MattMPS

important=largest for me.

outside US+CAN very few accord sedan (or Camry) are sold with a V6 under the hood.

diesel is becoming important (more and less) everywhere.

i agree that US is more oriented to good mpg's than just 10 years ago, but don't explain to me..explain this to some other US user of the forum.

Mazda have CUTTED V6 engine GLOBALLY. Cx9 is what is remaining for some years.

V6 in family sedans are becoming dinosaurs.

10 years ago v6 gas engines was available for much many more models also in EU (first example that i remember.... Citroen C5, but i have a lot of cases)

EDIT: BMW (EUROPE) : 10 years ago straight in line 6 was in 2.0-2.5-3.0 form. .....now survives only in 3.0 form.

-_- just.gimme.my.ticket

ok i think i see what youre trying to get across now

basically about 9ks comment about why not compare the v6 accord to the mazda6
and your answer was because the v6 is irrelevant in the markets at this point in time for mazda so comparing the fuel efficient models was the only logical comparison because you cant compare a v6 to something that doesnt exist or even a v6 to a v4 just like we dont like our 1.3's compared to 3.9s

MattMPS

more and less....yes.

basically for SOME of you US customer the difference between a v6 and same model with a 4 banger is small. (purchasing/mileage/whole costs)

is NOT in this way OUTSIDE US. for me a 6 v6 is absolutely NON PURCHASABLE (purchasing/mileage/whole costs) and in general term USELESS, and the same thing is for the Average Joe in EU (i mean whole continent-not only Euro area), in Asia (including Japan), and a lot of more countries.

this is about speaking about gas engines...there are toughts to do about diesels and hybrids.

basically only you americans are still buying V6 midsize sedans...but (i think) LESS than just 10 years ago...why investing in it?

-_- just.gimme.my.ticket

i can see why arent gas prices in europe up to like 6 7 bux a gallon? my cousin actually switched his car to run on propane over there i hear its popular.
also dont you pay an emission tax or something in europe depending on engine size per liter? in the u.s a v6 gets no extra taxes unless it has really horrible mpg like the gtr

but why do americans invest in the bigger v-6 engine? the same reason why we see a base model v6 challenger as **** and the srt-8 as awsome......power

if im looking at a bmw i want the m5 not the 535 but im not going to pay ridiculous taxes like you will in europe

remember what americans grew up with.....muscle cars, cub inches, they were taught bigger is better

MattMPS

Ok, you're right.

But in today's world US market (especially for "normal" cars, like sedans) is less important than 10 or 20 years ago. because the world outside US is increased in demand and economic possibility.

World outside US think about a midsize sedan in different terms than US customers.

that's why Mazda have axed V6s

pdxhak

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I still want a RWD 6 cyl 6sp 6 wagon with 300+ HP. I grew loving inline 6 cyl engines for the sound they produced. More power than a 4 cyl and more efficient than a 8 cyl.

9krpmrx8

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And they typically get good gas mileage as well. My GF just got rid of her 2010 Mazda 3 and it averaged about 22MPG in the city and she drives like an old lady. It was a great car but the only time you could eek more than 29MPG out of it was on the toll way with the cruise set at 70MPH with no traffic. My company vehicle is a fully loaded 2006 Honda Odyssey Touring and it gets similar mileage thanks to cylinder deactivation.

MattMPS

yes. but is a different car than current one..is a Mazda9 IMHO... a real 535i competitor (example)

in this "size" (you call "mid", we call "sub-big") 4 in line and DIESELS are playing a big role...

9krpmrx8

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In the U.S. our diesels play a big roll too. In 3/4 ton pick ups, towing our boats, campers, Jeeps, and race cars.

MattMPS

yes, another good motivation for you US to prefer a v6 than a 4 banger, more towing power.

some manufacturer are providing midsize sedans diesel also for this purpose....to replace a v6 gas for towing....

9krpmrx8

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In the U.S. we don't use cars for towing.

MattMPS

is illegal? or are considered too small?

RIWWP

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No, it's one of those 'truck' things. "Towing snobbery" if you will. Having a bigger tow vehicle is some sort of status symbol to people that care.

It is also difficult to find anyone willing to tow anything small, since small isn't very "American". Which towing something bigger does generally mandate a larger towing vehicle.

MattMPS

i love this forum....i'm learning a lot of things about "modern americans".

in some things you are "hyper-rational" and "plain and straight", in others you act like a 13 years old teenager

RIWWP

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That probably defines every culture

9krpmrx8

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It's not a "truck thing", it's a physics thing. Try towing a trailer, Jeep, and gear a 1000 miles thru mountains, etc. with a car or cute ute.

RIWWP

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Regarding the V6 debate:

Mazda "dropped" the V6 because it was a Ford engine, and they have split ways with Ford. None of the modern V6s were Mazda designed, developed, or produced. They aren't going to start trying now. Cutting out the V6s is simply not willing to still be relying on Ford. It wasn't a very reliable V6 either (as compared to other V6s out there)

pdxhak

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Just like the rest of the world.

RIWWP

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You largely made my point

Europe isn't doing that. They aren't towing that much weight to begin with. It remains a physics thing, as you say. They don't need bigger tow vehicles because they aren't towing bigger vehicles.

I don't think anyone in the EU would suggest towing that much with a car.


Edit: Not to mention 1,000 miles in Europe is very nearly one side to the other. Paris to the Romanian border is 1,000 miles, as an example. Rome to Hamburg. Distance isn't as big of a factor either.

9krpmrx8

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I don't recall any real reliability issues with the late model Duratec's. The latest Mustang version puts out 305HP. A RWD Mazda 6 with a 305HP V-6? If I was looking for a mid sized sedan that would be attractive.

MattMPS

well..we have some taxes and some law for stopping act like a 13teen. but in general terms you are correct.

car here in EU are an ATM for goverments, it seem to me a lot less in US....

RIWWP

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I've seen quite a bit, around various communities that I have to keep tabs on for work, plus the actual information i get through work channels. The replacement rate for the early 2000s V6s has been significant. Perhaps not as high as a rotary, but certainly far from simple periodic owner negligence.

One of the members on here was ranting about constantly doing V6 engine replacements at the dealer he worked at (as an example, i'll see if i can find it)

9krpmrx8

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So they don't need a truck to tow 3,000lb car/off road vehicle, people, and gear? They don't all drive stripped down VW Polo's. And this distance I stated was just a number I threw out, even a 300 mile trip towing a 3,000lb car with another car or car based ute would suck *** and be potentially dangerous.

pdxhak

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A 5 series competitor would be 6cyl and 8 cyl here. What I described would 3 series, A4, ATS competitors.

MattMPS

smaller than a 6 in overall dimensions?

here in EU 60% of 5 series are 4 banger.... 80% of 3 series