Jay and I get unfairly booked for street racing.
07-08-2008, 01:26 AM
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McGuinty and gang are on a witch-hunt for any street racers. Very knee-jerk reaction. I believe there was a news clip that showed impounded cars of racers will be crushed for scrap metal.
I remembered Mississauga was the worst. Lots of young graduate cops with a power trips. Am glad I don't live there no more.
I remembered Mississauga was the worst. Lots of young graduate cops with a power trips. Am glad I don't live there no more.
07-08-2008, 09:39 AM
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http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/456244
This dumbass deserves it but apparently, slamming on your brakes is also street racing
I don't know about you but I press my brakes intentionally with someone behind me all the time with the intention that they slow down cuz there's traffic up ahead. I want them to slow down too or else they're gonna rear end me...
This dumbass deserves it but apparently, slamming on your brakes is also street racing
"If a person jams their brakes on intentionally with someone behind them, with the intention of having someone behind them breaking or slowing down, it does fall under the racing legislation," said Sgt. Dennis Mahoney-Bruer.
07-08-2008, 01:10 PM
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Honestly Ontario is becoming a police state.....that new law with drivers driving high what happens if someone is tired and they get pulled over and cops take him in for blood testing and find traces of marijuana but the dude lit up a joint maybe few days ago before driving are they still going to charge dude with DUI? Why bother having judges just make the cops judges then as well
07-08-2008, 02:02 PM
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Oh give me a break.
M.A.D.D. deals primarily with drinking and driving.
What is "stupid ***" about making the roads safer from needless alcohol related deaths?
Honestly, if you have a beef with the Canadien speed limit, at least make a sensible arguement, don't go the easy route and make a cheap shot at M.A.D.D. just because they have public visibility.
M.A.D.D. deals primarily with drinking and driving.
What is "stupid ***" about making the roads safer from needless alcohol related deaths?
Honestly, if you have a beef with the Canadien speed limit, at least make a sensible arguement, don't go the easy route and make a cheap shot at M.A.D.D. just because they have public visibility.
They are just another lobby group and IMHO almost all lobby groups are too blinded by they own causes to think about what is best for the general population.
I am not disputing that drunk-drivers need to be punished, but the laws (in Ontario at least) have been very effective and now M.A.D.D seems to be branching out. I guess they don't know what else to do with them selves (and the reams of donations).
I don't know if M.A.D.D has any involvement in the Ontario street racing laws (I would be very surprised if they didn't), but I did read in the paper years ago that they we dead set against a proposal to increase the speed limits.
07-08-2008, 02:27 PM
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^ Lately I am seeing lots of "Mothers Against <insert theme>" organizations poopping up. Just recently I saw one called the Mothers Against Power Poles having a rally. No it's not against the local stripper club either. 
07-08-2008, 05:42 PM
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I've been saying it all along, the OPP don't give a flying f-ck about road safety. Those of us who lived in Toronto during the '90s under Benito Fantino's regime have seen his handiwork. This man is a politician masquerading as a police chief. His only goal is to consolidate power within his organization in order to further his own political gain.
To the OP, get a good lawyer and beat this off. You want to get the charges reduced to an exhibition of speed type of charge but no more, which is still BS but at least it's easier to swallow. You'd be surprised by how sympathetic some judges are these days, provided that you put forth a credible defense (with a real lawyer or paralegal, not by yourself). The prosecution might also fold once they see which officer wrote the ticket. There is nothing a prosecutor hate more than an over-zealous rookie cop who get caught lying under cross-examination.
And to the guy from Texas who has been shooting off your mouth, you're a jackass.
To the OP, get a good lawyer and beat this off. You want to get the charges reduced to an exhibition of speed type of charge but no more, which is still BS but at least it's easier to swallow. You'd be surprised by how sympathetic some judges are these days, provided that you put forth a credible defense (with a real lawyer or paralegal, not by yourself). The prosecution might also fold once they see which officer wrote the ticket. There is nothing a prosecutor hate more than an over-zealous rookie cop who get caught lying under cross-examination.
And to the guy from Texas who has been shooting off your mouth, you're a jackass.
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07-08-2008, 06:45 PM
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Please point out one instance where I am shooting off my mouth.
The topic starter asked for some advice, I obliged with some information as to what he will most likely face when he faces the judge, and a judicial system that is usually stacked against the common man.
Oh, but I'm sorry, if it will appease you: "Oh dUde thAt sUx! StUpiD cOmmIe pigZ I hoPe u make dat &%$#@ piG cOp loose hiz job yo!"
07-08-2008, 07:55 PM
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Take everyone's advice and get yourself a lawyer. I am not trying to plug my own services but I can give you the names of a few reputable lawyers if you are so inclined. I am helping two 7club members with street racing charges so I am not in a position to volunteer my services beyond that at this time. Good luck and try not to worry about it.
07-09-2008, 02:41 AM
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best option is approach a lawyer ....decide if u can win over the case or not and sue him for false accusation ...and keep us updated ...
im pretty sure u guyz stand a good chance in winning this case....
im pretty sure u guyz stand a good chance in winning this case....
07-09-2008, 07:18 AM
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In my opinion the real thing to do will be go after compensation after the charges are dropped. From the stats I have seen your chances for getting the charges dropped are quite good, but there has been no recourse to the police or government. I would file a claim after for loss of income, all costs involved in hiring the lawyer, getting your car back etc. Then there is the "mental anguish and embarassment suffered" by having them take your car infont of all the people driving by and having to tell co workers etc! Maybe if it started to cost the government for writing laying false charges things might change?!
07-09-2008, 12:25 PM
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07-10-2008, 04:44 PM
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Just gathering info, talking to known cops. I'm writing a few letters, gonna contact that writer from the Wheels section, the article you posted Kafka. Cars are getting picked up on Monday, just wondering if they flooded our engines, dinged the body.
07-10-2008, 04:45 PM
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Also looking at the steps that need to betaken forr a protest, like if we need permits. Gonna set up a rally in August at Queens Park. Hell hath no fury like a Brown Man scourned!!!
08-27-2008, 04:00 PM
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UPDATE:
So we got the call today to come and pick up the disclosure packages. So I decided to swing by Newmarket on my way to the cottage.
Can't read **** on the copies of the summons notes section. However there is a typed section, so here it is.
" The cop observed three vechiles stopped at Hwy 7 and Kennedy Rd he then saw the same three vehicles take off from the traffic light @ a high rate of speed travelling eastbound. The cop was on a general patrol driving westbound on hwy 7.
He saw the light turn green and the vehicles accerlerate quickly. He notes that the VW took off so quickly that his tires squealed.
The vehicles appeared to be racing as they took off together. The engines of the vehicles were racing loudly. The vehicles sped up to approximately 70 km/h after only travelling 150 m. When the vehicles passed the cop they all slowed down quickly.
Police made a u turn and followed the vehicles. Traffic atop was performed, be charges lid."
So that's the end of that statement.
So we have proof that we did gwtto the speed limit and did not pass it. Basically it's n issue of how much throttle can be applied, and of course the rotary being a screamer.
So we got the call today to come and pick up the disclosure packages. So I decided to swing by Newmarket on my way to the cottage.
Can't read **** on the copies of the summons notes section. However there is a typed section, so here it is.
" The cop observed three vechiles stopped at Hwy 7 and Kennedy Rd he then saw the same three vehicles take off from the traffic light @ a high rate of speed travelling eastbound. The cop was on a general patrol driving westbound on hwy 7.
He saw the light turn green and the vehicles accerlerate quickly. He notes that the VW took off so quickly that his tires squealed.
The vehicles appeared to be racing as they took off together. The engines of the vehicles were racing loudly. The vehicles sped up to approximately 70 km/h after only travelling 150 m. When the vehicles passed the cop they all slowed down quickly.
Police made a u turn and followed the vehicles. Traffic atop was performed, be charges lid."
So that's the end of that statement.
So we have proof that we did gwtto the speed limit and did not pass it. Basically it's n issue of how much throttle can be applied, and of course the rotary being a screamer.
08-27-2008, 10:29 PM
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The vehicles appeared to be racing as they took off together.
This is the part where I hate most...this is the part where the new law gave power to the police on deciding if they're "racing" or not.
Thats why, never ever drive in 3 lanes...always go in single lane...and tell the office you are doing a scenic cruise / table dance trip / from a funeral etc...
This is the part where I hate most...this is the part where the new law gave power to the police on deciding if they're "racing" or not.
Thats why, never ever drive in 3 lanes...always go in single lane...and tell the office you are doing a scenic cruise / table dance trip / from a funeral etc...
08-28-2008, 12:45 PM
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I tried this today in my rental Dodge Charger out here in Edmonton. Getting to 70KM/H in only 150M is not hard at all. Using GPS to calculate the distance, I could routinely get the charger up to 70KM/H in that distance with moderate to heavy throttle application. We are talking a 4000lbs car here with only 250HP. I did not at any time feel as if I were racing. Hell, minivans were accelarating just as fast beside me, and I don't think they would consider that a race.
08-28-2008, 01:13 PM
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Before I go on, I'd like to make it clear that I do believe that anyone traveling 50km/h or hell even 40 km/h over the speed limit should be booked + license suspended. There's no reason at all to be traveling at those speeds. I have a home in the Bayview Hills area (Leslie and 16th Avenue) and can't stand all the rice rockets I encounter when I'm back in Toronto on Highway 7 and around the rice rocket meeting plaza at Bayview and 16th. In this situation however, the so called "street racing law" is utter bullshit.
EDITED: Going to use a more sensible equation to make this more accurate:
Here are some figures based on a 2001 Dodge Grand Caravan SE
Here are some figures for a 2000 Dogde Caravan SE
40mph in 5.6 seconds
50 mph in 8.4 seconds
so the average rate of acceleration based on laws of motion:
v = u + at
where u=0 since we are starting from stop
a=v/t
at 40mph * 1.6 = 64km/h * 1h/3600 seconds * 1000m/1km = 17.7m/s / 5.6 seconds = 3.17 m/s^2 <----- rate of acceleration to 40mph
at 50mph * 1.6 = 80km/h * 1h/3600 seconds * 1000m/1km = 22.22m/s / 8.4 seconds = 2.64 m/s^2 <----- rate of acceleration to 50mph
Just to be conservative lets assume that the vehicle is accelerating at a the lower rate of acceleration from 0km/h all the way up to 80km/h. So we'll use a rate of acceleration of 2.64m/s^s.
now using the equation
v^2 = u^2 + 2as
where
v is final velocity
u is initial velocity
a is acceleration
s is distance
we can solve for distance
v=80km/h or 22.2m/s
u=0
a=2.64m/s^s
s = v^2/2a
s = 22.2^2/2*2.64
s = 93m
So that means at the van can reach around 80km/h in 93meters
You guys should have no problem winning this case.
EDITED: Going to use a more sensible equation to make this more accurate:
Here are some figures based on a 2001 Dodge Grand Caravan SE
Here are some figures for a 2000 Dogde Caravan SE
40mph in 5.6 seconds
50 mph in 8.4 seconds
so the average rate of acceleration based on laws of motion:
v = u + at
where u=0 since we are starting from stop
a=v/t
at 40mph * 1.6 = 64km/h * 1h/3600 seconds * 1000m/1km = 17.7m/s / 5.6 seconds = 3.17 m/s^2 <----- rate of acceleration to 40mph
at 50mph * 1.6 = 80km/h * 1h/3600 seconds * 1000m/1km = 22.22m/s / 8.4 seconds = 2.64 m/s^2 <----- rate of acceleration to 50mph
Just to be conservative lets assume that the vehicle is accelerating at a the lower rate of acceleration from 0km/h all the way up to 80km/h. So we'll use a rate of acceleration of 2.64m/s^s.
now using the equation
v^2 = u^2 + 2as
where
v is final velocity
u is initial velocity
a is acceleration
s is distance
we can solve for distance
v=80km/h or 22.2m/s
u=0
a=2.64m/s^s
s = v^2/2a
s = 22.2^2/2*2.64
s = 93m
So that means at the van can reach around 80km/h in 93meters
You guys should have no problem winning this case.
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08-28-2008, 02:43 PM
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Can science and physics be used to argue a case?
Police claimed facts:
d = 150 m
v2 (final velocity) = 70 km/h = 19.44 m/s
v1 (initial velocity) = 0 km/h (from a stand stilll)
From kinematic equations:
V2^2 = V1^2 + 2(a)(d), where a is acceleration in m/s^2
plugging in numbers, you get a = 1.26 m/s^2
Thus, police claimed average acceleration rate was: 1.26 m/s^2
This 1.26 represents your average acceleration. It's average because you're not going to be constantly accelerating at that rate from a standstill due to power delivery differences at different rpms, and time lag from shifting 1 - 2 at the very minimum (if you were racing).
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Reputated professional test drivers from Car & Driver magazine:
http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...ertrain_ss.pdf
2007 Mazda RX-8 which has a powertrain unchanged from 2004.
1/4 Mile test which represents maximum power take offs from a stand still.
d = 400m
t = 15 s
v2 = 93 mph = 41.33 m/s
Using same equation, and plugging into formula.
Average acceleration is 2.14 m/s^2
So this proves for certain Jay and Eddie were nowhere near using their maximum power of their vehicle
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Using 2.14 m/s^2 acceleration as the benchmark for maximum power average acceleration as done by professional driver, plugging that into the same kinematic equation to prove "what would have been the speed"
a = 2.14 m/s^2
d = 150 m
v1 = 0 (stand still)
v2 = what we are solving for
v2 = sqrt [2(a)(d)] = 25.33 m/s = 91.21 km/h
Conclusion: Had Jay and Eddie been plowing down that ****, ripping it up at maximum power, in 150m, he would have been already doing 91.21 km/h. They were at least 23% slower than that. Therefore, they were not street racing!
Someone's gotta check my math and logic! Does math/science hold up in court?
d = 150 m
v2 (final velocity) = 70 km/h = 19.44 m/s
v1 (initial velocity) = 0 km/h (from a stand stilll)
From kinematic equations:
V2^2 = V1^2 + 2(a)(d), where a is acceleration in m/s^2
plugging in numbers, you get a = 1.26 m/s^2
Thus, police claimed average acceleration rate was: 1.26 m/s^2
This 1.26 represents your average acceleration. It's average because you're not going to be constantly accelerating at that rate from a standstill due to power delivery differences at different rpms, and time lag from shifting 1 - 2 at the very minimum (if you were racing).
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Reputated professional test drivers from Car & Driver magazine:
http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...ertrain_ss.pdf
2007 Mazda RX-8 which has a powertrain unchanged from 2004.
1/4 Mile test which represents maximum power take offs from a stand still.
d = 400m
t = 15 s
v2 = 93 mph = 41.33 m/s
Using same equation, and plugging into formula.
Average acceleration is 2.14 m/s^2
So this proves for certain Jay and Eddie were nowhere near using their maximum power of their vehicle
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Using 2.14 m/s^2 acceleration as the benchmark for maximum power average acceleration as done by professional driver, plugging that into the same kinematic equation to prove "what would have been the speed"
a = 2.14 m/s^2
d = 150 m
v1 = 0 (stand still)
v2 = what we are solving for
v2 = sqrt [2(a)(d)] = 25.33 m/s = 91.21 km/h
Conclusion: Had Jay and Eddie been plowing down that ****, ripping it up at maximum power, in 150m, he would have been already doing 91.21 km/h. They were at least 23% slower than that. Therefore, they were not street racing!
Someone's gotta check my math and logic! Does math/science hold up in court?