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displacement really dosnt mean that much, all that matters is output, weight, size/dimensions, and fuel economy. OHV engines wins in most of those departments.
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CHEVROLET CAMARO CONCEPT:
CAPTURING THE TIMELESS SPIRIT OF CAMARO
* Thoroughly modern interpretation of the classic sport coupe
* Dramatic design, responsive performance
DETROIT – Combining dramatic design and exciting performance, the Chevrolet Camaro Concept recaptures the spirit of one of the most popular sport coupes of all time and redefines the Camaro for new generations of fans.
The Camaro Concept embodies the performance and passion that have made first-generation Camaros some of the most sought-after collector cars, updating the formula with a fuel-efficient powertrain, sophisticated chassis and contemporary design execution. The goal is to make the sport coupe relevant to younger enthusiasts while retaining its appeal to its current fans.
“Millions of people of all ages fell in love with the Camaro for all of the right reasons,” said Ed Welburn, GM vice president, global design. “Camaros were beautiful to look at and offered performance that could rival expensive European GTs. Yet they were practical enough to drive every day and priced within the reach of many new car buyers.”
Though only a show car at this point, the Camaro Concept is intended to explore customer reaction to design and engineering elements that might lead to an all-new version of the Camaro.
The long hood, short deck and wide stance of the Camaro Concept leave no doubt that it is a serious performance car. Those looks are backed up by a 400-horsepower aluminum small-bock V-8, a six-speed manual transmission, and a sophisticated chassis with four-wheel independent suspension.
Like its forebears, the Camaro Concept would be practical enough for everyday use. It features fuel-saving features like Active Fuel Management™ cylinder deactivation technology, yielding highway fuel economy of 30 mpg or better. Its overall size is a comfortable fit for city streets and suburban parking lots, and its back seat provides occasional seating for two adults.
Lean, muscular design
Because of Camaro’s powerful heritage, the GM Design team chose a theme that pays homage to the original Camaro, while being instantly recognizable as an all-new car.
Said Bob Boniface, director of the Warren Advanced Design Studio, “The fact that the Camaro has been out of production for a number of years made it particularly important that the Camaro Concept honors the Camaro heritage in the right way.”
The 1969 Camaro, considered by many to be the best first-generation design, was a significant inspiration. But as GM design teams in Warren, Mich., worked on alternatives for the Camaro Concept, they also turned to the latest Corvette and to aircraft like the YF-22, seeking a design that encompasses the spirit that made the 1969 Camaro great, but interprets that spirit in a fresh, exciting way.
“The overall proportions, long hood and powerful fender forms say, ‘This is a front-engine, rear-wheel drive performance vehicle,’ ” said Tom Peters, design director, rear-wheel drive performance cars. The prominent front grille and hood bulge hint at the power of the Corvette-inspired V-8 engine. Large wheels and tires, exposed high-performance brakes and prominent fender shapes signal that the Camaro Concept has the handling and braking to go with the powertrain.
The cockpit of the Camaro nestles between sharply defined fender forms, a design element inspired by fighter planes and the new Corvette. And like any high-performance vehicle, the clean, purposeful design is integral to the aesthetic. “The Camaro Concept isn’t just a styled shape,” said Peters. “The design incorporates what the vehicle needs to perform to its optimum level.”
The same purposeful design is reflected in the interior of the Camaro Concept. The gauges and splash of orange trim hint at classic first-generation Camaros, but the overall design and execution reflect the no-nonsense functionality that drivers expect from a high-performance Chevrolet sports car.
Performance for the real world
The Camaro Concept features the latest generation of GM’s legendary small-block V-8. The 6.0-liter LS2 engine features an aluminum block and heads for light weight, and Active Fuel Management™, which shuts off four cylinders to save fuel when the engine is lightly loaded. This concept version of the LS2 is rated at 400 horsepower, yet it could also deliver more than 30 mpg at highway speeds.
The Camaro Concept’s six-speed manual transmission provides a wide spread of ratios for aggressive acceleration off the line, confident passing and merging and efficient highway cruising.
Modern sports cars are about more than just straight-line speed, so the Camaro Concept features a sophisticated rear-wheel drive chassis. Its independent front and rear suspension features progressive-rate springs and gas-pressurized dampers. Four-wheel vented disc brakes with 14-inch rotors provide confident stopping under all conditions.
Enhancing both the performance and appearance of the Camaro Concept are unique five-spoke cast alloy wheels, 21 inches in the front and 22 inches in the rear.
An American icon
Designed in the mid-1960s, the first-generation Camaro captured the optimism of an era. The Baby Boomers were in their teens, rock-and-roll and Motown ruled the airwaves, and American culture was sweeping the globe.
Like the Impala, Chevelle and Sting Ray, the new Camaro showcased Chevy’s strength of bringing stylish, high-quality cars to a mainstream audience. Its dramatic proportions and graceful lines recalled both the Corvette and the Italian Gran Turismo cars of the era. And its powertrain lineup, which soon included both the potent Z-28 small block and big block 396s and 427s, gave the Camaro the performance to go with its looks.
But what really made the Camaro an American icon was that it was accessible to millions. Chevy sold more than 699,000 Camaros in its first three years. So for every Z-28 taking the checkered flag at the track, there were thousands of less exotic Camaros cruising the drive-ins, picking up the groceries, or taking the family on vacation.
“The Camaro Concept is designed to have that same broad appeal, with unmistakable style, spirit and performance,” said Welburn.
Vehicle type: two-door, four-passenger rear-wheel drive sport coupe
Wheelbase (in / mm): 110.5 / 2806
Length (in / mm): 186.2 / 4730
Width (in / mm): 79.6 / 2022
Height (in / mm): 53 / 1344
Track (in / mm): 63.8 / 1620 front; 63.3 / 1607 rear
Engine: 6.0-L V-8 LS-2, 400 hp / 298 kw, with Active Fuel Management™
Transmission: six-speed manual T56
Suspension: four-wheel independent: MacPherson strut front, multilink rear, progressive rate coil springs, gas-pressurized dampers
Brakes: four-wheel disc, 14” rotors with four-piston calipers
Wheels: cast aluminum, 21” front, 22” rear
Tires: 275/30R21 front, 305/30R22 rear
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January 09, 2006
Auto ShowsOne for the Ages
Camaro Concept Car
Camaro Concept at the 2006 NAIAS
By Bob Lutz
GM Vice Chairman
Well, by now, many of you have seen the hoopla unfold before your very eyes on our webcast (if not, you can view it online), and the secret is finally confirmed: we introduced a Chevrolet Camaro concept car.
If I had a dime for every time I’ve read the word “Camaro” in your comments on this blog in the past year, I could have financed the concept car out of my own pocket! And I would have… I like it that much.
If anything, it proves that we’ve been listening… to the rear-drive faithful… to the Camaro fanatics… and to those who say GM can’t do anything exciting. I think our design staff did a great job on the concept, which really demonstrates the renewed focus on design throughout GM.
Camaro Concept Car
Camaro Concept at the 2006 NAIAS
It recaptures the spirit of the first generation Camaro, one of the most popular sport coupes ever, and redefines it for new generations. But, and this is a big but, it’s not just a retro car, it’s a great design in and of itself. It truly demonstrates passion and performance, inside and out… in everything from the deeply-dished aluminum gauge faces and the three-spoke steering wheel to the 400-horsepower aluminum V8 engine mated to a six-speed manual gearbox. The chassis is also state of the art, with four-wheel independent suspension and four-wheel disc brakes. And don’t forget the big tires, 21 inches up front and 22 inches at the rear.
And for those of you who might say, “Well, the Challenger has 35 hp more,” I would just reply that we have a certified 1OO more on tap from the ZO6 engine, should the need arise.
Make no mistake: We would love to build this car. I would love to have one in my garage. But we cannot commit to it just yet. Circumstances dictate that we have other priorities that come first. For now, we’ll just enjoy what we have, and find out what everybody thinks about it, and we’ll make a final decision on it at our earliest opportunity.
Well, what do you think of it?
CAPTURING THE TIMELESS SPIRIT OF CAMARO
* Thoroughly modern interpretation of the classic sport coupe
* Dramatic design, responsive performance
DETROIT – Combining dramatic design and exciting performance, the Chevrolet Camaro Concept recaptures the spirit of one of the most popular sport coupes of all time and redefines the Camaro for new generations of fans.
The Camaro Concept embodies the performance and passion that have made first-generation Camaros some of the most sought-after collector cars, updating the formula with a fuel-efficient powertrain, sophisticated chassis and contemporary design execution. The goal is to make the sport coupe relevant to younger enthusiasts while retaining its appeal to its current fans.
“Millions of people of all ages fell in love with the Camaro for all of the right reasons,” said Ed Welburn, GM vice president, global design. “Camaros were beautiful to look at and offered performance that could rival expensive European GTs. Yet they were practical enough to drive every day and priced within the reach of many new car buyers.”
Though only a show car at this point, the Camaro Concept is intended to explore customer reaction to design and engineering elements that might lead to an all-new version of the Camaro.
The long hood, short deck and wide stance of the Camaro Concept leave no doubt that it is a serious performance car. Those looks are backed up by a 400-horsepower aluminum small-bock V-8, a six-speed manual transmission, and a sophisticated chassis with four-wheel independent suspension.
Like its forebears, the Camaro Concept would be practical enough for everyday use. It features fuel-saving features like Active Fuel Management™ cylinder deactivation technology, yielding highway fuel economy of 30 mpg or better. Its overall size is a comfortable fit for city streets and suburban parking lots, and its back seat provides occasional seating for two adults.
Lean, muscular design
Because of Camaro’s powerful heritage, the GM Design team chose a theme that pays homage to the original Camaro, while being instantly recognizable as an all-new car.
Said Bob Boniface, director of the Warren Advanced Design Studio, “The fact that the Camaro has been out of production for a number of years made it particularly important that the Camaro Concept honors the Camaro heritage in the right way.”
The 1969 Camaro, considered by many to be the best first-generation design, was a significant inspiration. But as GM design teams in Warren, Mich., worked on alternatives for the Camaro Concept, they also turned to the latest Corvette and to aircraft like the YF-22, seeking a design that encompasses the spirit that made the 1969 Camaro great, but interprets that spirit in a fresh, exciting way.
“The overall proportions, long hood and powerful fender forms say, ‘This is a front-engine, rear-wheel drive performance vehicle,’ ” said Tom Peters, design director, rear-wheel drive performance cars. The prominent front grille and hood bulge hint at the power of the Corvette-inspired V-8 engine. Large wheels and tires, exposed high-performance brakes and prominent fender shapes signal that the Camaro Concept has the handling and braking to go with the powertrain.
The cockpit of the Camaro nestles between sharply defined fender forms, a design element inspired by fighter planes and the new Corvette. And like any high-performance vehicle, the clean, purposeful design is integral to the aesthetic. “The Camaro Concept isn’t just a styled shape,” said Peters. “The design incorporates what the vehicle needs to perform to its optimum level.”
The same purposeful design is reflected in the interior of the Camaro Concept. The gauges and splash of orange trim hint at classic first-generation Camaros, but the overall design and execution reflect the no-nonsense functionality that drivers expect from a high-performance Chevrolet sports car.
Performance for the real world
The Camaro Concept features the latest generation of GM’s legendary small-block V-8. The 6.0-liter LS2 engine features an aluminum block and heads for light weight, and Active Fuel Management™, which shuts off four cylinders to save fuel when the engine is lightly loaded. This concept version of the LS2 is rated at 400 horsepower, yet it could also deliver more than 30 mpg at highway speeds.
The Camaro Concept’s six-speed manual transmission provides a wide spread of ratios for aggressive acceleration off the line, confident passing and merging and efficient highway cruising.
Modern sports cars are about more than just straight-line speed, so the Camaro Concept features a sophisticated rear-wheel drive chassis. Its independent front and rear suspension features progressive-rate springs and gas-pressurized dampers. Four-wheel vented disc brakes with 14-inch rotors provide confident stopping under all conditions.
Enhancing both the performance and appearance of the Camaro Concept are unique five-spoke cast alloy wheels, 21 inches in the front and 22 inches in the rear.
An American icon
Designed in the mid-1960s, the first-generation Camaro captured the optimism of an era. The Baby Boomers were in their teens, rock-and-roll and Motown ruled the airwaves, and American culture was sweeping the globe.
Like the Impala, Chevelle and Sting Ray, the new Camaro showcased Chevy’s strength of bringing stylish, high-quality cars to a mainstream audience. Its dramatic proportions and graceful lines recalled both the Corvette and the Italian Gran Turismo cars of the era. And its powertrain lineup, which soon included both the potent Z-28 small block and big block 396s and 427s, gave the Camaro the performance to go with its looks.
But what really made the Camaro an American icon was that it was accessible to millions. Chevy sold more than 699,000 Camaros in its first three years. So for every Z-28 taking the checkered flag at the track, there were thousands of less exotic Camaros cruising the drive-ins, picking up the groceries, or taking the family on vacation.
“The Camaro Concept is designed to have that same broad appeal, with unmistakable style, spirit and performance,” said Welburn.
Vehicle type: two-door, four-passenger rear-wheel drive sport coupe
Wheelbase (in / mm): 110.5 / 2806
Length (in / mm): 186.2 / 4730
Width (in / mm): 79.6 / 2022
Height (in / mm): 53 / 1344
Track (in / mm): 63.8 / 1620 front; 63.3 / 1607 rear
Engine: 6.0-L V-8 LS-2, 400 hp / 298 kw, with Active Fuel Management™
Transmission: six-speed manual T56
Suspension: four-wheel independent: MacPherson strut front, multilink rear, progressive rate coil springs, gas-pressurized dampers
Brakes: four-wheel disc, 14” rotors with four-piston calipers
Wheels: cast aluminum, 21” front, 22” rear
Tires: 275/30R21 front, 305/30R22 rear
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« A Friendly Reminder | Main
January 09, 2006
Auto ShowsOne for the Ages
Camaro Concept Car
Camaro Concept at the 2006 NAIAS
By Bob Lutz
GM Vice Chairman
Well, by now, many of you have seen the hoopla unfold before your very eyes on our webcast (if not, you can view it online), and the secret is finally confirmed: we introduced a Chevrolet Camaro concept car.
If I had a dime for every time I’ve read the word “Camaro” in your comments on this blog in the past year, I could have financed the concept car out of my own pocket! And I would have… I like it that much.
If anything, it proves that we’ve been listening… to the rear-drive faithful… to the Camaro fanatics… and to those who say GM can’t do anything exciting. I think our design staff did a great job on the concept, which really demonstrates the renewed focus on design throughout GM.
Camaro Concept Car
Camaro Concept at the 2006 NAIAS
It recaptures the spirit of the first generation Camaro, one of the most popular sport coupes ever, and redefines it for new generations. But, and this is a big but, it’s not just a retro car, it’s a great design in and of itself. It truly demonstrates passion and performance, inside and out… in everything from the deeply-dished aluminum gauge faces and the three-spoke steering wheel to the 400-horsepower aluminum V8 engine mated to a six-speed manual gearbox. The chassis is also state of the art, with four-wheel independent suspension and four-wheel disc brakes. And don’t forget the big tires, 21 inches up front and 22 inches at the rear.
And for those of you who might say, “Well, the Challenger has 35 hp more,” I would just reply that we have a certified 1OO more on tap from the ZO6 engine, should the need arise.
Make no mistake: We would love to build this car. I would love to have one in my garage. But we cannot commit to it just yet. Circumstances dictate that we have other priorities that come first. For now, we’ll just enjoy what we have, and find out what everybody thinks about it, and we’ll make a final decision on it at our earliest opportunity.
Well, what do you think of it?
01-10-2006, 09:01 AM
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I agree. So what if it takes more displacement to get the power? Many would say that it's sad that the Cobra has always needed FI to keep up with the competition (at least when they were still around). The pushrod is a simple design that is about as reliable as it gets as it has years upon years of research/maintenance behind it.
3-Rotor Rotary
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GM's LSx V8
While there is much to be said about F-6 or F-4's, in my personal opinion GM's V8 gives you the most power per fuel economy (and is reliable) and the rotary...well, there is just no other engine like it...how can you not fall in love with 9K's? LOL
I love the Viper's V10 too but it's a bit of a hog and GM's V8 is better. Also the Flat engines also are great but I don’t have enough experience with them to know how they feel.
Have they ever made a F-8?
Anyway, my 2 favorite engines are the rotary and GM's LSx V8's.
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It features fuel-saving features like Active Fuel Management™ cylinder deactivation technology, yielding highway fuel economy of 30 mpg or better.
and its back seat provides “occasional” seating for two adults.
While saying it’s for “adults” is a positive sign.
Enhancing both the performance and appearance of the Camaro Concept are unique five-spoke cast alloy wheels, 21 inches in the front and 22 inches in the rear.
And for those of you who might say, “Well, the Challenger has 35 hp more,” I would just reply that we have a certified 1OO more on tap from the ZO6 engine, should the need arise.
What is going on with American sports car’s…instead of reducing weight they are becoming fat hogs, gosh…we are the fattest nation in the history of the world but GOD forbid our cars reflect us that way.
Please…keep this thing at no more than 3,400 pounds.
Transam kid 01…where do I send GM the letter or email telling them to build this car and how I think it should be built????
Weight, no more than 3.4K
Weight distribution/balance, just like our beloved RX8 (as as close as possible) 50/50
Power, no less than 350HP
(400 just sounds like it will cost more $$$ and give them the green light to make it as fat as the Mustang and GTO. Also, it’s reaching into Vette territory, which I think the Camaro should never be in Vette-land)
Rear seats, have to be usable or else it’s wasted space and weight
Looks, keep it just about the same while tweaking the front end and a tweak here and there
Price, 20-28K (V6 to V8, with the entry price for the V8 coming in at 25K)
Handling, MATTERS...Ford did a nice job with the Mustang with a rear axle but with in independent suspenstion you can do even better.
A 30mpg highway V8…that’s just amazing, what does that mean that it might hit 20mpg city????
Build it and the day my RX8 is paid for, I’ll have to have a 3 car garage and pick up a new Camaro.
I really like Mr. Lutz! He gave me the Viper (who started my car crazyness) and now he might help bring us the Camaro back.
01-10-2006, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rx8wannahave
Yup, that's why I say if I could build my own sports car it would have 1 of two engines:
3-Rotor Rotary
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GM's LSx V8
While there is much to be said about F-6 or F-4's, in my personal opinion GM's V8 gives you the most power per fuel economy (and is reliable) and the rotary...well, there is just no other engine like it...how can you not fall in love with 9K's? LOL
I love the Viper's V10 too but it's a bit of a hog and GM's V8 is better. Also the Flat engines also are great but I don’t have enough experience with them to know how they feel.
Have they ever made a F-8?
Anyway, my 2 favorite engines are the rotary and GM's LSx V8's.
3-Rotor Rotary
or
GM's LSx V8
While there is much to be said about F-6 or F-4's, in my personal opinion GM's V8 gives you the most power per fuel economy (and is reliable) and the rotary...well, there is just no other engine like it...how can you not fall in love with 9K's? LOL
I love the Viper's V10 too but it's a bit of a hog and GM's V8 is better. Also the Flat engines also are great but I don’t have enough experience with them to know how they feel.
Have they ever made a F-8?
Anyway, my 2 favorite engines are the rotary and GM's LSx V8's.
o and btw...keep ur eyes pealed for a corvette SS w/an LS9 in there
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Originally Posted by rx8wannahave
Gosh…that LS just keeps getting better…WOW, just WOW!
Huh? Would the seats fold down or something?
While saying it’s for “adults” is a positive sign.
For the love of GOD, we don’t need rims that large. I hope they end up 18’s or no more than 19’s at the most.
No No, Mr. Lutz…we don’t care they have 35 more because their car weighs a disgusting 4,100 pounds. Also, their 8’s can’t get higher than 25mpg city so let them keep their 35HP and just make the new Camaro no heavier than 3,400 pounds.
What is going on with American sports car’s…instead of reducing weight they are becoming fat hogs, gosh…we are the fattest nation in the history of the world but GOD forbid our cars reflect us that way.
Please…keep this thing at no more than 3,400 pounds.
Transam kid 01…where do I send GM the letter or email telling them to build this car and how I think it should be built????
Weight, no more than 3.4K
Weight distribution/balance, just like our beloved RX8 (as as close as possible) 50/50
Power, no less than 350HP
(400 just sounds like it will cost more $$$ and give them the green light to make it as fat as the Mustang and GTO. Also, it’s reaching into Vette territory, which I think the Camaro should never be in Vette-land)
Rear seats, have to be usable or else it’s wasted space and weight
Looks, keep it just about the same while tweaking the front end and a tweak here and there
Price, 20-28K (V6 to V8, with the entry price for the V8 coming in at 25K)
Handling, MATTERS...Ford did a nice job with the Mustang with a rear axle but with in independent suspenstion you can do even better.
A 30mpg highway V8…that’s just amazing, what does that mean that it might hit 20mpg city????
Build it and the day my RX8 is paid for, I’ll have to have a 3 car garage and pick up a new Camaro.
I really like Mr. Lutz! He gave me the Viper (who started my car crazyness) and now he might help bring us the Camaro back.
Huh? Would the seats fold down or something?
While saying it’s for “adults” is a positive sign.
For the love of GOD, we don’t need rims that large. I hope they end up 18’s or no more than 19’s at the most.
No No, Mr. Lutz…we don’t care they have 35 more because their car weighs a disgusting 4,100 pounds. Also, their 8’s can’t get higher than 25mpg city so let them keep their 35HP and just make the new Camaro no heavier than 3,400 pounds.
What is going on with American sports car’s…instead of reducing weight they are becoming fat hogs, gosh…we are the fattest nation in the history of the world but GOD forbid our cars reflect us that way.
Please…keep this thing at no more than 3,400 pounds.
Transam kid 01…where do I send GM the letter or email telling them to build this car and how I think it should be built????
Weight, no more than 3.4K
Weight distribution/balance, just like our beloved RX8 (as as close as possible) 50/50
Power, no less than 350HP
(400 just sounds like it will cost more $$$ and give them the green light to make it as fat as the Mustang and GTO. Also, it’s reaching into Vette territory, which I think the Camaro should never be in Vette-land)
Rear seats, have to be usable or else it’s wasted space and weight
Looks, keep it just about the same while tweaking the front end and a tweak here and there
Price, 20-28K (V6 to V8, with the entry price for the V8 coming in at 25K)
Handling, MATTERS...Ford did a nice job with the Mustang with a rear axle but with in independent suspenstion you can do even better.
A 30mpg highway V8…that’s just amazing, what does that mean that it might hit 20mpg city????
Build it and the day my RX8 is paid for, I’ll have to have a 3 car garage and pick up a new Camaro.
I really like Mr. Lutz! He gave me the Viper (who started my car crazyness) and now he might help bring us the Camaro back.
And i dont think they are that stupid as to put those tires on
50/50 Weight distribution would be VERY difficult to do with that heavy of an engine while keeping curb weight down and then trying to keep the $$ down...dont count on that...you gotta lose out somewhere
$20-28k will NEVER happen, period. If you want that, get a mustang. 30-40k may be more likely. Im not sure yet, no one is frankly.
If they put the vette handling in there, AMAZING!!! If not, it will be easily replaced cuz im sure this will just be another tuned down vette. Keep an eye out for the top of the line...that may just be a C6 in disguise
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Originally Posted by Transam kid 01
o and btw...keep ur eyes pealed for a corvette SS w/an LS9 in there
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Originally Posted by snizzle
I seriously doubt they will ever do a Corvette SS unless it's the rumored "Blue Devil."
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Originally Posted by Transam kid 01
Never say never, b/c so many people doubt the return of the camaro...besides...all everything starts out as is rumor...and thats half the fun
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$20-28k will NEVER happen, period. If you want that, get a mustang. 30-40k may be more likely. Im not sure yet, no one is frankly.
If they priced it that high, they will be making a huge mistake.
I'll have to check our the ls2 forum and sign up.
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Originally Posted by snizzle
It just doesn't make sense unless they get rid of the ZO6 nameplate... not to mention the fact that Chevy is lately bringing shame to the SS nameplate by designating SS on the end of cars like the 240HP Malibu
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Originally Posted by rx8wannahave
Here, I have to disagree...if they price it in the 30-40 range they will make a HUGE mistake. HUGE...the Camaro's competitor is not the Vette...or G35, but the Mustang.
If they priced it that high, they will be making a huge mistake.
I'll have to check our the ls2 forum and sign up.
If they priced it that high, they will be making a huge mistake.
I'll have to check our the ls2 forum and sign up.
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Why do you think that? Didn't you read what you posted....they said several times "affordable", who ever at GM thinks this car should be sold for 30-40 should be fired. These are the type of people that have hurt the company.
Listen up GM, you gave us crappy products for far too long (other than the Vette and a car here and there)...you shouldn't be asking for a premium price when your quality is suspect.
If they make a new Camaro and price it out of the common Joe's price range, they would do a disservice to the Camaro heritage. It wasn't a luxury car...it was a "pony car".
I know it can't be the entry level sports cars they use to be (aka the tC, RSX, etc) but it also can't be a 4 seat Vette.
Who knows...maybe they will never make this car, but again if they price it in the 30-40K range they would be shooting themselves in the foot.
Listen up GM, you gave us crappy products for far too long (other than the Vette and a car here and there)...you shouldn't be asking for a premium price when your quality is suspect.
If they make a new Camaro and price it out of the common Joe's price range, they would do a disservice to the Camaro heritage. It wasn't a luxury car...it was a "pony car".
I know it can't be the entry level sports cars they use to be (aka the tC, RSX, etc) but it also can't be a 4 seat Vette.
Who knows...maybe they will never make this car, but again if they price it in the 30-40K range they would be shooting themselves in the foot.
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Originally Posted by rx8wannahave
Who knows...maybe they will never make this car, but again if they price it in the 30-40K range they would be shooting themselves in the foot.
One of the big reasons that the last gen died was because it was priced too high in comparison to the Mustang. Yes, it was a better (read: faster) car but they priced themselves right out of the target market.
The SS can't go above 30K. They will have to accept the fact that the GT500 is trying to compete with the Vette and be done with it.
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Originally Posted by snizzle
Once again, I agree.... you're on a role today
One of the big reasons that the last gen died was because it was priced too high in comparison to the Mustang. Yes, it was a better (read: faster) car but they priced themselves right out of the target market.
The SS can't go above 30K. They will have to accept the fact that the GT500 is trying to compete with the Vette and be done with it.
One of the big reasons that the last gen died was because it was priced too high in comparison to the Mustang. Yes, it was a better (read: faster) car but they priced themselves right out of the target market.
The SS can't go above 30K. They will have to accept the fact that the GT500 is trying to compete with the Vette and be done with it.
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Originally Posted by rx8wannahave
Why do you think that? Didn't you read what you posted....they said several times "affordable", who ever at GM thinks this car should be sold for 30-40 should be fired. These are the type of people that have hurt the company.
Listen up GM, you gave us crappy products for far too long (other than the Vette and a car here and there)...you shouldn't be asking for a premium price when your quality is suspect.
If they make a new Camaro and price it out of the common Joe's price range, they would do a disservice to the Camaro heritage. It wasn't a luxury car...it was a "pony car".
I know it can't be the entry level sports cars they use to be (aka the tC, RSX, etc) but it also can't be a 4 seat Vette.
Who knows...maybe they will never make this car, but again if they price it in the 30-40K range they would be shooting themselves in the foot.
Listen up GM, you gave us crappy products for far too long (other than the Vette and a car here and there)...you shouldn't be asking for a premium price when your quality is suspect.
If they make a new Camaro and price it out of the common Joe's price range, they would do a disservice to the Camaro heritage. It wasn't a luxury car...it was a "pony car".
I know it can't be the entry level sports cars they use to be (aka the tC, RSX, etc) but it also can't be a 4 seat Vette.
Who knows...maybe they will never make this car, but again if they price it in the 30-40K range they would be shooting themselves in the foot.
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I think everyone needs to go back to the Mustang Concept vs production car and rethink some of their posts. The '09 Camaro (if it even comes to market) is not going to look exactly like the concept....and neither will the Challenger. Stop comparing two concept vehicles to a production car. Ford is the only one that is actually selling the retro muscle car at this time.....and the 2007 Shelby GT500 will kick the **** out of any LS2 powered Camaro that GM could produce in 2007 (which they cannot). If this Camaro comes out in 2009 with a LS2 powerplant.....then they better have 500hp. Why?? Because the Shelby will have been out two years already and Ford will have bumped power to the 500hp range by then. Quit bashing Ford for actually bringing back a car that everyone wanted. GM and Dodge are just trying to play catch-up at this point. You didn't see them throw down the $$$ for R&D on a risky retro car until after they watched Ford profit from the idea.
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Originally Posted by bascho
If this Camaro comes out in 2009 with a LS2 powerplant.....then they better have 500hp. Why?? Because the Shelby will have been out two years already and Ford will have bumped power to the 500hp range by then.
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Once again, I agree.... you're on a role today
One of the big reasons that the last gen died was because it was priced too high in comparison to the Mustang. Yes, it was a better (read: faster) car but they priced themselves right out of the target market.
The SS can't go above 30K. They will have to accept the fact that the GT500 is trying to compete with the Vette and be done with it.
The SS can't go above 30K. They will have to accept the fact that the GT500 is trying to compete with the Vette and be done with it.
You didn't see them throw down the $$$ for R&D on a risky retro car until after they watched Ford profit from the idea.
Ford is selling alot of Mustangs wich is good for their company but the so called GT500 regardless of it's performance will not be worth the price in my book. FORD didn't really have a car to compete with the Vette and since they saw the Camaro die they started chasing the Vette but I will guarantee you that if FORD continues to chase the Vette...the Vette will continue to kill it.
GM...aint allowing the Mustang to surpass the Vette especially since Ford would have to put 600HP in the Shelby to get even close to the Z06 considering it's weight. I hear the GT500 will weigh 3,800 pounds and that's 700 pounds more than the Vette but even if it comes in at 3,500 pounds that's still off by 400 pounds.
Personally, I think Ford is taking a bite out of something it can't chew and regardless of how many people like the retro Mustang it's BUTT ugly compared to a Z06/Vette. (while looks are subjective as you know)
Your right, GM is following Ford's lead with this retro stuff...but FORD didn't start it either, Dodge did so Ford aint the trail blazing company you are making them out as. Frankly, all companies follow at one point or another.
I can't stress enough that I "like" the new Mustang and it's quality overall is much improved (while still cheap inside in some area's and I'm so tired of the box look in the Mustangs). Personally, I'd hit it up in the aftermarket cause I've seen some of their kits and they make the mustang look "mean" which I like. It offers pretty dang good performance for 25K and I truly hope the best for FORD, but if the new Camaro (as it normally has) looks close to this concept (which means better to me) and delivers more performance at the 25K price point I could care less what the GT500 can do costing 15-20K more.
The goal for these cars (if Ford and GM can remember) was offering the best performance at a certain price point, while I know they also had HP wars (which was fun to watch and experience) but I still think it's a mistake to overprice these cars. They aint living up to their heritage by costing 35K and on top of that they don't offer the luxury and quality to justify that price either.
Note: Trans Am kid, remember quality is not owned by price just ask all those lesser priced Honda's and Toyota's. Heck...I just read in a mag that they Land Rover was having all sorts of electrical issues and that dang thing cost $70,000. So...I'm all for quality but it's not price that get's it...it's EFFORT and DETERMINATION.
Die hard fans will overpay gladly, but for those of us common Joe's (most people out there) they aint going to be paying 35K for these cars. Right now, the Mustang has it right...their V8 can be had for 25K...but I hope GM does not make the mistake of offering the return of the Camaro with the same problem that pushed the last one out the door. Price...more so than anything, while quality and aging platform didn't help!
I'm not saying give the car away, these people are running a business...but know your product and customer. I'll bet you one thing, as you know, the GT500 wont be the sales king...the money is in the GT, so listen up GM and don't make the same mistakes. Offer special cars but don't overprice the bread and butter car/price point product.
Just my thoughts on this...