ShellDude

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oooo .... so then just the crazy $800 Mazda IDS annual subscription and my open port.

I imagine we'd have a bit more than what we get with mep/cobb.... particularly in the areas of diagnostics.

From what I've seen of IDS second hand, while the interface may appear clunky, you can do a shitton of diagnostics work with it... obviously any modifications to the maps themselves would still have to be done via mep.

ASH8

Mazda/Ford IDS will not, repeat will not give you ANY 'tuning' capabilities.

It does not and never has work this way.

What is it is a full factory Dealer diagnostic tool and re-programming tool for FACTORY settings which are non-adjustable (tune)...used for DTC and repair issues and as I said re-programming to a default setting to how the car was originally made (ABD) if modules are renewed, you can not tune with it in anyway.

Be vary careful on the cheap VCM (VCM II ) clones as almost all are cheap Chinese and have some very dubious reliability issues.

Fine as a scanner only, but I would never use one for re-programming modules like ECU/PCM, BCE, etc.

ShellDude

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yeah yeah, Ash... I didn't mean to say "tuning" as in modifying maps... as a matter of fact if you read my post I said we still have to use something like mep to modify them....

but if I have a new ECU and I want to pair to my immobilizer or if I want to do deep diagnostics it definitely looks like what we're missing.

Still is cost prohibitive for someone like me though. I may need to reprogram / pair an ECU and car once every 5 years and since there are dealers out there (I haven't found one yet) that have enough brains to do it for you if you pay $200 then the only real benefit would be deep diagnostics for the 12 months you have the license... assuming you purchase the license in January.

What do you think about using the open port for re-programming? Since we use it reliably with MEP is there any reason to think it would not be as reliable as the Mazda unit?

ASH8

You have to use Mazda IDS if you replace any factory ECU, SAS, BCE, Immo...

The "Mazda VCM II" link (Aliexpress) for a $179 unit is just a cheap knock off junk which I would never use and they are giving issues out in the real world, they look the same, if you want a genuine VCM II anything between $900 Dealer price- $1795 (retail rip off from MNAO).

Genuine use Bosch diagnostic manager software for VCM II operation with the PC's installed IDS, and the problem with clone VCM (VCI) is they don't always interface with IDS properly, it really is hit or miss.
Some guys (Independent Operators) have success with the cheap clones, some fry up modules or just crash systems.

So yeah, basically if you don't want to buy a decent VCM II (VCI) and pay for a IDS licence you really are wasting your money...for the average car owner go to a Dealer, there are some good ones out there who know 'how to'.

As Ford still control Mazda IDS (proprietary) which is now actually separated from Ford from a diagnostics point of view you could once use a joint Ford IDS and Mazda IDS together, you can now no longer do so, since Mazda divorced from Ford about 2 years ago.

The strong rumour is soon (2016) all IDS will be 'live only' and via a dedicated subscription only website, rather than the IDS separated software App we have now...you will still need a VCM (pass through) from a PC to cars DLC though.

ShellDude

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Thanks, Ash.... pretty much everything I wanted to know you guys have helped explain.

ASH8

Mazda IDS software (Ford) does not give anyone 'tuning capabilities', never has.

Legot

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ok.

ASH8

Sorry I forgot...

Open port or mep or Mazdaedit works fine by many users, I have nothing against it at all.

I just don't want guys here to think they can change map settings or alter with IDS, over the years I have found no one who has 'cracked it' (with Ford or Mazda IDS) to alter it's calibration capabilities away from permitted factory settings/adjustments.

It (IDS) is great for (DTC) Diagnostic procedure and the Initializing/Config OE modules, factory calibration updates, PATS, data logging, live graphs etc....but it will not change anything which alters the "As Built" function(s) of your original car from a ''off the vehicle production line'' point of view.

ShellDude

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For me having the full view of things is important.

IDS is our bootstrap

MEP is our patcher

Legot

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So I'm having issues regarding which parameters I can log to my PC.

I'm trying to scale my MAF, but I can't seem to find the Mass Air Flow (OBD) Parameter. I can find MAF voltage, but I can't find the actual flow. Also, I can't find Equivalent Ratio (but is that ATR specific?)

Thanks.

auzoom

if I am not mistaken, Equivalent Ratio is AFR (Air/Fuel Ratio) ... OBD gives you Lambda ... You need to convert them.

Lambda x Stoichiometric Ratio = AFR

Stoichiometric Ratio = ~14.7

Brettus

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Select : 'Mazda can' not ' Mazda RX8 can'

madrotor

Fantastic thread to say the least, great effort has been put in here !!
I am going FI induction soon and being an engineer I can't help myself with wanting to do everything with my own hands, I was considering the tuning options and came across this thread while researching Mazdaedit which brings me to a good question, does the software come with some kind of FI base map included ?
Thanks in advance

Brettus

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No .....

madrotor

Thanks Brettus, forgive my ignorant question, it's just I haven't bought the software yet. Do you have any suggestions for that matter ?

Brettus

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Read all the threads on tuning . or .......... pm me

madrotor

TOP MAN Brettus !! I'll defo go through the threads & I will message you mate !! Thanks a lot !!!

ShellDude

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RE: standalone logging

I just found this on a suby forum and figured I'd share... this is pretty friggin neat for those of us that have the LC-1.

archwisp

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This thread is epic, guys. I've done a few standalone logs with my OpenPort to start getting a handle on what my car is doing. I've purchased ME Personal and I'm in the waiting stage for that. In the meantime, I'm reading every post in each of these tuning related threads.

Thanks for all your input for the community.

archwisp

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A bit in the data overload stage at this point. Logging every trip and watching Kane's first few videos for the second time now.

My commanded afrs and real afrs are within .0001% but they are too lean and too rich in many places. But my trims are between 2.4 and 3.4 in the 2000-4500 rpm ranges.

I'm still trying to figure out how to correct those trims before I adjust my commanded AFRs.

archwisp

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Hey guys, as you know, I just got my Tactrix and ME and I'm still in the very early learning stages. I've watched Kane's videos a bunch of times and done a lot of reading but there is one major thing that is still eluding me.

During WOT, my target and actual AFRs are about 20% off. But the thing that has me the most confused is that the target AFR does not match the value in the Open Loop Fuel table.

For instance, at 8226 RPM, 100% calc load, and 3.88v MAF, my logged target AFR is 13.27 and my actual AFR is 11.07 (16.5% off in this case). But the matching entry in the Open Loop Fuel table is 11.47.

Can someone please explain why the logged target is different than the value in the table?

Thanks,
Bryan

wcs

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Just worry about the results and not the variations in the Fuel Tables.
If it works, just leave it.

archwisp

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So for calculating open loop corrections - should I be manually looking up the AFRs in the table and comparing them to the actual AFR that is logged?

When I do that, things seem to make a little more sense. Maybe that is the piece that I was missing.

Byrger

Where did Epifan, how to contact them?
I want to buy MazdaEdit

In almost no response

Brettus

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what do you mean ?

epifanSoftware | mazdaEdit