playdoh43

ok, everyone wants metallic paint, but most rs4 buyers wouldnt get the premium packadge? please, most owners who drop that kind of money wants the premium pakadge. its a audi, its not a pure sports car.

and no, not everyone wants the sports packadge, its not a sports car, theres plenty of people who dont want the stiff ride. its a daily driver for a lot of people. its a luxury car. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PERFORMANCE OF THE TWO CARS, we are talking about the price of the two cars, and whether people who are shopping for the 335 would fork the extra money and get a RS4

playdoh43

seems to me you knew the pricing all along since your first posts yet still managed to change the figure afterward to 60-65k

playdoh43

thats why I said what I said because I didnt understand the point behind it, that dosnt mean I knew it was a typo. and I didnt call you names or insult you in return after you called me names

playdoh43

from what i see, the premium packadge is not the only option available, theres several more, such as apperance related options and some arnt priced yet while others are

playdoh43

all i have to say is, youve been doing some crazy number bending to make your argument look good. if I did what you did, I could have said, hey I NEED the premium packadge and the roof rack and the splash guards on the rs4 because its a luxury car too and i like to look pimpin, ohh dont forget about the exclusivity of it, thus commanding a nice dealer markup compared to hte 335 which is way more common and you can get for msrp if not lower. and then theres the gas guzzler tax and the luxury tax, ohh yeah and the insurance... as for the 335i ohh i dont need any options, so 40.6k sounds good to me since its just a daily driver. ok so after tax and the markups its 43k vs 100k (M5 markup ) , yay, i manipulated the numbers to make my argument look good. yay.

j/k im going to bed, im an *** you win yay!!!
i took a nap earlier and couldnt sleep so i got bored. sorry if i got you frustrated. im just messing with ya, except for the typo part

Detrich

umm... nice thread.

Japan8

I'll give you that point. Most people buying in this range would want all the options on either car. But as I said... that still changes nothing... $50k vs $70k. Still a $20k spread.

And in the beginning we WERE talking about the performance of the cars... why did I even bother to post the Top Gear stuff about the M3 vs RS4 and RS4 review?

Huh? I said in the beginning that it was $60-65k and so? Are you insinuate that I said that knowing it started at $66k to make my arguement look better? Go ahead... be a man and say it straight.

Ok... we're clear here now. Your response came across as an insult. If that wasn't your intention, then I was in the wrong.

Come on... standard/free options... you really are going to nit pick about that? They don't change the bottom line... so do they really matter so much in a pricing discussion? Or maybe they do... if you consider the need to add costly items to the BMW to match the Audi...

Actually I wanted the pricing of both cars with bare minimum options... like sports package. When the whole pricing thing stated... I was going from memory and comments some people made when looking at BMW's... I didn't take into account that some were actually giving full loaded prices. Although in the end you are right that both fully loaded should be compared... most will option is similarly and it helps to cut back on mistakes.

Hey... it's 5pm here. SO of course I'm still up. Yes you were starting to frustrate me at times... but it's cool... no worries.

playdoh43

(in little John's serious voice from chapell show) it is precisely what I am trying to say you said the 66k figure before you said the 60-65k figure.
allow me to demonstrate,

post number 23 is the first time you mentione the 66k figure muuahahahaahahahahahaha

now, the first time you mention the 60-65k figure is here post # 26 suggesting you knowingly said that to make your argument look better considering you want the price difference to be as low as possible. this is further substantiated when you were also refering the 335 as a 50k car at the time fully loaded+tax vs base MSRP of rs4 before tax further shrinking the price difference

muahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha muahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
aaaaaaaheughhuuuuuuuuug <caugh> <caugh> <drops dead>

playdoh43

ok took my shower, ready to hit the sack, im just joking around, I know in your original statement you already said that its a 20k difference. im just making **** up :p, peace out bro.

Japan8

Yeah that was after i looked it up on Audi's site.

Actually $50k isn't including tax. That's just MSRP fully loaded.

Uh... it may sound fishy, but I wasn't directly referring to just the price of the RS4. I can see it is easy to assume and I should have worded it differently... the point was just a $45-50k car vs a $60-65k car (in the RS4's case more like $66-70k). I was just picking numbers close to the RS4's price. I should have either been more clear or just used the actual MSRP prices for the RS4.

It's all good. A little debate is nice... you'll get little of it once you get out of school.

m477

Don't feed the trolls.

Ike

Reading comprehension > You

sunilseru

OK people, the RS4 does not belong here. I'd rather buy a used 911 turbo for that kind of money. Just saying, not that I would do it. E46 M3, sure, because a slightly used one is in the same price range.

Coming back to the topic, one of the local dealers quoted me MSRP - 1500 to start with via email. Another one said that he can take an order at MSRP - 1000. So there is some room to negotiate? The 335i coupe starts at 40.6K. So with a lot of negotiation and some luck, it might be possible to get one with premium package OTD for 45K... wishful thinking We pay 8.25% sales tax here in Cali.

A BMW dealer in Chicago offered me a 6 speed 2006 M3 with Comp package and premium package with about 3K miles for $49995. Guess the resale value of the E46 M3s are coming down because of the 335i.

sunilseru

About the interior, it is pretty good for the most part. But I have to agree with the posts that say BMW is using cheap plastics. The front cupholders look really flimsy. And those robotic arms that hand you the seatbelt - nice touch but it looks like it came from a Walmart autoparts aisle. The steering felt very nice, which for me is the most important thing. Now if only I can find an 6 speed to test-drive....

Feras

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the six speed is silky man...i'm actually 40% convinced the six speed is actually an SMG with a fake clutch pedal lol. (the clutch has practically no resistance)

sunilseru

hey, how is the throw? longer/shorter than the 8? the E46 manuals have a pretty long throw. I am not a big fan of those. but the Z4s are much better. nowhere close to the S2000, but it is fine.

Some owners say that the shifter is a little notchy. wonder what they really mean.

playdoh43

it is indeed a bit notchy compared to my moms E46 325, but thats usually natural for cars with high torque to have less smooth shifter. its still a long ways better than my g35 coupe's shifter. its easier to make the shifter smoother on a low torque car like the s2k or rx8, the 335 shifter is at the top of the class compared to other cars with similar power and torque. i only testdrove it once around a month ago, so i dont have a 100% image in my head.. but from what i remember its smoother than E46 M3. or maybe im imagining it since i drive the M3 fairly often on weekends and i tend to pick up the little quirks and they stays in my head. eitherway the 335 shifter is easily the best in class

Feras

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the throw is a bit longer than the 8s but i'll say its smoother...its very effortless and engages cleanly. That may be because there are only 200 miles on the clock, because the test drive i went on did not have as smooth a shift if i recall.

Brettus

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I'm not going to get personal but this should have the desired effect


RX8 > EVO

sauceyI986

Went to bmw and 07 3series coupe is pretty nice also the car has twin turbos which are small but deal said they can re chip the car to make about 340hp i only wish my 8 had that much to me rx-8 are nice but now every thing that is comming out seem to be faster.

sunilseru

They had the 6-speed at the LA auto show. The clutch is almost like the RX-8. Maybe slightly lighter. The gearbox felt ok. Light, but pretty long throws. Hopefully somebody comes up with a nice aftermarket short-shifter.

The clutch on the Z4 M coupe surprised me. A lot of people say that it is too heavy/stiff for daily driving. It did not feel that way at all... The shifter on the other hand was pretty notchy.

Ofcourse in both cases, the engines weren't running, not the most accurate test.

Digital_Damage

Over priced, with all the issues they had with the M3 it should be interesting to see what happens to the 335

TODreamer

50K US?

cant be.. thats what it is in CDN

map

This may seem odd but I'm actually trying to decide between an RX8 and the 335 sedan. The 335 has more power, better dealers, high resale, better reliability (no rotary headaches anyway), lower maintenance schedule, but costs $40k (as i would equip it with euro-delivery). I'm just worried i'd be driving just another boring sedan around town, and that it won't be as much fun to drive as an RX-8. Not to mention the extra $10k I'd still have in my pocket. Tough decisions.

335 sedan + sport package vs. 06 copper red shinka I'm talking to a dealer about

Brettus

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If the 8 had the same power it would not be a contest . can see your dilema .....