AstronomerB

So in continuation of the post where I wrote my car broke down on the highway after driving 8 hours to Calgary, I was 30 mins from my destination and she just died.

They replaced the Engine mounts, cat converter, o2 sensor

and now they said it was caused by ignition coils and everything
100 bucks a wire
so with everything im looking at 600-700 bucks cuz the ignition stuff is not warrenty

Car was driving fine before the stall, no probs recorded, gsa mileage was perfect (For this car) and emmsiion test was fine last february

any thoughts?
think there trying to get some cash out of me?
I told them not to install it yet, i might look to get it myself and install my own and buy off here somewhere

thanks

Steve

Socket7

BHR is selling a kit right now that use GMC yukon coils. $375 shipped with everything you need to make it work. The GMC coils are far more durable then the OEM ones. Install them yourself, save 300 bucks and never worry about the damn things again. You might even pick up some MPG.

I think BHR is even shipping them at this point, but they might not be quite finished yet. Go check his thread for more details.

04RX8man

yeah you def can get alot cheaper deal by doing it yourself...either off here or go to the local autozone advance whatever auto parts store up there and get some wires and just to **** the dealers off change that shi* in their parking lot ahaha....does it run right now or are they just suggesting this now?

AstronomerB

They replaced the cat converter, o2 sensor , engine mounts,

said they started it up and it still same issues

then they said it was ignition coils, wires etc. but plugs are still good.

I dont mind getting my own and installing myself, i could change them myself, but what Im worried about is doing that, starting it up, having the same problems and then thinking SHEEEEE-OT I gotta bring it BACK to them to find out what else the problem could be

no what i mean>?

Are there performance ones that are good to get?
Im looking at that one they posted above for the yukon.
Thanks man

Steve

Brettus

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Go for the BHR coils . You will need to replace the OEM coils sooner or later anyway so just do it , even if your coils are OK the BHR will be a good upgrade .

AstronomerB

So is it save to say that this is kinda rediculous for the dealer to give me these prices below;



plugs wire set = $86.48
4 coils - 101.12 x 4 = $404.48

1.5labour 119.50 = 179.25

$670.21

And they said the spark plugs are fine!
And there totally expensive if I buy them so better to just keep the ones i have


: QUESTION :
I see that the oem sparkplugs sell for more money then the NGK spark plugs
What do you recommend, I want to keep my vehicle pretty well stock, Im not into Modds unless the quality is better, but Im not looking for 5hp here and there...

thanks guys
muchly appreicated!

kersh4w

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http://finishlineperformance.com/sto...cat=273&page=1

ignition coils are $26 at rosenthal mazda. have them shipped overnight to your friends house and then bring the parts in and pay labour. or if the car runs (albeit badly) drive it off the (or just push it off) the dealer lot to a nearby parking space and replace the coils yourself.

all you need is 10mm socket wrench. just remove the airbox and bam, there they are.

buy spark plugs from charles r hill, he'll do ~$80 for a set of 4.

Brettus

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There are 3 coil upgrades that are way better quality than OEM
BHR
Mazsport
Esmeril

Put OEM ones back in and you will be fine - but you will need another set in 25 -30000 miles .

kersh4w

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im not a fan of the mazsport coils. i went back to oem. so i disagree with your statement.

esmeril... i dont know, i havent heard anything so that means i dont trust them.

BHR coils have mazdamaniac's research, who i highly respect, but they dont have 6 months being tested on users for real reviews.

AstronomerB

Could you marinate on that subject a bit please.
I was going to actually call them tomorrow. The site looks legit and had all the information I was looking for.

Any idea why NGK Spark Plugs are $55 bucks and OEM are $150? Makes me scared and think I should stick with OEM if the NGK are that much cheaper!

Im nervous but want to buy the right stuff!
Thanks

Steve

Clavius

Buy OEM Coils from Rosenthal Mazda or from OnlineMazdaparts.com for about $26-$30 a pop and save yourself a TON of cash. Dealers have their mark ups and forget that in this day and age the Internet is always cheaper. That and my own previous dealer claimed they wouldnt install anything unless it was in a Mazda Box. You'll get the real deal for real cheap and no hassels from them only a "why didnt you just buy them from us?".

Upgrade to aftermarket (BHR!) afterwards. Just so you dont run into any warrenty issue's down the line. "Oh your engine died because of your aftermarket coils (we are lying but hey you'll fall for it!), so we are not covering the replacement. Have a nice day!".

Clavius

Mark up for a decent Profit Margin. As the saying goes a sucker is born every minute and still not alot of people will think to look around in the face of a dealer service rep telling them it will cost $$$$ to repair your car. My own dealer wanted me to shell out $400 for plugs, I bought them from AkinsRotary for $124 (had them overnighted could of been $90).

Brettus

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Please elaborate .
There is a thread on here where everyone raves about them - but there are stories around from few who don't . I for one would like to get to the bottom of this ....

With regard to the other 2 options - I guess you are right in that they are as yet untested . Mazsport however has 100s of them out there with only a few detractors.
BTW - I do have them and they have been fine for me (apart from a cel due to JDM ECU differences)

04RX8man

yeah I would just do it yourself you will save yourself alot of money on parts and nearly 200 dollars on labor...so what if it still runs like **** and you have to take it back you're stilll saving the money but by the sounds of it replacing these few items shoud fix it...even know they said the plugs were good i personally would replace them

nycgps

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Do it yourself. Get it from Tommy @ Rosenthal AKA Finishlineperformance.com or Jason @ OnlineMazdaParts.com. around what 26-27 each. the wires I think around 50 something 60 bux. Get 4 coils and a set of wires. install it urself. about 1 hour of time.

You will need a phillips screw driver to remove the airbox. loosen up the tube, disconnect all the connected wires (the VFAD and MAF), then just pull the whole box out with ur hands. then u will need a 10mm socket, 6 inches extension bar and a ratchet (1/4" ratchet will do). thats it.

AstronomerB

Thanks man
Will call Jason tomorrow and see what they can do!
I'm hoping to get it er all done this coming weekend, be nice to have the parts

Cheers;

Steve

Mazurfer

I'd like to hear his(Kersh4W) reasons as well, because mine have been in for months and no issues. Maybe he was expecting too much? I wish when people did this they gave just a little more info. It's fine that he doesn't like them.......but why?

Razz1

I would go with the stock setup for cost reasons.

Mazsport is great unless you have FI set-up and no one has set their dwell properly to test them with FI and give us Feedback.

No feedback on the other two offerings yet.

Well at least not enough on the Esmeril to figure any opinons yet

Your cost may be fine since your in Canada.

If you were in USA you probably could get the coils replaced for free. Its been a hit and miss. Some get free coils and wires and others don't.

DMRH

Here is a thread on the coil subject that has many different perspectives for you to read through. Plus a few handy hints

>>> Burnt out Coil thread <<<

REgards

kersh4w

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ok, so here goes.

many people are happy with their mazsport coils. mazsport is a great company imo, they have posted ~365whp turbocharged cars. they know their stuff. the coils were developed for turbo cars however.

there are many things that can go wrong in drag racing, which i do every so often. granted, it could have been my coils or my plugs, but.. i dont know. anyway, absolutely stock i had a few runs with a trap speed of 92-93mph and times in the 14s. i installed the mazsport ignition and expected my times to improve, 10whp is 10whp. not only did i take more out of the car, but when i went to the track a month or two later my trap speeds never passed 91.

over 7 runs. some with 2.1 60 foots, which, previously, would put me in the high 14s. 14.7s or thereabout. yet, my best run was 15.00 @ 91, and frankly it was pretty close to perfect. i was losing power somewhere.

in my very humble opinion (as i am very much a car noob* and no where on the level of mazdamaniac or rotarygod or whoever) i believe that for my car, the mazsport coils reduced my hp. for your car, maybe it works great. and hey, awesome. im jealous, i lost over $100 when i sold mine.

after the BHR coils are released, i'll wait 6 months to see real dynos posted by members. even though, i've never seen mazdamaniac not deliver, i've learned my lesson.

everything said, i have a lot of respect for mazsport. if i could afford their turbos i would definitely buy them. if i needed a part from them (like their clutch bracket) i would buy it. and i do intend to buy their clutch bracket when i have the available cash. its just that their ignition system simply did not work for me.

*i admit to being a car noob, but im not clueless. i've replaced the cylinder heads on bmws a few times, e30s and e36s. and enough other engine work to know my way around an engine bay. but i can see very easily i have a lot to learn. if i could get over my fear of my strange engine, im sure i could rip it out and rebuild it myself. that said, i am most definitely a noob.

Mazurfer

Thanks for the clarification.............it's all we wanted. And.......it's a good data point rather than us guessing.
I for one, didn't buy it as a HP upgrade.

05rex8

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interesting...

Brettus

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Many thanks for your honesty . There was a sugestion from someone else as well that hp was reduced . I'm not convinced this is the case but there is enough doubt in my mind to want to check it out for myself .

Brettus

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I just remembered that I have done a comparative test of near new OEM coils with the Mazsport coils using scanalyser . My original intention was to show the performance gain of the Mazsport coils vs stock . When the results showed no real gain I didn't bother posting it . However in light of these recent claims that performance is in fact impaired I feel the test has some relevance.
The tests were done within two days of eachother and ambient temp. was within 2deg C .
They were from a rolling start in 2nd gear @ 50km/hr(31mph) through to 160km/hr(100mph) in 3rd gear WOT .

To put this into perspective and compare with Kersh4w's 1/4 mile runs - a 0.3s difference would be 2 full graduations on the x axis .
As you can see there is practically no difference whatsoever . My conclusion - no power gained , no power lost .

kersh4w

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it looks like oem coil run 2 is on top most of the time. at least you dont have any serious performance hit.