6 Estate Scoops Yet Another Award
The Mazda6 Estate impressed the judges in the £16,501 To £20,000 Class: “It made a mighty fine job of towing with faultless stability, one of the best handbrakes in this year’s Competition and a gearbox with six well-chosen ratios and a nice action that makes you want to make the most of them.
“A sensible shape, with plenty of carrying capacity and a decent noseweight limit makes this a great towcar,”