bascho

I wasn't bashing the STi.....just making a comment about how I classify a chicks car. I actually love the Boxer engine and the AWD system of the WRX (I know it's not transverse mounted)......just hate the looks of the car......actually most Subaru products for that matter.

yiksing

Regardless of whether the STI or EVO is on the car list of a true enthuasist or not, the cars and the owners of such cars do not deserve to be labelled "STI...Stats Toy for Imbeciles" and such.

sti_eric

Again, I am very, very rarely "an ***" about the RX-8. Go ahead and look back through the threads I post in. I only ever respond to comments from idiot RX-8 owners like 9291150 and roaddemon who post moronic statments like "the STI is for imbeciles" or the Evo is a "kiddie clown car" with a "cheating turbo". If 9291150 didn't demonstrate his idiocy and complete lack of knowledge so much, then you wouldn't need to hear from me when I am trying to balance his idiocy with facts.

What's really funny about all this is on sites like srtforums, I have defended the RX-8 and been called a Mazda fanboi (go ahead, look it up). I do the same thing over there that I do here...when some idiot opens his big mouth and demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge on a subject, then I step in to give a little balance.

I guess I'm just used to NASIOC, where you are free to post "the other side of the story" without getting labelled a fanboi. Sure there are some fanbois over there (mostly teenage n00bs who don't know any better), but it seems to be a much different, more mature crowd. I'm sure the large number of non-Subaru owners in the OT forum helps this out. But most people over there understand that it's just a SUBARU. I personally would rather be driving an M3 than an STi or an RX-8. It's just a better car. I don't feel the need to bash the M3, however, because I am secure with my purchase.

bascho

I agree with you on this point......neither Mazda or Subaru is building the most desirable cars ever.....they just build really good $30-$35K cars. I would also love to own an M3 or a AMG product........or a 911TT, but right now I can only afford what I have, a Mazda product........and that's ok with me.

saturn

I don't really care if you're President of Mazda. If you call the RX-8 a chick car, you're an ***. And I responded to your "moronic statement" in the same way you responded to others.

I agree with Ike. The car is clearly targeted to women more so than the Evo/STi. But 99% of the world is going to interpret the term "chick car" or "good for chicks" or "prissy and feminine" to be derogatory.

Steiner

He might have you there Eric. I know there's a pillow biter at my work who giggled uncontrollably a few years back when he overheard me calling his red Mazdaspeed Miata a "girl's car" to another coworker. He actually liked it I think.

sti_eric

Of course I meant it to be derogatory! Just wanted to dish it out to you 8 owners like you dish it out to us STi/Evo owners. But that's the only derogatory comment I've made. Oh, and that it looks like the Ambiguously Gay Duo ***** Car. And maybe I said something about it being slow. But that's it, I swear! Now take a look at the derogatory comments coming from the 8 owners.

Just remember this, nobody (Miata owners, VW owners, RSX owners, etc.) think they drive a chick car. But somebody has to be. That's your inspirational nugget for the day.

9291150

Came in for my rum and coke, what a beauty day! Opening my pool in April…praise greenhouse gasses!

…glad to see I irritate you STI guys as much as you irritate me. Anyways, here's the arrogance that I refer to; so I'm not much of an enthusiast because I didn’t consider a STI or Evo eh? Pathetic.

I remember sending Subaru a letter back when they weren’t importing the WRX. I actually have a soft spot for rally cars, my dad used to wrench for the Ford of Europe team before we moved here. But I took a WRX out when they first came in, and realized that the AWD didn’t have the feel I liked. Always a weird transition between understeer and oversteer. Plus, having owned turbos, I hate the inherent way they hang on to revs after a shift, and waiting for the boost to spool is plain annoying. And having taken a 300km round trip to London (Ontario) in a colleague’s STI, I vowed to never buy a car with that stiff a ride. I won’t even get into the fact that IT IS an econocar platform with an econocar interior and body. So I don’t like ‘em, ok?????

But they go to 60 under 5 seconds, so not liking them is TOO HARD to understand for stat jockeys. I’m a bike guy first, so arguing who has the best stats on cars is meaningless to me when even modest bikes can handily dust off any “performance” car. Every generation seems to have a segment that are stat jockeys. I remember the 5.0 guys in my teens were the same types. But in evaluating a car, you don’t even know what you miss. There is a reason why Porsche doesn’t make turbo fours, yet they are still selling comparatively slow Boxters at twice the price. A car is much more than stats, an “enthusiast” would understand this, no?

Ps. Eric, I officially crown you KING OF THE DICKS

sti_eric

Glad to hear it! You made my day! That just tells me that I hit the nail on the head with your slow, feminine RX-8!

So then I guess an insecure, immature, whiny baby like yourself who feels the need to go into every thread and disrepect superior cars must be crowned a worthless sack of ****, no?

sti_eric

You are the only one quoting stats, dumbass. That's twice in this thread that you mentioned that you have a fast bike. Why do you keep bringing up "stat jockeys" when no one but you is talking about stats. Are you that dense?

VikingDJ

Man, get over it already, and stop the ***** envy. I don't have any problem with people criticizing the STI. Hell I do it myself, and I own one. It's about how you do it, and if you want to comment on a car, do it respectfully, and for god's sakes, back up your argument, don't run from it by laying out insults. People may not like the car, but why do they feel the need to rip it rudely? I already know the answer. INSECURITY. Yeah ok, the STI is not pretty. It's also fast reliable, and fun to drive. How can you go wrong with one of these as a second car? The car is flawed, much like the RX8. Every car has flaws. I do however, have problems with personal insults. This isn't about the STI anymore, it's about you being rude and arrogant. I won't resort to laying insults back, but I'm done talking to you, because you really don't have anything constructive to say.
For everyone else. We all have our own preferences regarding cars. Why does everyone have to be so insecure? Constant bashing of a car only means one thing. INSECURITY. This applies to many people, not just one individual. I just don't get the disrespectful, fanboi attitudes. There are lots of cars I'd never buy or want to own, but I am able to look at them and appreciate the intention they are built for. I guess I am a fan of all cars, and I have the ability to ignore negative remarks. I can't however ignore insults, arrogance and ignorance, and the bashing of other cars and their owners to make yourself feel better about your car and yourself. That is generally what takes place on this, and other forums. This guy 9291150 is just another example of that, but being 38 years old, he's in a class by himself.

Steiner

There it is. Summed up in a few words. Half of good conversation is delivery. 90210 whatever has all the tact of Mike Tyson at a weigh-in. You tend to overlook the content when the guy on the soap box has his nose in the air and his eyes closed.

9291150

Hey Viking, burger king let out? You got no cred man, I said one unfair thing about the STI - calling it a stat toy - and you so go off on me. Meanwhile, your STI buddies don't stop with worse comments about the 8, and you say nothing...no cred. How 'bout you avoid me and I'll do the same with you eh?

If any of you have looked though my posts, you've seen me point out 8 flaws. But if you come on an 8 site and CONSTANTLY thrash the 8, I'll let you have it. Don't like it, EAT ME!

...now back to summer...

sti_eric

Seriously, what planet are you on? No one was thrashing the 8. You come into this thread, completely unprovoked, and proceed to call all STi owners imbeciles. You then proceed to call all of us stat jockeys when you are the only one quoting any stats in this thread. Say what you want about people pointing out the flaws of the RX-8, but none of us call you guys imbeciles for owning one.

Now with this post, you are trying to make it sound like we came in here with the sole purpose of bashing the 8 when the truth is, you were the one coming in here with the sole purpose of bashing the STi. Seriously, what planet are you on where you think you are in the right? But, just keep posting. With every post, you make it clearer and clearer that you are nothing more than an insecure, immature, whiny little baby.

Ike

I qualified my statement...


Reading comprehension > You

rxtreme

iTrader: (1)

Allright, I am going to make an effort to get this thread back on the course it originally was intended: An honest opinion of the STi limited: I saw this thing up close and personal at the NY Auto Show and I liked the appearance and equipped options - much better than the "regular" STi's, IMHO. Before I got my 8 (for the 2nd time, recently), I had heavily leaned towards a used EVO MR and did not really consider the STi. Even though performance was similiar, the EVO had done better in most reviews and I just could not get over how ugly the STi was. The new look of this years model and the addition of this Limited Edition really has changed my mind. I would, of course, reserve final judgement until I drove one, but I really liked what Subaru has done with this model. Now, if they only made it in black...:-(

Slick8

Not saying all STI guys are like this, but I getting this "aggressive with ***** envy" vibe from their posts. "My car is faster than yours, yours is so slow..." Is this a projection on having a small peepee?

Ike

My opinion, I liked everything until they got to the heated leather seats and sunroof. I just don't want that crap weighing down my performance car, which is why Blueeyes is correct about the problem with packages. For instance, if I wanted to buy an Evo IX with HIDs like my Evo VIII has I'd have to buy the SSL package which is 3,120 and includes a heavy amp for the stereo, heavier leather seats, and a heavy sunroof.

RazzyBRX-8

Alright...I hear a lot of people say this car is slow.
In my personal opinion, I do not think this car is slow. I can leave traffic FAR FAR behind me shifting before the second port opens up.

Mazda did track tests obviously. Putting the 8 against the 6 (V6) and 3.

Guess who took the holeshot? The six and the three.

Guess who won? The RX-8. If i recall, the mazda6 v6 is very close horsepower wise (what 220 I think the site says and im positive torque is not far from it.) (THIS PORTION WAS PERSONAL OPINION and the track thing was from my friend's father who worked for mazda{currently at suzuki})

I have not driven an STI or EVO. But I personally would take the EVO over the STI just going by looks. They look more aggressive.

I'm only 18, and I am not bashing anything. I chose my RX-8 for many reasons. Feel, comfortability, and I actually test drove the car before I bought it, along with intensive research on them and reviews and what not. I just love the whole feel of the RX-8.

Yeah, that's bias because I have driven neither the STI or the Evolution, and I'm not afraid to admit that. I did however read reviews and looked at specs on both cars. I believe the three cars I was looking at was the RX-8, the Evolution VIII, and I believe the Mazdaspeed6. I just liked the RX-8's features better.

Sorry if this is out of place, but I figured I would break that stereotype of the younger guys "bashing" everyone else's cars that were not a RX-8.

Steiner

Are we reading the same thread?

rxtreme

iTrader: (1)

Yeah, but if the car can still perform close (or the same) as the standard version (talking the STI now), what's the real sacrifice of the package? The whole point of the Limited Edition is to attract a couple of buyers who shy away from the boy-racerish look and feel of the standard STI. We'll wait for the performance numbers to be published, but I am betting they are almost indistinguishable from each other. Besides, unless it is considerably slower than the original, it would be a sacrifice I would be willing to make...Now the price might not be worth the sacrifice, but that is another topic.

sti_eric

So, let me get this straight...you are saying that I am envious of a car that I actually own???

Agreed. If you are interested in those options, maybe you should be looking at a Legacy GT and not an STi.

Japan8

^^ Maybe so.... the Legacy GT is actually pretty quick. The AWD sports sedan review had the Spec B. at 0-60 in 5.1 I believe. The 1/4mi was something like 13.7 I think. Sharing the long block with the STI... it's pretty easy to get it into STI hp numbers.

TODreamer

isnt the RX8 teh FaSt0rzzz11111

Japan8

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32292

I think I'm in love...