Viper 5704 Alarm System on RX8
11-11-2012, 02:35 AM
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Viper 5704 Alarm System on RX8
I feel it's more fitting to go on with the videos here. My first major purchase for my 2007 8 is having a authorize installer install this alarm system into my 8. The only video I have up right now is how to remote start in manual, all the other videos I have didn't turn out so good because its so windy outside today. I'm putting up these vids mainly for the purpose of others who are deciding to put an after market alarm system into their 8. For me it's great and don't need to worry too much about the possibility of a vehicle break in. I know it's not common for an 8 to be broken into but you never know. Where I work at it's not the good side of downtown Austin TX so I feel like my 8 needs protection. Anyways for me I've always known with any alarm system no matter what it is or how bullet proof the dealer or seller will tell you, you never have to worry again about anyone trying to steal your stuff or your car. I call BS on that, if someone wants it, they'll take it doesn't matter what you have or how theft proof your system is.
But in regards to this, it's a great detorrent (meaning reduce the chance) of anyone who's attempting or wants to break into your vehicle. Especially during the holidays when theft is high and have personally dealt with it threw my years of work on security systems and when I was 21 armed security. (Currently in the works of getting my Bachelors in CJ) Anyways lets move onto the good stuff.
I originally purchase a Viper 5901 online from ebay for around $200 bucks (not bad) considering it's 3 years old. Bought the Audio Sensor, Tilt sensor, Back up battery and Window Module from Direct Electronics also the idatalink (idatalink was given by a friend of mine) on ebay in the end was $80. In the end it was around $298 dollars plus paying for shipping on the alarm system itself. As for installation I paid an additional $200 for the install which brought the price up to $498 dollars for the install by an authorize viper dealer. Moving on the course of 8 hours turned into 3 days. Your thinking why did it take 3 days to do an 8 hour Job. Well for one this dealer never installed this system into an RX8 before. They've worked on exotics (Example Corvettes,Ferrari's etc.) Economic vehicles but not an 8. So that had a big factor into this alarm installation.
So what ended up happening was the dealer installed all the features but had problems with the remote start for my 8. It over cranked every time they attempt to remote start it. Then they told me that the tact generator needs to be replaced but they ate the cost on that one. So the final day they installed the new generator and attempt to setup the remote start only for it not to work and still over cranked. In the end after the guy who's been working with me told me he's over the phone with viper and they said that the brain of the alarm is the problem (meaning the 5901 alarm itself). They gave me 2 options to rather live without the remote start or buy one of there viper alarm systems. After some advice I decided to buy one of their viper systems instead since I want to have all the features of the alarm system. So after spending another $300 for the alarm system with install. They did the brain swap which took another 3 hours to do and keep in mind I work nights and staying up for 25 hours ontop of a 35 mile drive home. So after they swap the brain and rewiring, the car still over cranked but after calling viper up and the dealer working on my car they finally managed to get the remote start to work fine.
So what did I learn from all, with any alarm system if you don't have the knowledge or experience of wiring or working on complicated systems like this it's gonna cost you for a dealer to install the system for you. Also keep in mind that I spent an additional $300 bucks for the new alarm system. I know you can burn me all you want about me spending the additional money to have them install theirs into my 8 but with having it covered under warranty which the 5901 wasn't because viper has a rule stating they do not sell pacifically online (not sure if it's true or not) but that's what I was told by them. Yes it's the lifetime warranty so if anything happens I can send it back for a new one. For me why did I go threw all the hades to install an alarm system into my 8? Peace of mind knowing that my 8 has protection to some degree from the outside world. The basic alarm system is good but for the true car enthusiast like myself it's worth having that mind set that I have something that will reduce the chance of being a victim again. Yes your 8 has the transponder key/proxy card and all but the chances of someone who is skilled can copy your key like anything else credit card etc. If they want to take your 8, they can but if you have an after market alarm system. For me I want them to work hard for it lol God forbid it to ever happen.
Alright now after reading this long story about what I went threw I'll post up the videos. So far all I have is one since today the weather was super windy as previously stated.
Use Remote Start for Manual Mode:
But in regards to this, it's a great detorrent (meaning reduce the chance) of anyone who's attempting or wants to break into your vehicle. Especially during the holidays when theft is high and have personally dealt with it threw my years of work on security systems and when I was 21 armed security. (Currently in the works of getting my Bachelors in CJ) Anyways lets move onto the good stuff.
I originally purchase a Viper 5901 online from ebay for around $200 bucks (not bad) considering it's 3 years old. Bought the Audio Sensor, Tilt sensor, Back up battery and Window Module from Direct Electronics also the idatalink (idatalink was given by a friend of mine) on ebay in the end was $80. In the end it was around $298 dollars plus paying for shipping on the alarm system itself. As for installation I paid an additional $200 for the install which brought the price up to $498 dollars for the install by an authorize viper dealer. Moving on the course of 8 hours turned into 3 days. Your thinking why did it take 3 days to do an 8 hour Job. Well for one this dealer never installed this system into an RX8 before. They've worked on exotics (Example Corvettes,Ferrari's etc.) Economic vehicles but not an 8. So that had a big factor into this alarm installation.
So what ended up happening was the dealer installed all the features but had problems with the remote start for my 8. It over cranked every time they attempt to remote start it. Then they told me that the tact generator needs to be replaced but they ate the cost on that one. So the final day they installed the new generator and attempt to setup the remote start only for it not to work and still over cranked. In the end after the guy who's been working with me told me he's over the phone with viper and they said that the brain of the alarm is the problem (meaning the 5901 alarm itself). They gave me 2 options to rather live without the remote start or buy one of there viper alarm systems. After some advice I decided to buy one of their viper systems instead since I want to have all the features of the alarm system. So after spending another $300 for the alarm system with install. They did the brain swap which took another 3 hours to do and keep in mind I work nights and staying up for 25 hours ontop of a 35 mile drive home. So after they swap the brain and rewiring, the car still over cranked but after calling viper up and the dealer working on my car they finally managed to get the remote start to work fine.
So what did I learn from all, with any alarm system if you don't have the knowledge or experience of wiring or working on complicated systems like this it's gonna cost you for a dealer to install the system for you. Also keep in mind that I spent an additional $300 bucks for the new alarm system. I know you can burn me all you want about me spending the additional money to have them install theirs into my 8 but with having it covered under warranty which the 5901 wasn't because viper has a rule stating they do not sell pacifically online (not sure if it's true or not) but that's what I was told by them. Yes it's the lifetime warranty so if anything happens I can send it back for a new one. For me why did I go threw all the hades to install an alarm system into my 8? Peace of mind knowing that my 8 has protection to some degree from the outside world. The basic alarm system is good but for the true car enthusiast like myself it's worth having that mind set that I have something that will reduce the chance of being a victim again. Yes your 8 has the transponder key/proxy card and all but the chances of someone who is skilled can copy your key like anything else credit card etc. If they want to take your 8, they can but if you have an after market alarm system. For me I want them to work hard for it lol God forbid it to ever happen.
Alright now after reading this long story about what I went threw I'll post up the videos. So far all I have is one since today the weather was super windy as previously stated.
Use Remote Start for Manual Mode:
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11-11-2012, 07:14 AM
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You most likely got hosed for a new alarm. Your installer if he was DEI authorize should have had a tool called a bit writer. It actually programs the viper brain on how long to crank. It can be done with the valet button in programming mode. But can be a challenge.
In addition DEI stands behind their product if installed by an authorized dealer. Did you actually speak to the people at DEI?
In addition DEI stands behind their product if installed by an authorized dealer. Did you actually speak to the people at DEI?
11-11-2012, 02:28 PM
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Your right man I should of taken that phone from them and talk to DEI myself to see what the world there talking about and explain to me why it's not working. Most likely did got hosed for a new alarm system, but I mean I saw them work on my car for hours and the remote start took the longest time to fix. Like I say wish I was an expert with these things would of saved a ton of money and time.
11-11-2012, 06:08 PM
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You absolutely got hosed and I'd be afraid to see the install those inexperienced installers did. And as a side note, even a top notch full-featured setup shouldn't take 8 hours in any car. Not for someone with experience. And without experience, you're not coming within 40 feet of my car...
EDIT: This reminds me.... I took this picture this past Tuesday. Customer brought the car (Chevy Avalanche) to me claiming they paid a shop down the road big bucks to do an install and nothing works in it.
Additionally, the headunit and two channels on the 5-channel amp were fried. It was a disaster behind the headunit too. And for whatever reason, they had the FR and RL speakers wired together at the amp. :-/
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11-12-2012, 06:40 AM
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Yep.
And yep.
You absolutely got hosed and I'd be afraid to see the install those inexperienced installers did. And as a side note, even a top notch full-featured setup shouldn't take 8 hours in any car. Not for someone with experience. And without experience, you're not coming within 40 feet of my car...
EDIT: This reminds me.... I took this picture this past Tuesday. Customer brought the car (Chevy Avalanche) to me claiming they paid a shop down the road big bucks to do an install and nothing works in it.
Additionally, the headunit and two channels on the 5-channel amp were fried. It was a disaster behind the headunit too. And for whatever reason, they had the FR and RL speakers wired together at the amp. :-/
And yep.
You absolutely got hosed and I'd be afraid to see the install those inexperienced installers did. And as a side note, even a top notch full-featured setup shouldn't take 8 hours in any car. Not for someone with experience. And without experience, you're not coming within 40 feet of my car...
EDIT: This reminds me.... I took this picture this past Tuesday. Customer brought the car (Chevy Avalanche) to me claiming they paid a shop down the road big bucks to do an install and nothing works in it.
Additionally, the headunit and two channels on the 5-channel amp were fried. It was a disaster behind the headunit too. And for whatever reason, they had the FR and RL speakers wired together at the amp. :-/
Note: At least all my stuff is neatly stored in a container.
Last edited by Leonheart; 11-12-2012 at 06:43 AM.
07-11-2015, 11:45 AM
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Next, why on god's green Earth would you buy the 556U for this car? And secondly, the MT-3 is also completely unnecessary. The RX8 has a neutral safety switch wire. You'll need a relay for the clutch too.
Please. Friend to friend. Take this to a professional. This isn't anything like a head unit or amplifier install. Not even close. You've already bought parts you don't want/need and if you're asking for help in the manner you are, you're clearly in over your head. I'm not trying to be a dick, but rather giving you the best advice you need.
07-11-2015, 02:56 PM
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First and foremost, let me underline that this is NOT the car you want to learn on. Especially a manual transmission. Like, to the point I don't want to help you for your own good. And also please realize that if you attempt this install, hack it up, and then try to bring it to a professional, most shops aren't even going to touch it after you've hacked it up. I know I wouldn't. It's simply not worth the risk/time invested to figure out what you've done/haven't done and extend/repair wires you've cut, etc. You'd be paying triple or walking out the door.
Next, why on god's green Earth would you buy the 556U for this car? And secondly, the MT-3 is also completely unnecessary. The RX8 has a neutral . You'll need a relay for the clutch too.
Please. Friend to friend. Take this to a professional. This isn't anything like a head unit or amplifier install. Not even close. You've already bought parts you don't want/need and if you're asking for help in the manner you are, you're clearly in over your head. I'm not trying to be a dick, but rather giving you the best advice you need.
Next, why on god's green Earth would you buy the 556U for this car? And secondly, the MT-3 is also completely unnecessary. The RX8 has a neutral . You'll need a relay for the clutch too.
Please. Friend to friend. Take this to a professional. This isn't anything like a head unit or amplifier install. Not even close. You've already bought parts you don't want/need and if you're asking for help in the manner you are, you're clearly in over your head. I'm not trying to be a dick, but rather giving you the best advice you need.
It's viper who informe me i need a mi-3 and 556u !! and no Professional to put it !
07-11-2015, 04:13 PM
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I paid the "learning price" with this thing. Bought a viper module, dball2 to bypass the key and all, but there is no way I could have installed it.
First of all, not all modules work on MT and viper doesn't inform that clearly. To the point that even the people that sell them aren't sure which ones do or don't work.
Second, the complete wiring instructions are only available to distributors and installers and it's paid. The instructions that come with the module are nowhere near enough to hook it up.
At least I found all of this before hacking up my car.
First of all, not all modules work on MT and viper doesn't inform that clearly. To the point that even the people that sell them aren't sure which ones do or don't work.
Second, the complete wiring instructions are only available to distributors and installers and it's paid. The instructions that come with the module are nowhere near enough to hook it up.
At least I found all of this before hacking up my car.
07-11-2015, 04:25 PM
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I paid the "learning price" with this thing. Bought a viper module, dball2 to bypass the key and all, but there is no way I could have installed it.
First of all, not all modules work on MT and viper doesn't inform that clearly. To the point that even the people that sell them aren't sure which ones do or don't work.
Second, the complete wiring instructions are only available to distributors and installers and it's paid. The instructions that come with the module are nowhere near enough to hook it up.
At least I found all of this before hacking up my car.
First of all, not all modules work on MT and viper doesn't inform that clearly. To the point that even the people that sell them aren't sure which ones do or don't work.
Second, the complete wiring instructions are only available to distributors and installers and it's paid. The instructions that come with the module are nowhere near enough to hook it up.
At least I found all of this before hacking up my car.
i'm from France, and no distributors or installers here.... i just need dball2 ? i don't know anythink about this product...
07-11-2015, 04:31 PM
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dball is another module, that talks to the viper module and bypasses the key transponder when you remote start your car.
Like firebirdude said, go to a professional. Viper alarms/starters are not DIY friendly.
Like firebirdude said, go to a professional. Viper alarms/starters are not DIY friendly.
09-26-2020, 02:18 PM
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Hello everyone,
it’s been a super long time. I don’t own the car anymore as it was wrecked when someone side swiped me on the road back in 2012. However I wanted to update this thread with a new YouTube link so everyone can see the install of the viper alarm install on this car. It’s possible and I’m still working with the viper tech to get the layout on what wires are needed for this install. If you have any questions feel free to reach out to me.
it’s been a super long time. I don’t own the car anymore as it was wrecked when someone side swiped me on the road back in 2012. However I wanted to update this thread with a new YouTube link so everyone can see the install of the viper alarm install on this car. It’s possible and I’m still working with the viper tech to get the layout on what wires are needed for this install. If you have any questions feel free to reach out to me.
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Hello everyone,
it’s been a super long time. I don’t own the car anymore as it was wrecked when someone side swiped me on the road back in 2012. However I wanted to update this thread with a new YouTube link so everyone can see the install of the viper alarm install on this car. It’s possible and I’m still working with the viper tech to get the layout on what wires are needed for this install. If you have any questions feel free to reach out to me.
https://youtu.be/WOpRHjowrB4
it’s been a super long time. I don’t own the car anymore as it was wrecked when someone side swiped me on the road back in 2012. However I wanted to update this thread with a new YouTube link so everyone can see the install of the viper alarm install on this car. It’s possible and I’m still working with the viper tech to get the layout on what wires are needed for this install. If you have any questions feel free to reach out to me.
https://youtu.be/WOpRHjowrB4
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