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Oh, a Mustang has no speed?

Steiner

The '05 Mustangs had just come out when I was car shopping last winter. Never really even considered it though because it was only a 2 door and it was going to be seeing duty as a daily driver. Just for ***** and giggles though I got some insurance quotes on a GTO I'd been teasing myself with. The rates were high...significantly higher than the Evo...so I'm guessing the same would go for the Mustang. If they're anything like me, I'm also guessing very few Evo owners cross-shop at the Ford dealership (unless it's for a Focus RS at a Ford dealership in Europe LOL). Depending on budget, most Evo owners probably looked at the STi and maybe the SRT-4 before buying their car.

Personally I like the new Mustang. I just wish there wasn't a V6 model on every other street corner. That's not to take anything away from the GT or their owners though. Mustangs have always sold well. It's the preverbial American pony car. It's the tremendous availability of aftermarket parts that make it such a great tuner car. I love the sound of Ford V8's too. Not sure what it is about them...the angle of the V, the firing order or something else...but they sound amazing. It would definately be a great car to own if your budget is under $30k and you're OK with a 2 door. For my V8 fix I'll probably eventually find an old Mopar muscle car (Roadrunner, Duster, Cuda, etc.) and mod the **** out of it since smog is not an issue.

BTW...a streetable Mustang will never be a great handling car. It's just to heavy.

playdoh43

I was wondering how long it would take for you to show up in this thread hehe.
whao im suprised insurance for GTO is higher than EVO. Evo has one of the highest insurance rates in my area.

btw, anything can be a great handling car if you throw enough money into it and willing to gut the **** out of your car. never say never!

Japan8

^^ ditto. I hear that the Mustang's hood (and probably trunk lid) is heavy as hell. Replace it with a CF hood. Get a lighter flywheel, driveshaft, and light weight rims... you'll see some good improvements. If you want to get crazy... dump the backseats and sound deadening and you'll lose some more weight. It may never be "flyweight", but it'll be good enough.

Steiner

Definately. That's why I was carefull to say "streetable", because some of those gutted Mustangs in American GT racing have been cleaning up. They CAN be great handling cars, but at that point it's not a daily driver anymore.

Skunk

I'd take the STi over both, but hey that's why I'm a Scoobie man.

Sure, that V-8 sounds great, but when we sit in a AWD monster and rocket to a neck-snapping 1.6sec 60ft time, that will put a smile on *your* face.

Japan8

^^ yep... and plenty of past and present Mustang owners have enjoyed those "neck-snapping" low 60ft times. AWD not required, nor is the best solution when talking about straight line performance.

Ike

On a drag strip sure, on a street, hell no, unless you're doing burnouts to warmup your drag radials at every stoplight.

Skunk

Show me a stock Mustang GT that can roll a 1.6 60ft and I'll give you a hug. And actually, when you are talking short distance straightline performance (like the quarter-mile) all things being equal, AWD is pretty much ideal.

P.S. Drag slicks do not come stock on Mustand GTs.

Japan8

Let's make this "fair" then. The Evo RS is $29k+ starting while the Mustang GT is only $25k+. I want the difference in mods. Any enthusiast would want to do the same if they made that choice between the two cars. For about $4k you can get the Saleen S/C underrated at 400hp... tested at 400whp. But to keep this really fair... no FI. Bolt-ons only.

This is all I'd need...

1. ECU flasher
2. Cat-back
3. Underdrive pulleys
4. Rear shocks
5. 4.30 gears
6. Mickey Thompson E/T Street tires

Total (with installation) $2,430. Well under the $4k and still NA.

Results?

1.68 60ft times
12.45 @ 107.92 mph 1/4 mi
Source: Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords April 2005

So. You owe me a hug skunk. No drag slicks used. These are street legal radial tires.

No donuts required Ike, but like with any tire... "heating them up" will help traction. Even standard radials won't be able to keep traction with high horsepower/torque and cold tires. Make all things equal... both cars on warm tires, warm road/track. Normally I'd agree with you... AWD is champ, but the 1/4 is owned by live axel RWD.

Steiner

I'll take a bone stock RS to the track, but drag race you with a '72 Duster sporting a 440ci that anybody could buy for $3500. Then after I blow your doors off I'll race you double or nothing through the canyon back home in the RS. See how ricer math works? You can never win. My wife will drive home the Mopar too. It's an automatic...with a 4k RPM torque converter.

You get what you pay for.

therm8

Personally, I doubt many Evo drivers can pull a 1.6 60ft on stock tires either.

Japan8

It's not ricer math. What you posted is ricer math. You could say this thread is ricer math... the Mustang and Evo are different cars that are trying to achieve different things. Even magazines don't compare them. Magazines reguarly strip cars or disqualify them because of price. It's a fair evaluation (price). We are comparing brand new cars. Period. Now if you said get an SRT-4 and mod it... that's different than talking about some old, out-of-warranty POS and modding it. If price doesn't count then we can talk about a Rousch Mustang (stage II or III) or a Saleen Mustang. Price matters.

And as therm8 pointed out... the average driver is not going to pull 1.6sec 60ft in an Evo. Pulling those numbers puts how much of a strain on just a FWd or RWD drivetrain? It's even worse in AWD. Like 8,000 rpm launches in the 8... why the hell would you do that to your car?

Steiner

I'm holding a copy of SPEED magazine in my hand right now in which they compare a Charger SRT-8 against an Evo IX MR...so it does happen.

An Evo owner will have about as much trouble pulling a 1.6 as a Mustang owner will have pulling a 2.1. It's all relative.

Japan8

Oh... the "mods" are also available as options when you get your car new at the dealer...
http://mustang50magazine.com/eventco...0511w_boltons/
http://www.fordracingparts.com./perf...cepackages.asp


Other mods

Suspension
http://mustang50magazine.com/techart..._kwsuspension/
http://www.saleen.com/SC101_Services...10-1300-A11503

FI
http://musclemustangfastfords.com/te...p_0510_saleen/
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...ger/index.html

Full cars
http://musclemustangfastfords.com/fe..._psp_cobra_II/
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...ens/index.html
http://musclemustangfastfords.com/fe..._060100_roush/


SPEED isn't exactly about stock vs stock of comparable/same market cars (like C&D, R&T, MT, Automobile, etc.). It's a mod enthusiasts mag aimed mostly at young import sports car lovers.

Steiner

And if you're willing to drive to Ohio you can buy one of these off the showroom floor...

http://www.buschurracing.com/br-evo.htm

Japan8

Ouch! That thing is fast...

Ike

Fine, make everything equal and put them both out on a street with whatever the temp would be after driving around for 20 miles and normal old performance street tires. The RWD car doesn't have a chance at getting a holeshot assuming they both leave at the same time. Yes the best drag cars in the world are RWD, but IMO the most streetable drag cars in the world are AWD. Find me an 11 second or better RWD car that you can drive through a Wisconsin winter.

DARKMAZ8

I rather have the evo.