05 Legacy Does 0-60 5.5 Seconds!
01-09-2004, 05:22 PM
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Ahh, who cares about the interior, right? That's like peanuts.
The targeted buyer is going to be looking for room for basketballs, softball equipment, and tennis rackets.
IkeWRX, if you're in the wine industry, how come you live in Milwaukee?
The targeted buyer is going to be looking for room for basketballs, softball equipment, and tennis rackets.
IkeWRX, if you're in the wine industry, how come you live in Milwaukee?
01-09-2004, 09:01 PM
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Yep, I'm sure it goes pretty fast - who cares - it's ugly. I think the WRX and EVO are ugly too. If these cars had 140 hp, no one (except cheapskates) would buy one. It appears the new method for selling a mediocre looking car is to make it fast by turbo or supercharging it so people will buy them.
Sorry, but it's my opinion and the same applies to the Neon SRT, the Grand Prix GTP, the PT Turbo and other turds.
Say what you want, but yoy have to give Toyota, Honda and Mazda credit for the Celica, S2000 (and Acura RSX), the Miata and RX-8. THey may not be the fastest cars on the road, but they have fine styling, N/A engines and will always get a turn of the head and look of appreciation by young and old alike.
Sorry, but it's my opinion and the same applies to the Neon SRT, the Grand Prix GTP, the PT Turbo and other turds.
Say what you want, but yoy have to give Toyota, Honda and Mazda credit for the Celica, S2000 (and Acura RSX), the Miata and RX-8. THey may not be the fastest cars on the road, but they have fine styling, N/A engines and will always get a turn of the head and look of appreciation by young and old alike.
01-10-2004, 03:55 AM
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Can you imagine being a professional ADULT being seen driving a WRX STi or an EVO? It's unacceptable.
I had previously thought Ike is around 22 or 23. Just found out he's actually 29, driving a WRX Sti. LOL. Pretty funny.
I had previously thought Ike is around 22 or 23. Just found out he's actually 29, driving a WRX Sti. LOL. Pretty funny.
01-10-2004, 04:38 AM
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I'd have to take the wing off. I kind of like the front end and the scoop of the WRX STi and of this Legacy STi, which look similar to me.
The wing of the WRX is too punk, but the Legacy wing looks more reserved.
The wing of the WRX is too punk, but the Legacy wing looks more reserved.
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01-10-2004, 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by shugaluv34
MONEY! Much thanks, 9-K. You da man! That STI Legacy is killer. I didn't do too well with the price sheet, but then again...I don't read kanji:D Anyway, thanks again.
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MONEY! Much thanks, 9-K. You da man! That STI Legacy is killer. I didn't do too well with the price sheet, but then again...I don't read kanji:D Anyway, thanks again.
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I speak and read Japanese. I will translate what I can if you want. But, my Kanji of course is not the best. But, not shabby either. I went to colledge in Japan.
01-10-2004, 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by Speed-ER doc
I like the seats. Look comfy with good side support. Shifter is kind of Jetsons though.
I like the seats. Look comfy with good side support. Shifter is kind of Jetsons though.
That is the same shifter from the STI WRX.
With a six speed tranny..
01-10-2004, 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by 6speed8
Yep, I'm sure it goes pretty fast - who cares - it's ugly. I think the WRX and EVO are ugly too. If these cars had 140 hp, no one (except cheapskates) would buy one. It appears the new method for selling a mediocre looking car is to make it fast by turbo or supercharging it so people will buy them.
Sorry, but it's my opinion and the same applies to the Neon SRT, the Grand Prix GTP, the PT Turbo and other turds.
Say what you want, but yoy have to give Toyota, Honda and Mazda credit for the Celica, S2000 (and Acura RSX), the Miata and RX-8. THey may not be the fastest cars on the road, but they have fine styling, N/A engines and will always get a turn of the head and look of appreciation by young and old alike.
Yep, I'm sure it goes pretty fast - who cares - it's ugly. I think the WRX and EVO are ugly too. If these cars had 140 hp, no one (except cheapskates) would buy one. It appears the new method for selling a mediocre looking car is to make it fast by turbo or supercharging it so people will buy them.
Sorry, but it's my opinion and the same applies to the Neon SRT, the Grand Prix GTP, the PT Turbo and other turds.
Say what you want, but yoy have to give Toyota, Honda and Mazda credit for the Celica, S2000 (and Acura RSX), the Miata and RX-8. THey may not be the fastest cars on the road, but they have fine styling, N/A engines and will always get a turn of the head and look of appreciation by young and old alike.
The body style has been overhauled for the new model now, alot of people are worried its too subtle..and not agressive enough.
01-10-2004, 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by 9-K Rever
Yeah, but we are talking about a Legacy here not a WRX or EVO. The styleing is much diffrent. No wings or huge fog lights. and the hood scoop is much more refined.
The body style has been overhauled for the new model now, alot of people are worried its too subtle..and not agressive enough.
Yeah, but we are talking about a Legacy here not a WRX or EVO. The styleing is much diffrent. No wings or huge fog lights. and the hood scoop is much more refined.
The body style has been overhauled for the new model now, alot of people are worried its too subtle..and not agressive enough.
01-10-2004, 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by shift_zoom8
Can you imagine being a professional ADULT being seen driving a WRX STi or an EVO? It's unacceptable.
I had previously thought Ike is around 22 or 23. Just found out he's actually 29, driving a WRX Sti. LOL. Pretty funny.
Can you imagine being a professional ADULT being seen driving a WRX STi or an EVO? It's unacceptable.
I had previously thought Ike is around 22 or 23. Just found out he's actually 29, driving a WRX Sti. LOL. Pretty funny.
At 22 I bought a 2001 Subaru Legacy GT 2.5 liter.
I could have bought a IMPREZZA or a CIVIC but that just not me.
At 25 I bough a 33k 2004 RX8. I could have bought a ton of other cars for that money, but I didn't cuz they just don't fit my personal prefrence.
Its all a matter off prefrence.
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01-10-2004, 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by cueball
I agree. The new Legacy is pobably the best looking subaru ever made and is one of the nicestest looking car out there, period.
I agree. The new Legacy is pobably the best looking subaru ever made and is one of the nicestest looking car out there, period.
01-10-2004, 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by 9-K Rever
So what? Alot of working proffesionals have these types of cars. I don't think it has anything to do with age but more personal prefrence.
So what? Alot of working proffesionals have these types of cars. I don't think it has anything to do with age but more personal prefrence.
Maybe at the local "strip club" or the "tune shop" or the movie theater.
There's such a thing as street cred, and such a thing as business cred. We all have to make sacrifices.
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01-10-2004, 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by shift_zoom8
That's a pretty funny comment.
That's a pretty funny comment.
I am not saying that it is as good looking as the RX8, E39 5 series,etc. I am just commenting that the new legacy is very nice looking. And I do think it is the best looking Subaru out there.
01-10-2004, 07:01 PM
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Came across some interesting dialogue on the nasioc forum on a thread about the new Legacy. The following is one post by a member of the forum curious about the RX-8 as it may compare to the new Legacy, and a response to that post by a member who has apparently driven both vehicles. I cut and paste the text for convenience, but you can check out the original source text on the site by clicking on this link:
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Originally posted by gargleblaster
I just spent some time re-reading some of the Legacy material on apexjapan, and I have a question for Paul.
I was thinking tonight about all of this week's events regarding the Legacy and the USDM power rating (or perceived lack thereof), and I thought about all of the articles I've read over the past year about the RX-8. Generally, every review/article on the RX-8 comes to the same conclusion, which is along the lines of "in spite of the low power numbers on paper, the extreme balance and contol the car offers makes it an extremely satisfying vehicle for those looking for a pure driving experience." I had a look at your counterpoint to Anthony Winston's review of the RX-8 S, and you made a statement along the same lines.
Not that I think the RX-8 and Legacy really should be compared to each other directly (or could they?), but I would be interested to get your thoughts as to whether the Legacy offers an experience in the same league as the RX-8. I really am asking this only because the acclaim for the Mazda is almost entirely universal -- so this would seem to be a good benchmark for use.
If there is another vehichle that you think would better serve as a point of comparison, please share those thoughts.
Cheers...
I just spent some time re-reading some of the Legacy material on apexjapan, and I have a question for Paul.
I was thinking tonight about all of this week's events regarding the Legacy and the USDM power rating (or perceived lack thereof), and I thought about all of the articles I've read over the past year about the RX-8. Generally, every review/article on the RX-8 comes to the same conclusion, which is along the lines of "in spite of the low power numbers on paper, the extreme balance and contol the car offers makes it an extremely satisfying vehicle for those looking for a pure driving experience." I had a look at your counterpoint to Anthony Winston's review of the RX-8 S, and you made a statement along the same lines.
Not that I think the RX-8 and Legacy really should be compared to each other directly (or could they?), but I would be interested to get your thoughts as to whether the Legacy offers an experience in the same league as the RX-8. I really am asking this only because the acclaim for the Mazda is almost entirely universal -- so this would seem to be a good benchmark for use.
If there is another vehichle that you think would better serve as a point of comparison, please share those thoughts.
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Originally posted by shirokuma
Well, there is a reason the Legacy won car of the year in Japan last year. And it did so against some incredible odds. Lets just say that the little people (professional race drivers) made their opinion count for once.
Purely as a driving experience, with all other considerations tossed to the side, the Legacy and the RX8 would likely total up the same, but with wins in different areas. The RX8 is a better balanced vehicle and a better handler. The Legacy is brutally quick in comparison, completely unflappable, and flatters the driver more.
When I first drove the RX8, I believe all I had to compare it to was my generation B4. At that point I was quite willing to label the RX8 a superior car for a driver, just a bit more fun all around.
Then we finally got in the new Legacies at Fuji Speedway, and my opinion swung completely over to the Legacy. And I want to emphasize here that even the 186hp 2.0-litre NA Legacy was part of that. The Legacy was quicker all around, it was just as fun if not more, the interior quality was better, etc. etc. Still today I clearly can remember the balance of the RX8, but in every other area, the Legacy is as good or better.
One thing I can predict with certainty is that the USDM Legacy will not feel underpowered, unless your daily driver before it was a USDM STi or Corvette. And I might actually enjoy the rubber that it comes with, because it may make it very tossable, and I'm absolute hoon, you know. :D
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Well, there is a reason the Legacy won car of the year in Japan last year. And it did so against some incredible odds. Lets just say that the little people (professional race drivers) made their opinion count for once.
Purely as a driving experience, with all other considerations tossed to the side, the Legacy and the RX8 would likely total up the same, but with wins in different areas. The RX8 is a better balanced vehicle and a better handler. The Legacy is brutally quick in comparison, completely unflappable, and flatters the driver more.
When I first drove the RX8, I believe all I had to compare it to was my generation B4. At that point I was quite willing to label the RX8 a superior car for a driver, just a bit more fun all around.
Then we finally got in the new Legacies at Fuji Speedway, and my opinion swung completely over to the Legacy. And I want to emphasize here that even the 186hp 2.0-litre NA Legacy was part of that. The Legacy was quicker all around, it was just as fun if not more, the interior quality was better, etc. etc. Still today I clearly can remember the balance of the RX8, but in every other area, the Legacy is as good or better.
One thing I can predict with certainty is that the USDM Legacy will not feel underpowered, unless your daily driver before it was a USDM STi or Corvette. And I might actually enjoy the rubber that it comes with, because it may make it very tossable, and I'm absolute hoon, you know. :D
Cheers,
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01-11-2004, 12:35 AM
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Originally posted by 9-K Rever
So what? Alot of working proffesionals have these types of cars. I don't think it has anything to do with age but more personal prefrence.
At 22 I bought a 2001 Subaru Legacy GT 2.5 liter.
I could have bought a IMPREZZA or a CIVIC but that just not me.
At 25 I bough a 33k 2004 RX8. I could have bought a ton of other cars for that money, but I didn't cuz they just don't fit my personal preffrence.
Its all a matter off preffrence.
9-K Rever
So what? Alot of working proffesionals have these types of cars. I don't think it has anything to do with age but more personal prefrence.
At 22 I bought a 2001 Subaru Legacy GT 2.5 liter.
I could have bought a IMPREZZA or a CIVIC but that just not me.
At 25 I bough a 33k 2004 RX8. I could have bought a ton of other cars for that money, but I didn't cuz they just don't fit my personal preffrence.
Its all a matter off preffrence.
9-K Rever
Like Speed-ER doc, I don't see too many professionals driving the WRX STi, unless you're talking about professional junior college students.
Too bad the new Legacy's center instrument console looks terrible.
9-K Rever, why are you so adamant about liking the Legacy? Are you a female basketball, softball, or tennis player?
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01-11-2004, 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by shift_zoom8
Some things are a matter of preference. Other things are a matter of spelling.
Like Speed-ER doc, I don't see too many professionals driving the WRX STi, unless you're talking about professional junior college students.
Too bad the new Legacy's center instrument console looks terrible.
9-K Rever, why are you so adamant about liking the Legacy? Are you a female basketball, softball, or tennis player?
Some things are a matter of preference. Other things are a matter of spelling.
Like Speed-ER doc, I don't see too many professionals driving the WRX STi, unless you're talking about professional junior college students.
Too bad the new Legacy's center instrument console looks terrible.
9-K Rever, why are you so adamant about liking the Legacy? Are you a female basketball, softball, or tennis player?
Some people aren't as insecure about what car they are seen in as you obviously are. Yes, I have seen people driving cars like Evos, STi, Camaros, etc at my professional, white collar, fortune 500 company. And yes, some of them are actually management level.
And implying people are lesbian for liking a Subaru is so immature.
01-11-2004, 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by shift_zoom8
Some things are a matter of preference. Other things are a matter of spelling.
Like Speed-ER doc, I don't see too many professionals driving the WRX STi, unless you're talking about professional junior college students.
Too bad the new Legacy's center instrument console looks terrible.
9-K Rever, why are you so adamant about liking the Legacy? Are you a female basketball, softball, or tennis player?
Some things are a matter of preference. Other things are a matter of spelling.
Like Speed-ER doc, I don't see too many professionals driving the WRX STi, unless you're talking about professional junior college students.
Too bad the new Legacy's center instrument console looks terrible.
9-K Rever, why are you so adamant about liking the Legacy? Are you a female basketball, softball, or tennis player?
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Originally posted by nk_Rx8
Some people aren't as insecure about what car they are seen in as you obviously are. Yes, I have seen people driving cars like Evos, STi, Camaros, etc at my professional, white collar, fortune 500 company. And yes, some of them are actually management level.
Some people aren't as insecure about what car they are seen in as you obviously are. Yes, I have seen people driving cars like Evos, STi, Camaros, etc at my professional, white collar, fortune 500 company. And yes, some of them are actually management level.
In a competitive business world, every edge counts. If advertising yourself happens to be even a factor in attracting business, then the choice of a car may indicate to your customers AND BOSSES your maturity and intelligence (and even sexuality in some cases hehehe).
Successful professionals know this, and usually choose wisely.
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