American Cars @ 8000 + RPM
08-14-2009, 08:30 PM
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I keep on reading people say the Renesis is:
rpm gauge / 3
Therefore, those same people should keep repeating 238 hp at 3000 rpm. Where are they? They just talk and disappear to nowhere.
rpm gauge / 3
Therefore, those same people should keep repeating 238 hp at 3000 rpm. Where are they? They just talk and disappear to nowhere.
08-15-2009, 08:26 AM
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With a piston engine, even for this example a 4 cylinder, 4 ignitions * 6,500 RPM = 26,000 fires per minute.
Now, someone can feel free to correct any math or mistakes I have made. But in the end, does it matter? Nope. You either have power or you dont, doesnt matter where it is in the power band or how hard your motor has to work to make it.
08-15-2009, 01:33 PM
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The Chrysler Turbine car from 1963 had a 60,000 rpm redline
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Turbine_Car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IF0VbUb_Ug
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Turbine_Car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IF0VbUb_Ug
08-15-2009, 08:22 PM
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The Chrysler Turbine car from 1963 had a 60,000 rpm redline
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Turbine_Car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IF0VbUb_Ug
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Turbine_Car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IF0VbUb_Ug
08-15-2009, 10:14 PM
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Well, technically, in our motors at 9k RPM the rotor is only traveling at 3k RPM. BUT, with three rotor faces you are experiencing 9k ignitions per minute, per rotor, so for our motors we are talking 18,000 fires per minute.
With a piston engine, even for this example a 4 cylinder, 4 ignitions * 6,500 RPM = 26,000 fires per minute.
Now, someone can feel free to correct any math or mistakes I have made. But in the end, does it matter? Nope. You either have power or you dont, doesnt matter where it is in the power band or how hard your motor has to work to make it.
With a piston engine, even for this example a 4 cylinder, 4 ignitions * 6,500 RPM = 26,000 fires per minute.
Now, someone can feel free to correct any math or mistakes I have made. But in the end, does it matter? Nope. You either have power or you dont, doesnt matter where it is in the power band or how hard your motor has to work to make it.
08-16-2009, 07:59 PM
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One thing I will say against the American manufacuteres is that they really aren't competing at all for me as a customer. I just purchased a brand new car and what I was in the market for was a sports car for $40,000 or less. I consider being willing to pay up to $40,000 to be a respectable budget and with over 10 American brands, one would think that I would have had tons of American competition for my money.
Unfortunately, the only American made sports car I could find in this price range is the Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky. I test drove a Solstice GXP and really liked the car, but absolutely hated the 5 speed transmission that GM got from their parts bin. I am really a sports car guy and have no interest in performance sedans or pony cars. I really wish America would make more sports cars; but then again, I think all manufactures should make more sports cars.
Unfortunately, the only American made sports car I could find in this price range is the Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky. I test drove a Solstice GXP and really liked the car, but absolutely hated the 5 speed transmission that GM got from their parts bin. I am really a sports car guy and have no interest in performance sedans or pony cars. I really wish America would make more sports cars; but then again, I think all manufactures should make more sports cars.
08-17-2009, 08:00 AM
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They all have sports cars that are under $40k... They just might not fit what you are looking for.
The american manufacturers are focusing on what sells to everyone right now, not just a niche market. They gotta get their heads above water before they can start belting out specialty vehicles.
The american manufacturers are focusing on what sells to everyone right now, not just a niche market. They gotta get their heads above water before they can start belting out specialty vehicles.
08-17-2009, 02:23 PM
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One thing I will say against the American manufacuteres is that they really aren't competing at all for me as a customer. I just purchased a brand new car and what I was in the market for was a sports car for $40,000 or less. I consider being willing to pay up to $40,000 to be a respectable budget and with over 10 American brands, one would think that I would have had tons of American competition for my money.
Unfortunately, the only American made sports car I could find in this price range is the Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky. I test drove a Solstice GXP and really liked the car, but absolutely hated the 5 speed transmission that GM got from their parts bin. I am really a sports car guy and have no interest in performance sedans or pony cars. I really wish America would make more sports cars; but then again, I think all manufactures should make more sports cars.
Unfortunately, the only American made sports car I could find in this price range is the Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky. I test drove a Solstice GXP and really liked the car, but absolutely hated the 5 speed transmission that GM got from their parts bin. I am really a sports car guy and have no interest in performance sedans or pony cars. I really wish America would make more sports cars; but then again, I think all manufactures should make more sports cars.
08-18-2009, 01:26 PM
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One thing I will say against the American manufacuteres is that they really aren't competing at all for me as a customer. I just purchased a brand new car and what I was in the market for was a sports car for $40,000 or less. I consider being willing to pay up to $40,000 to be a respectable budget and with over 10 American brands, one would think that I would have had tons of American competition for my money.
Unfortunately, the only American made sports car I could find in this price range is the Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky. I test drove a Solstice GXP and really liked the car, but absolutely hated the 5 speed transmission that GM got from their parts bin. I am really a sports car guy and have no interest in performance sedans or pony cars. I really wish America would make more sports cars; but then again, I think all manufactures should make more sports cars.
Unfortunately, the only American made sports car I could find in this price range is the Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky. I test drove a Solstice GXP and really liked the car, but absolutely hated the 5 speed transmission that GM got from their parts bin. I am really a sports car guy and have no interest in performance sedans or pony cars. I really wish America would make more sports cars; but then again, I think all manufactures should make more sports cars.
And I guess I should say I tend to differentiate between what some would all lump into the sports car category. I do not include muscle cars (Mustang, Challenger, etc.) or rally cars (Impreza, Evo, etc.) in my definition of a sports car.
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08-18-2009, 01:35 PM
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^ well you havent driven the new cts ctsv or camaro or fusion sho or NEW mustang or xlrv or g8 gt/gxp ... there are more if i keep thinking but my point is theyre improving and doing great at that so why not give em credit for it ... i know their cars have sucked ***** before but theyre coming back strong ... look at the ctsv it will eat an m5 for nearly half the price handling and power wise
It's Australian.
Fusion, new mustang I don't know anything about.
PS having a high revving engine is fun and all...but i would gladly take a lower rev limit for more hp and torque under the entire curve.
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08-18-2009, 01:57 PM
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Ha ha. Ya I too agree they should have been honest and called it the 2200. Thing is, Honda could have said the motor made about 255 bhp, instead of the same 240 bhp, because according to dynos anyway, the ap2's make about 10 whp over the ap1's. This would have basically retained the original bhp/liter.
08-18-2009, 01:57 PM
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Well the ironic thing about the CTS, Camaro, and G8...is the chassis is not American at all!
It's Australian.
Fusion, new mustang I don't know anything about.
PS having a high revving engine is fun and all...but i would gladly take a lower rev limit for more hp and torque under the entire curve.
It's Australian.
Fusion, new mustang I don't know anything about.
PS having a high revving engine is fun and all...but i would gladly take a lower rev limit for more hp and torque under the entire curve.
08-20-2009, 09:13 PM
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I had a Dodge 340 that would turn 7500 rpm, a friend had a Chevy 301 (Yeah 301) that would turn 9800 rpm.
No, they were not stock internally, you could not tell from the outside though....
No, they were not stock internally, you could not tell from the outside though....
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