Is GTA going down the shitter?
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Originally Posted by BlueFrenzy
Heh ... I was walking in the EVENING! That's why I walked so close to the cops. I've walked down the streets of Rio in the evening and it's not that bad depending where you are (I would never go to the flavala areas in the evening). But yea, during Carabana it's very rowdy and perhaps more scary. On average though, I would say that Toronto is relatively safer than any of the world cities mentioned (ie NY, LA, Amsterdam, etc).
But I guess it goes without saying that you have to have street smarts when walking in the evening anywhere and knowing what areas are potentially troublesome. An example --> southcentral LA at 1am in a bow tie, loafers and cardigan sweater.
But I guess it goes without saying that you have to have street smarts when walking in the evening anywhere and knowing what areas are potentially troublesome. An example --> southcentral LA at 1am in a bow tie, loafers and cardigan sweater.
heh, copacabana was interesting at night though(next to Ipanema).. lots and lots of prostitutes. so much it was almost like a little parade
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Originally Posted by khtm
Have you lived anywhere else? Just out of curiosity...
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yeah, if you want to get shot or stabbed check it out
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Originally Posted by herbert
Excellent question. Not counting Kingston (my formative years), Ottawa (2 work terms), Waterloo (my non-sober University years), the answer is no. I have travelled quite a bit if that counts. I would probably only consider living in a couple of other cities (Paris or Florence) but perhaps I'm limiting myself.
Maybe you are limiting yourself...I dunno. I just don't imagine myself ever saying "I wouldn't live anywhere else" unless I had actually tried living everywhere else and came to realize that where I was living was the best place.
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Originally Posted by khtm
Gotcha...
Maybe you are limiting yourself...I dunno. I just don't imagine myself ever saying "I wouldn't live anywhere else" unless I had actually tried living everywhere else and came to realize that where I was living was the best place.
Maybe you are limiting yourself...I dunno. I just don't imagine myself ever saying "I wouldn't live anywhere else" unless I had actually tried living everywhere else and came to realize that where I was living was the best place.
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Originally Posted by herbert
Agreed ... do you have any room at your place ? :D
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Agreed ... do you have any room at your place ? :D
Where have you been? Have you not learned anything? If there is one thing you should take from this forum is that to stay away from KHTM and camping. A room-mate is like permanent camping
Here is the thread again
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-multimedia-photo-gallery-6/canadian-rockies-58941/
PLEASE PEOPLE, I'D HATE TO SEE SOMEONE GET HURT. :D :D :D :D :p :p
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Originally Posted by rotten42
Where have you been? Have you not learned anything? If there is one thing you should take from this forum is that to stay away from KHTM and camping. A room-mate is like permanent camping
Here is the thread again
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=58941
PLEASE PEOPLE, I'D HATE TO SEE SOMEONE GET HURT. :D :D :D :D :p :p
Here is the thread again
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=58941
PLEASE PEOPLE, I'D HATE TO SEE SOMEONE GET HURT. :D :D :D :D :p :p
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Surprisingly, yes! So far this year we've had 3 different couch crashers...they're all gone now, those bums.
DO YOU SEE HOW EAGER HE IS?....DO YOU?
I bet see asks you if you own a sleeping bag. Surely this is the best place to live. :D :D :D
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I was counting the minutes until you poked your ugly face into this thread :p
LOL...laugh-ing...to..hard...can't type :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Originally Posted by herbert
OMG ... Thanks Rotten ...
uhhh, khtm ... I think I'm pretty happy in Toronto but thanks anyway :D
uhhh, khtm ... I think I'm pretty happy in Toronto but thanks anyway :D
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You don't even want to be caught in a favela during the day! remember, Ipanema is at the base of a pretty large shanty town, so it's difficult to know who is who, especially at night..
heh, copacabana was interesting at night though(next to Ipanema).. lots and lots of prostitutes. so much it was almost like a little parade
heh, copacabana was interesting at night though(next to Ipanema).. lots and lots of prostitutes. so much it was almost like a little parade
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This is a dumb thread full stereotypical assumptions. Fear is relative, try being a visible minority at a biker convention. Or for that matter step into a Northern Ontario establishment and ask for a beer and try not to be scared by all the people staring at what the cat dragged in.
I can name you places in this city that are scary at all times of the year regardless of a carnival type celebration.
And cops are required to maintain certain numbers in crowds regardless of the function. We had more cops than you could possibly imagine at Osgoode Hall when the US ambassador was coming to visit.
I hired some Police presence for a couple parties I've thrown in the past and they tell you exactly how many you have to hire depending on the number or guests.
Please try to keep your stereotypical views to yourself instead of making them seem like the norm. Sorry for sounding like a downer but this thread pissed me off.
Toronto is a great city partly because we have search a diverse group of individuals that call it home. I enjoy seeing the different cultural fesitivities in our city without having to pay thousands of dollars in air fare.
There is nothing like getting on a flight headed back to Toronto, I love this town.
I can name you places in this city that are scary at all times of the year regardless of a carnival type celebration.
And cops are required to maintain certain numbers in crowds regardless of the function. We had more cops than you could possibly imagine at Osgoode Hall when the US ambassador was coming to visit.
I hired some Police presence for a couple parties I've thrown in the past and they tell you exactly how many you have to hire depending on the number or guests.
Please try to keep your stereotypical views to yourself instead of making them seem like the norm. Sorry for sounding like a downer but this thread pissed me off.
Toronto is a great city partly because we have search a diverse group of individuals that call it home. I enjoy seeing the different cultural fesitivities in our city without having to pay thousands of dollars in air fare.
There is nothing like getting on a flight headed back to Toronto, I love this town.
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Not all that has been talked about here is about stereotypes. I happen to think Toronto is a **** hole...but that's just from my expereinces. It has nothing to do with carnivals. Special occassions bring out different behaviors in people. (i.e. The Stampede) If you went by the behavior during the 10 days of Stampede you would think everyone is a redneck cowboy rather than being the second largest center in Canada (next to TO) in corp. offices and the leader in the country for self-owned small businesss.
IMO (whether that matters or not) the crime is a bit different in TO. This is very subjective but its more "big city" crime...more random?...I'm having a hard time explaining it.
The air quality has been quite bad too. I saw a news repost that shows how more than half of it ccomes up from the coal plants in the US....makes me feel better about shipping your garbage to them. :D
I'm a bit jaded because one year when I was down there, I wanted to watch the Grey Cup in a bar. I was downtown at the NovaTel?
Anyway, I could not find a place that would shoew the game because they all had NFL on instead....even at the Skydome and Grez's place.
I have some other issues too but those are of a more personal nature.
IMO (whether that matters or not) the crime is a bit different in TO. This is very subjective but its more "big city" crime...more random?...I'm having a hard time explaining it.
The air quality has been quite bad too. I saw a news repost that shows how more than half of it ccomes up from the coal plants in the US....makes me feel better about shipping your garbage to them. :D
I'm a bit jaded because one year when I was down there, I wanted to watch the Grey Cup in a bar. I was downtown at the NovaTel?
Anyway, I could not find a place that would shoew the game because they all had NFL on instead....even at the Skydome and Grez's place.
I have some other issues too but those are of a more personal nature.
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Lawyer's spirit ... I'd hate to say this but you live in a box. Unlike Rotten, I love Toronto. Heck I spent almost a decade there. This thread is not refering to the cultures or races for that matter. Like rotten said, certain elements are attracted by certain events and is in no way a reflection of the people there.
You mention that large numbers of police are required for large crowds. Yes. This is a true fact. BUT of all the years in Toronto where there have been parades and such, the ONLY times I have ever witnessed the police traveling/patrolling in a 6 man formation in riot gear ... was during Carabana along Yonge St. This was no where near where the actual festivities, just on the streets. During the Gay Pride parades, I have NEVER witnessed the 6man police formation. Like it or not, the police are reacting to what they know is going to be more troublesome. Like I said previously, many of the unwelcomed elements are Americans (all those Ohio and NY plates) and foreigners.
You mention that large numbers of police are required for large crowds. Yes. This is a true fact. BUT of all the years in Toronto where there have been parades and such, the ONLY times I have ever witnessed the police traveling/patrolling in a 6 man formation in riot gear ... was during Carabana along Yonge St. This was no where near where the actual festivities, just on the streets. During the Gay Pride parades, I have NEVER witnessed the 6man police formation. Like it or not, the police are reacting to what they know is going to be more troublesome. Like I said previously, many of the unwelcomed elements are Americans (all those Ohio and NY plates) and foreigners.
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Lawyer's spirit ... I'd hate to say this but you live in a box.
Originally Posted by BlueFrenzy
This thread is not refering to the cultures or races for that matter. Like rotten said, certain elements are attracted by certain events and is in no way a reflection of the people there.
Originally Posted by BlueFrenzy
Like it or not, the police are reacting to what they know is going to be more troublesome. Like I said previously, many of the unwelcomed elements are Americans (all those Ohio and NY plates) and foreigners.
I've said enough on this topic.
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Originally Posted by Lawyer's Spirit
This is a dumb thread full stereotypical assumptions. Fear is relative, try being a visible minority at a biker convention. Or for that matter step into a Northern Ontario establishment and ask for a beer and try not to be scared by all the people staring at what the cat dragged in.
I can name you places in this city that are scary at all times of the year regardless of a carnival type celebration.
And cops are required to maintain certain numbers in crowds regardless of the function. We had more cops than you could possibly imagine at Osgoode Hall when the US ambassador was coming to visit.
I hired some Police presence for a couple parties I've thrown in the past and they tell you exactly how many you have to hire depending on the number or guests.
Please try to keep your stereotypical views to yourself instead of making them seem like the norm. Sorry for sounding like a downer but this thread pissed me off.
Toronto is a great city partly because we have search a diverse group of individuals that call it home. I enjoy seeing the different cultural fesitivities in our city without having to pay thousands of dollars in air fare.
There is nothing like getting on a flight headed back to Toronto, I love this town.
I can name you places in this city that are scary at all times of the year regardless of a carnival type celebration.
And cops are required to maintain certain numbers in crowds regardless of the function. We had more cops than you could possibly imagine at Osgoode Hall when the US ambassador was coming to visit.
I hired some Police presence for a couple parties I've thrown in the past and they tell you exactly how many you have to hire depending on the number or guests.
Please try to keep your stereotypical views to yourself instead of making them seem like the norm. Sorry for sounding like a downer but this thread pissed me off.
Toronto is a great city partly because we have search a diverse group of individuals that call it home. I enjoy seeing the different cultural fesitivities in our city without having to pay thousands of dollars in air fare.
There is nothing like getting on a flight headed back to Toronto, I love this town.
I started this thread to get some insight in how bad it really is. Personally, I hate to see any city in Canada "going down the *******".
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Originally Posted by BlueFrenzy
heh heh ... yea, copacabana was jokes with all the hookers. I just hung out closer to the fancier hotels where there is less rif-raf. With ipanema, I also hung out at the classier joints. It kinda surprised me that some of the clubs there charged like 50 Rias for cover ... guess it's their way to keep out unwanted elements.
Oh and as for copacabana, all I have to say is remember that club Help? now that was the most messed up place i've ever been!! Lonely planet said "largest club in latin america!" so my friend and I were like ok, let's check it out.. it should have said "largest brothel in south america" it smelled funny to
But I love south america, can't wait to go back.. already been to brazil, uraguay and argentina!
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Originally Posted by khtm
Dude, when people who actually live in Toronto are saying that it's scary and "going down the *******", then I fail to see how these are "stereotypical" comments. Stereotypes are usually formed out of ignorance, although there is usually some truth to them. Your logic baffles me. If you don't like what your own residents are saying about your beautiful city, then suck it up. It's just their opinion.
I started this thread to get some insight in how bad it really is. Personally, I hate to see any city in Canada "going down the *******".
I started this thread to get some insight in how bad it really is. Personally, I hate to see any city in Canada "going down the *******".
Frankly , I'm not sure how one would tell a foreigner from a Canadian (especially a Torontonian). 50% of Torontonians were born outside of the country. The diversity is what makes the city great.
Is the city going down the ******* ? Not sure. It's certainly different than when I moved here in '86 (it's not as clean, subways are overcrowded, roads are overcrowded, I'm actually not sure if it's more dangerous now - I think I just hear about it more than I used to (internet, cbc in the morning instead of the rock station, tv)).
I , for one , still love the city.
Maybe we should talk about Rx-8s
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Respectfully, I think you're missing his point. He's talking about the comments around Americans and foreigners causing the problems. I cringed when I read that and I don't agree.
Frankly , I'm not sure how one would tell a foreigner from a Canadian (especially a Torontonian). 50% of Torontonians were born outside of the country. The diversity is what makes the city great.
Frankly , I'm not sure how one would tell a foreigner from a Canadian (especially a Torontonian). 50% of Torontonians were born outside of the country. The diversity is what makes the city great.
It's the truth, go check it out this weekend.