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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 03:00 AM
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Fire Extinguisher

RENEW now require a fire extinguisher to be fitted to the car for their track days.

So, I need to get one fitted by 6 July.

All suggestions welcome on where to get one, where to put it (under passenger seat?) and where to get it fitted...

Thanks guys.
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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 03:19 AM
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Speak to Will (RX-8).
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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 03:23 AM
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I found some pics on the forum, and you'll need to have it secured so its within arms reach. Personally, I'd have it either under or behind the front seat....

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...e+extinguisher
Attached Thumbnails Fire Extinguisher-unit.jpg   Fire Extinguisher-front.jpg   Fire Extinguisher-mount.jpg  
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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 03:54 AM
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Cheapest good quality ones are available at places like K-Mart.From memory I had mine in front of the passenger side front seat,just under the front.
Didn't interfere with the seat sliding,and was virtually out of sight,but easy to access.
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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 03:57 AM
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I got mine for less than $20 Dave from bunnings.It says CAMS approved on it and I just got it bolted to the floor in front of front passenger seat. My friend did the same but took his out after the track day.(I leave mine in so I can feel like a race car driver when I'm driving to Woolies)
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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 04:56 AM
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Something you may want to know about all Portable Fire Extinguishers is that the cheapies have a very low protection rating. You get what you pay for.

For a 1kg ABE (dry chemical power), a rating of 10B is normal & a 20B is considered excellent (for a 1KG)

For a 2kg ABE a 40B rating is considered normal & youhave to "pay" for a better rating 2kg.

For our cars, a 1kg is the best due to the size constraints. So a little search from an opposition Fire protection company found a nice chrome 1kg ABE for just $70 +GST

>>>Firebox-Australia web site<<<

After spotting that chrome PFE at the above link, I know what I am getting for the RX-8.........

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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 05:15 AM
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Mine. Professional made for a professional price . It is a U shape stainless tube bolted on the backet. The tube bolted on the seat rail. The seat can go over it to cover it.




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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 05:18 AM
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Something you may want to know about all Portable Fire Extinguishers is that the cheapies have a very low protection rating. You get what you pay for.

For a 1kg ABE (dry chemical power), a rating of 10B is normal & a 20B is considered excellent (for a 1KG)

For a 2kg ABE a 40B rating is considered normal & youhave to "pay" for a better rating 2kg.

For our cars, a 1kg is the best due to the size constraints. So a little search from an opposition Fire protection company found a nice chrome 1kg ABE for just $70 +GST

>>>Firebox-Australia web site<<<

After spotting that chrome PFE at the above link, I know what I am getting for the RX-8.........

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Whatever,

Go to the raceshop to get whatever CAMS required. No point researching.
1kg for 1 person
2kg for 2 people (ie rallying)
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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 05:55 AM
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Well when I go up in flames at the track, you other 2 guys will have to run over and help me once my made in China extinguisher fails and I will owe you one..
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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by enforcer
I found some pics on the forum, and you'll need to have it secured so its within arms reach. Personally, I'd have it either under or behind the front seat....

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...e+extinguisher
These are pics from my car, and guess what...I moved the seat back to take the pic. The seat can move full up if that's what you want, and partially cover the unit. In either case, it is completely not in the way of any passenger no matter what the seat position is set at.

Here's what the Porsche Club (that requires this in my case) says:

"NER requires a 2.5-lb. charge (minimum) class BC or ABC fire extinguisher at Driver Education events. Extinguishers with metal nozzles preferred. They must be held by a metal bracket (no plastic straps or brackets, no sheet metal or self tapping screws allowed); must be secured by at least two bolts and nuts to a metal mounting point (chassis, seat rail, roll cage, etc.); and must be reachable from the driver's seat. "

The unit itself was ~$75, the bracket I made from a piece of steel from HD for ~$5
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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 05:22 PM
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Thanks for the prompt responses guys.

I think I'd rather err on the side of caution and fit something that exceeds RENEW's requirements, rather than have to do it all over again for another track day somewhere else. So, I'll see if I can get a 2kg high rating unit to fit somewhere and investigate whether the bracket can be made easily removable as well - perhaps just leaving a mounting plate.

I don't feel confident to start bolting things in myself, much less making brackets, etc, so I think I'll find a race shop to do it for me. I assume RotorMaster would be able to do it.

Anyone know a race shop closer to the northern beaches?
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 12:20 AM
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I think a normal mechanic could do it for you Dave and would be cheaper than paying for labour at Rotormaster.It is just drilling 2 or so holes or attaching a bracket?
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Revolver
I'll see if I can get a 2kg high rating unit to fit somewhere and investigate whether the bracket can be made easily removable as well - perhaps just leaving a mounting plate?
Hmmm...surely theres another way to secure it without drilling holes in the car?
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 02:39 AM
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I think a normal mechanic could do it for you Dave and would be cheaper than paying for labour at Rotormaster.It is just drilling 2 or so holes or attaching a bracket?
Understand that. I just thought a race shop might have some clever ideas about where and how to mount it.

I intend to start using RotorMaster for general servicing anyway unless I can find a rotary specialist closer to home...don't seem to be any on the north side (or if there are nobody on here has volunteered one).
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by enforcer
Hmmm...surely theres another way to secure it without drilling holes in the car?
I doubt it Trev...
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 05:51 AM
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Well when I go up in flames at the track, you other 2 guys will have to run over and help me once my made in China extinguisher fails and I will owe you one..
When your car goes up to fire, i am the first to run since my 1L can of CAMS approved extinguisher will do ****.

I found that out...
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by enforcer
Hmmm...surely theres another way to secure it without drilling holes in the car?
That is why the raceshop make a bracket that bolt into the front 2 bolts of the passenger seat (they swab the OEM bolt to longer bolts).

EDIT: I made the picture in the earlier post bigger. See if they give you some idea Revolver.

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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 06:01 AM
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Sounds like a good setup Taka. Wish I had researched it more. I was actually in the same spot Revolver is in now last time but with only 48 hours to go when I found out the extinguisher was required..
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 07:37 AM
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As long as it does the job, and CAMS rule is not that strict, so go for any method it work I will say.

I was researching potential for the club to purchase some... what a guinea pig! End up we ditch the idea thinking it is too expensive (I think it works out way over $100 a bracket). They do fine job and I use them a lot, but they charges an arm and a leg. They do Porsches and V8 supercars that's why ... I wish I know somewhere else.
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 07:46 AM
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Making your own bracket is very simple, requiring only a vise, a drill, a couple of nuts and bolts, and some soft steel. Your mount being on the left side makes it even simpler becase the floor is flat there w/no CAT. With a few $ of material, a couple bolts and you're done, just visualize what's there and what you want - take off the plastic cap on the seat rails, loosen the rail bolts and mount your assembly after mounting your unit to the bracket. I had mine done in an hour or so including painting and it meets the required standards, of course yours may vary, but strength and being easily reachable are of paramount importance. It's an ubber easy project, rewarding, and why pay $100 for such a simple thing?
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 04:59 PM
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I was researching potential for the club to purchase some... what a guinea pig! End up we ditch the idea thinking it is too expensive (I think it works out way over $100 a bracket). They do fine job and I use them a lot, but they charges an arm and a leg. They do Porsches and V8 supercars that's why ... I wish I know somewhere else.
Thanks Taka - that gives me more to work with.

Just out of curiosity, who did it for you?
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 05:01 PM
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Making your own bracket is very simple, requiring only a vise, a drill, a couple of nuts and bolts, and some soft steel. Your mount being on the left side makes it even simpler becase the floor is flat there w/no CAT. With a few $ of material, a couple bolts and you're done, just visualize what's there and what you want - take off the plastic cap on the seat rails, loosen the rail bolts and mount your assembly after mounting your unit to the bracket. I had mine done in an hour or so including painting and it meets the required standards, of course yours may vary, but strength and being easily reachable are of paramount importance. It's an ubber easy project, rewarding, and why pay $100 for such a simple thing?
Depends what you earn an hour and how hopeless at DIY you are really.

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Old Jun 5, 2008 | 05:24 PM
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Thanks Taka - that gives me more to work with.

Just out of curiosity, who did it for you?
Melbourne performance center at Bayswater
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The guys at RENEW have recommended City Performance at Artarmon, so I might give them a go...
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For our cars, a 1kg is the best due to the size constraints. So a little search from an opposition Fire protection company found a nice chrome 1kg ABE for just $70 +GST

>>>Firebox-Australia web site<<<

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Just ordered one.
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