auzoom

How much?

DMRH

Alsio + Ezio do professional work. However, they are MEGA expensive so "Caviet emptor"



Glad to read your taste of Extinguishers is right up there. Its "20B" rating considered excellent for its capacity & easily exceeding the "Whatever" factor.

REgards

Revolver

$88 delivered...

Revolver

Yeah, that's pretty much what the guys at RENEW said. I don't mind paying for decent work. Sick of being frigged around by stealerships.

As for the extinguisher, I think the red bottles look crap in the car (I have an all black interior - no red inserts), so for the extra bucks I thought the chrome bottle was worth it. If you're going to do it, do it properly, etc...

enforcer

Too bad you couldn't get one of these which could have suited the colour range a bit better. The bottom range are obviousloy not suited, but you could always get it painted, and as long as you maintain the integrity of the pictographs, class etc....http://www.doctorairbrush.com/otherstuff.htm

auzoom

Was that for the extinguisher? the bracket? or both?

robcee

Have to agree with DMRH. Dropped by City Perfomance the other day to look into getting a fire ex installed on the car.

Would've been a pretty good job, they knew exactly what to do....but, the quote was quite pricey.

Still considering what route Im going to go, DIY or Pro.

Sheesh. As people have less and less time to work on their own cars, the price of getting someone to work on yours gets higher and higher.

Thats sydney for ya.

Cheers,
R

Revolver

I believe both but I'll know for sure when it gets here...

Revolver

Hi Rob,

Would you mind letting me know what they quoted you? PM me if you wish but others may be interested.

enforcer

It would be good to get an appreciation of how much the job cost. Brisbane is pretty close to Sydney and Melbourne prices these days anyhow....

Revolver

He's shy for some reason. I'll let you know once I book it in what their quote is - still waiting for the extinguisher to arrive...

matt13b

Are you going down on the Saturday night or the Sunday morning? Let me know if you want me to organise for you to stay there Saturday night where ever me and my wife and dad stay in Goulburn.

paulmasoner

iTrader: (1)

Some of this may have already been covered, and i dont know what your requirements are specifically. Nor do i know if you guys rate/class extinguishers differently down under.


I have had far too much experience with extinguishers(fire dept). I've discharged hundreds of them and disassembled just as many. I've destroyed them, on purpose and by accident. And i've seen my fair share of SERIOUS injuries including one leaving a friend permanently disabled.

I cannot stress enough that buying a 'sturdy' extinguisher can save your life. A good example is like what Taka posted pics of. All metal head/valve. In the states we have some companies that make cheapies with plastic heads/valving. They meet requirements, but they are dangerous. The standard multipurpose dry chemical extinguisher is stored at 195psi and will go through 2 hour rated fire doors(or your knee) if the head gets knocked off(think collision).

As far as class of extinguisher... Multipurpose dry chem are just that, multipurpose class ABC. In otherwords rated for normal combustibles, fuels, and electrical fires.
In my experience, ABC extinguishers do not perform as well against fuel fire as BC extinguishers do. Personally my feeling is that if you have flames impinging to your interior where you will find class A material mostly, its already too late for the average person to safely extinguish.

My reccomendation is clean agent extinguishers. I would not reccomend CO2, as it can potentially create massive condensation in unwanted places in the engine bay, as well as making plastics/rubbers very brittle. My best bet is Halon/FM200/Halotron etc....

Halon 1211 and Halon 1301 are both restricted in the US. Only Department of Defense is allowed use of Halon. Perhaps its availible there? FM200 and Halotron are both more eco-friendly alternatives to Halon. If you research, there are also a few other products making it to market that are clean agents.

Clean agents are just that, clean... they wont leave an extremely difficult mess to clean in its aftermath.(which is the last thing you need if you've already had a fire)
Now although technically these are classed as BC extinguishers, they will work equally well in class A fires in you so choose to use it. This is rooted in how the extinguishers 'work'.

There are 4 facets to any fire.
1)fuel
2)oxygen
3)heat
4)chemical chain reaction

ANY extinguishing method there is disrupts at least one of the parts of the tetrahedron.
The agents i mentioned work twofold. They displace oxygen,as well as interupt the chemical chain reaction.

An extinguisher rated 40BC(of any agent) or more should be more than adequate for this application.



Any way, class is over and so is my rant. My biggest concern, DONT cheap out and buy an extinguisher with a plastic head and valve.

If anyone has any questions about specifics, chemical compounds used in dry/wet chems, or about Halides and other clean agents, etc etc etc just PM me!

EDIT:: Just saw this


the WHITE Kiddie extinguisher in this picture is what i'm STRONGLY reccomending you to NOT put in your car. I have a friend/coworker who is permanently disabled from one of these. He was servicing extinguishers and kncoked one over, it fell NO MORE THAN 18 inches where it landed on the head/valve. This created a rocket powered by 195PSI of nitrogen/drychem. It hit him in the lower leg and sent shards of bone out his knee cap. Just imagine what could happen in a collision, especially from the side.

Now be realistic, ANY extinguisher can do this under the wrong conditions. All i'm saying is, the cheaper ones will not stand up to what should be considered minor incidental damage.


FINAL EDIT:: fwiw these Kiddie and other cheaper extinguishers that have plastic valve assemblies... i have personally been able to break/pull/remove the heads from by bare hands... quality extinguishers take a wrench on the head and a clamp..

takahashi

No point researching as what I said. If you want, I can pull out what CAMS require that stick with it. There is no point to buy the best if you are not allowed to use it on the track day.

The one that I got for CAMS days is only $40 (1L)

paulmasoner

iTrader: (1)

ah i see what you mean

i wonder why they said Halon 1201, 1311, and BCF and not just 1201, 1301, and 1211??? they changed the naming convention.. maybe its a common term or something there?

i dont know FIA's position on other clean agents as they arent specifically mentioned... i think its likely that Halon is specifically mentioned because its probably a controlled/banned agent in AU as well(it is nasty ozone eating stuff)

i have seen AFFF systems before and i dont like the idea of them. although a fixed clean agent system designed for total flood would be extremely nice and probably overkill as well. on the other hand the AFFF systems work extremely well, and unless your running alcohols or other fuels mixed there is no need for polar solvent compatible foam, which makes certain aspects of design and aquiring agent simpler.

but FWIW if anyone is truly concerned about fire suppresion, i would check FIA regs and see if a total flood FM200 or other clean agent system is legal/allowed. If it is, theres no better solution. you see flames or smoke that ocncerns you(ie not turbo burning oil etc) and you discharge the system from the comfort of your seat and guaranteed no more fire and no mess to clean up...

enforcer

Your mates leg is a classic example of why we don't go cheap on anything which is designed for safety. Unfortunately, a single 1kg extinguisher is nowhere near enough to extinguish a blazing engine.

This poor blokes van didn't have a chance, and would have scared the **** out of anyone standing near it when it went up. Remind me not to park my car in any back streets in Sydney...! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx-6t...eature=related

robcee

Hi Revolver,

They quoted 2 hrs work. At North Shore prices it would be around 160-180.

Sydney is not a cheap place for labor. Let us know where you end up. I think mine will be on hold for a bit.

Cheers,
R

Revolver

Thanks Rob. I'll keep you posted via this thread...

enforcer

Two hours = $180?....... I'm in the wrong job.....

paulmasoner

iTrader: (1)

wow me too....

theres a running joke amongst our military. that considering we technically are on call 24/7... we've figured that the average enlisted person's pay is roughly $1.37 per hour

Revolver

Tradesmen in Sydney earn top dollar these days. There used to be a massive gap between professionals and tradies but that's no longer the case. When you add in their tax advantages (everything goes through 'the business'), knocking off at 3 or 4 o'clock and ability to indulge in cash jobs almost at will, I sometimes wonder too...

Revolver

Ok, fire extinguisher arrived today. Came with the bracket. All chrome and shiny-like. Ooooohh, pretty!

Will get the car booked in with City Performance and see how it goes...

enforcer

If you can post up a pic when the jobs done Dave that would be appreciated. I may very well take a leaf out of your book....

Revolver

Sure thing Trev. I'll borrow 'er indoors camera and see what I can do...

Monolithic1

I would go with a chrome one and not the stuff they sell at a K-mart or home depot. Check out this site, I know they ship in the United States:

http://thefiresafestore.com/index.ph...&productId=194