prospectjtaz

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All this law is doing, is funding the new estates for tow truck drivers, putting coppers on pedastools, keeping traffic specialists well funded, especially now with X-Copper gone, and funding the campaign of some of these dbag politicians. Its sad to say I voted for the Liberal party, there has been so much complaint, lots of press material, and no referendum of this new law. Awesome job Ottawa!!!

Like I told many so far, if nothing looks to be working soon, I will set up an all forum meet at the Big Hill for a freaking protest. I didnt come to this dame country to get my Charter of Rights taken away after lawfully abiding and learning much about this nation. I dont pay my taxes to be treated this way. They should have better things do with their time then do this.

prospectjtaz

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If there isnt any change to this dame law, I might as well sell the 8, and get myself a Yaris or Fit. Or do I then become an accessory to street racing, since I`m slowly traffic down, keeping the cops away from the real racers

prospectjtaz

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And most of you know that I am still in school, I dont even work full time, I just have the 8 cause I got it in from the states for a lot chpeaer second hand. AT the time of purchase, it was a car with 2 year plus another year of powertrain, or a car with no warranty locally. Obviously you know what I chose. I acutally use my car to work, work for a psych lab, I actually need it to get my gear from and too. Also to get to Sick Kids. So to lay a charge and impound my car, without convicting me, puts me in a bind. And basically this is what this law is doing as a side effect, people, whatever age that are being unjustly charged under this law that are still students, on student wages, what do you think that means for them. Its either pay up and get your car out, and not go to school. Or sell the car, and forfeit certain opportunities to become a contributing member of this society. Guess Canada doesnt really care a dipshit about the future contributing members of its society. And what also aggrates me, is as soon as I got out of the 8, the copper asks me first if I stole the car, even though just before that I told him its my dad, like WTF. Then he asks me if the other one. And then gives me a smirk, when I tell him the car is under my dads name, bet your dads not gonna like that. Why do you think its under my dads name. Do you think education is free in this country, do you think Im gonna get any aid for my education, if I register a car under my name. Do you think that the car is essential to propel my future to where I want it. No, why, because your opinion makes you think that I might have stole it, when I said it was my dad`s car, and that I`m out for a joy ride at night, what a great joy ride it was sticking to the speed limit. Once again your opionion triumps all, you know what this reminds of, or compare to, the leet talking smack punks on voip. Yes thats right, I think your at that level with those kids.

It really bugs me thats cops can have this much excessive power on their opnion. If you ask me, their pretty much our politicians. So next time you see a cruiser, make sure you leave a path, cause their goes our politicains

prospectjtaz

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Also consult servives at this time are useles, till our court date, at which we got info on what the cops believes he saw. Then we would need to get a consult service. So now that I have funded my the tow trucks estates, and raised pedastool of my local politician, now I get to fund my consulting companygs new wing. WOO HOOO!!!!

prospectjtaz

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So the judges asks me, what do you do for living son. Well I was in school, but im only going for a semster, since I had to fund a few things, care to guess what they are

TheWulf

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K I know you're pissed, but just remember one thing, and use this in your defense if you need to: You CANNOT be convicted of something SOLELY on the JUDGMENT of an officer. This would make our country a dictatorship, and that would be a violation of your rights.
This means that the officer's judgment is NOT THE BE-ALL, END-ALL. He can be (and often is) wrong.

Now stop being a post-*****!

wcs

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I haven't read everything as Jay has left some lengthy posts but I wanted to chime in.
This is what happens when you give the Police to much power.
The police can arbitrarily decide what is or isn't breaking the law with a penalty that is has a huge impact reaching deep in to the victims life and pocket book. Yes I said victim, as that is what we all are in the Police State of Ontario.
Do I blame the Police sure but it's the f'd up Liberals that made it this way. I vote and it wasn't for those crazy *******.

prospectjtaz

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I am so sad to say that I am part of that party, well, call me a traitor, but I am done supporting them. They didnt get my vote last time, and they wont this time. This propelled along with the former police chief. I thougt their hear to help the people, not oppress them. What the hell is the year. I feel like I`m back in the motherland, thats Germany for those that dont know, and a couple decades back. If you ask me, I might as well give that salute as the cruisers go by.

Footman

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I also did not vote Liberals.

prospectjtaz

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Sorry for the post whoring, like I said I am venting, guess I am making up for lack of posts I have had over the weeks. Hope yo make it out to MOTM this year Wulf, but yes I knw what my rights are, but where are those rights, where is my right to fair trial when they decide to tow and suspend my license, and make me pay for all that, a month in advance of the trial, seriously WTF. Thats what I wish they would change from this gray law of ours, well one factor. Other of course being the stupid opionion.

Cops should get back to stopping real crimes, and leave the speed spotting to the cameras. Thats a way better use of time and our taxes.

prospectjtaz

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The cruisers should strip their protect and serve decal and stick on what the decpticon had from the Transformers movie.

TheWulf

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I wish I could make it to MOTM, unfortunately I have about 5 weeks left 'till my wedding and I can't make a trip that far... no time

Razz1

Good Luck and that was really funny by Jedi, where go you live not in the USA, and he posts in the Candian forum.

Gecko69

when this does go to court ( if it does ) it will depend a lot on the judge. Unfortunately, the law does state that the officer can charge you if they suspect anything or if in their discretion they feel you were doing something that violates the law. This is a really shity situation guys....so shitty that i was talking to my friend who is an RCMP officer about it. The problem is 2 fold, there are not written statements from witnesses backing you up and the officer used his /her discretion to make the judgement call.....wheather they were new or not, first stop or not, they have the the sworn in right to make these judgements. The next problem is going to come in when you are in court and they have 2 guys who ( I believe you guys by the way...just to clarify ) " look " like things were not legal and an officer who is going to have to completely state that he/she was wrong in their intial decision which WILL NOT happen. My buddy said that in most cases from previous years these cases have been thrown out due to lack of evidence, hearsay, officer not showing up, etc, etc. Unfortunately with the new law, he has said that he is mandated to show up to cases where this law has been violated and to " crack down " on this sort of thing.....he warned me to tell you that the best possible action it to get a lawyer and not to get your hopes up....he said expect the worst and hope for something less severe......I am sorry guys, I wish you the best and hope if works out in your favor.

prospectjtaz

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looking forward to the actual date when we get his disclosure statement, it would help it figuring out what is happening with us.

talked to consultation places today, most suggest a united front vs the officer, and the other one suggested me and ed vs the golf guy vs the officer

the officer said this would be our last contact with him, from here now, it would be us vs the prosecutor, who is using the info on his statement I guess.

I am just banking on what recent events have showed regarding cases and this new law. Also that some changes come soon, since our court date wont be til late this year if not next Im gonna try my best and spearhead a change on this useless gray area law.

prospectjtaz

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one of big clause with this law is the lack or respect of our charter rights, specfically due process, they shouldnt be allowed to tow ur car and impound and suspend at ur expense without a conviction.

imangine this law in a europena country, or italy, where a majority of thecars of the road are performance, will street racing become the norm handed out there, pathetic

if you ask me, they should have smart chips on every road, forcing ur engine to not be able to get past that speed limit, and everyone get in a smart car, thats when we can be finally safe

Kafka

I feel sorry for you man. I understand your anger, and I do understand that this is purely a product of politician trying to get more votes by "solving" an issue that was "unresolvable" fundamentally.

If you need us Toronto rx8 for help or cruise to demonstrate, I am all up for it. I only speed in turns now so the poo poo cannot even see it.

The exception to that law is funny...so if we organize a cruise for "scenic" ride we are ok? How about a scenic ride at 150km/h?

Can we use the officer's inexperience to go against him? Can we take photos of scene showing no tire marks on the road? What can we do to help?

/pissed off!

Agent008

Thief, Pros,

Sorry to hear about your problems with the pigs. I guess we all need to granny our cars when there is more then one sports car around.

I think someone needs to challenge this stupid law in the courts. I believe it's illegal along with the law that was passed to allow for photo-radar. How can you charge someone for speeding when you don't know who was behind the wheel? How can you give the cops the power to suspend a license without having to prove any wrong doing?

In the end, I blame M.A.D.D and the like for lobbying the government to make stupid-*** laws. We would have a more reasonable 115 kph 400 series limit if not for the stupid lobby groups like M.A.D.D.

prospectjtaz

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This is officially becoming a side project of mine now. Sunday will tell how much needs to be payed to get the car out of the impound lot, like I said, I`m on a student budget, didnt get to work full time this summer, and dipping into the savings is a no no, so there could be a modded silver 8 on sale soon, cause I just cant deal with these oppressive modern army. If their goal is to punish and oppress they got that going very well for them right now. I will go to take pics tomorrow of the stop light, whats ironical is the fact that after everything was done and said, the same cop that pulled us and his other cruiser buddy both ripped it out of them, their tires squealing, wish I had a video option on the phone.

To be named later

Oh give me a break.

M.A.D.D. deals primarily with drinking and driving.

What is "stupid ***" about making the roads safer from needless alcohol related deaths?

Honestly, if you have a beef with the Canadien speed limit, at least make a sensible arguement, don't go the easy route and make a cheap shot at M.A.D.D. just because they have public visibility.

Kafka

Agree on M.A.D.D. Drink and Drive is bad. Period.

But this street racing law is still stupid ***.

Take a read at this:
http://blog.legalaction.ca/does-onta...ter-of-rights/

9291150

I pasted some stuff from some letters I wrote shortly after the new law took place. I wrote my MP, MPP, auto scribes (like Kenzie) and various papers, and actually got two published! I never voted Liberal..and never will.

You guys have to fight this bullshit.

With over 300 cars impounded to date since the recent introduction of the
new "anti-aggressive driving" law, that's over $600,000 in fines alone in Premier McGuinty's bottomless pockets with no end in site. One might think
that's great, all in the name of safer roads right? Think again.
Fact is, there is no proof that aggressive driving has been an escalating
problem in Ontario. In fact, the available statistics clearly indicate that
Ontario continues to have the safest roads in Canada and is among the
safest in North America. This trend is despite seeing the number of
licensed drivers on Ontario's roads increase by more than 22% in the past
10 years.
So this naturally begs the question, why implement these new laws that are
by far the most severe in Canada, in the safest province in Canada? Where's
the connection?
Allow me suggest that there isn't one. In the end, this is nothing but a
case of a government trying to create the illusion of being tough on some
sort of new and reckless street racing subculture. However, in the real
world, the facts paint a different picture. A recent study by the Virginia
Tech Transportation Institute concluded that in 80 per cent of crashes, the
driver was distracted in the three seconds prior to the accident. As a
motorcyclist, this is no surprise. I lost count of how many times some
motorist, usually in an oversized SUV, has crept into my lane by a driver
who's was either applying make-up, or eating, or reading, or talking on
their cell-phone, or any number of things. This is nothing new, experts
everywhere have always agreed that the vast majority of road "accidents"
are preventable.
But why attack the real root of our traffic problems when it so much more
exiting to sensationalize the issue? There's been no shortage of media
coverage on the alleged street racing incident from this past weekend that
tragically claimed two innocent lives, yet many more people have since died
on our roads due to other types of preventable accidents. Where is the
coverage of those? Fact is, on an average day on Ontario roads, over 2
people still die and over 200 are seriously injured. What is being done
about the more common causes of problems on our roads?
We can start by outlawing cell phone use in Ontario as many countries have.
We can have police come out of their radar traps and start patrolling the
streets and stopping everyday drivers who aren't focused on the task at
hand. There are so many things that we can do, but the problem is many of
these solutions wouldn't be popular. It's far easier to point the finger at
alleged speed crazed motorcyclists and car enthusiasts. And I bet that
we're seeing just the tip of the iceberg, safety zealots are already
talking about putting speed limiters on all vehicles, and calls for photo
radar are coming back as well.
In the meantime, we have to deal with new laws that nearly turns Ontario
into a police state, giving police the discretion that they always wished
they had to charge at will. "Officer discretion is obviously something
that's fundamental to our system of justice," says OPP Chief Supt. Bill
Grodzinski. I understand that, but I also understand that it is unrealistic
to think that all police officers conduct themselves without bias,
prejudice or poor judgment at all times. Therefore, why grant them such
unprecedented powers to seize licenses or vehicles? Last time I checked,
our justice system is also based on a court system that is assigned the
task of administrating justice in an objective and fair manner. Has this
been replaced?
Being a bit of a gear head, I've often heard stories from fellow
enthusiasts of exuberant police officers who harass them without proper
cause. My instinct was always to write off such claims as half-truths, even
though I've had my share of experiences of being pulled over for no good
reason other then "routine" checks. However, a recent incident with one of
Peel's finest has made me a believer, as I thought I was either going to be
assaulted or arrested for having the nerve to shake my head at an officer
for blocking traffic unnecessarily. The existing formal complaints process
for such matters left me exasperated; instead I was informed by this
officer's Staff Sergeant that he is actually a "model" constable. Well,
even though I'm a "model" citizen; never unemployed, always pay my taxes,
don't have a criminal record, never even had a demerit point.... next time
I won't even bother complaining.
This past Thanksgiving weekend, I've already witnessed this law in
practice. I noticed a new radar trap on one of the nearby lonely country
roads where the speed inexplicably reduces to 50km/h from 80km/h. I bet the
85th percentile speed is near 100km/h on that road, so I wonder how many of
the 300+ vehicles they impounded were caught in this manner instead of the
sensational stories we always hear in the media. Or worse, can you imagine
loosing your license, your vehicle and paying out thousands of dollars in
costs for squealing your tires around a corner, or leaning off a motorcycle
seat? I must have missed the cataclysmic tire squealing death and
dismemberment stories that necessitated this law's severity. All I know is
that I'm skipping the next group ride, lest it be misconstrued as racing at
an officer's discretion!

prospectjtaz

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wesome man, im gonna start making a thread for a cruise out to the big hill for a formal protest. gonna start making invites and fact sheets to be handed out at motm this year, hopefully i can get mazdas, and possibly all other car forums for a massive protest on their front lawn. This new law needs to be fixed, I hate these cops that are abusing it left, right and centre.

nvx

just wanted to drop a line quickly and say how shitty that must be..

and how shitty the law is right now..

the police in matters like these nowadays really do become the judge, jury, and executioner all in one go...

just sad.

Definately did not vote for the Liberals last time around and certainly will not be this time lol

Kafka

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