I was up the 1/4 drag strip this past Weds in NH and there was a guy there with a Dark Silver RX-8. He looked to be in his mid 20's and I asked him how it likes it, he like it he said but expected more power. The car had 2200 miles on it and was a 6MT. He said he races his other cars (350HP Eclipse GST and a Crotchrocket) so he is no stranger to the 1/4. All day in about 5 runs he could not break 15.4@96mph, on average he was running 15.5 around 95mph.

He said he was pretty dissapointed and thought he would be running consistant high 14's at least. He said he's going to the dealership for answers this weekend.

This post sounds vaguely familiar...

LIKE EVERY OTHER FREAKING POST THAT'S MADE BY <insert other car here> OWNERS.

Please, we've heard it all... let's wait for a resolution or answer first... then we can talk about how slow the RX-8 is in comparison to <insert car here> afterwards, because those people still don't get the point.

I do however, look forward to an answer from Mazda about this.

I'd like to see that dealer trip "so i was drag-racing my car, and ..."

Also, this is from C&D
the RX-8 scooted to 60 mph in 5.9 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 14.5 seconds at 96 mph

Odd that he's almost a second slower, but with the same trap speed...

Maybe he just loves his clutch too much? :D

ps: I think all the fear is a bit reactionary, just thought the comparison was interesting...

Or maybe it's just another troll....

Either way...

I am not trying to put it the rx down at all, just telling my 1st experience seeing one at the track. Also the one that got a 5.9 0-60 was an overseas pre-production model which didn't even feature a full production interior.

I'm sure Mazda will have a solution to this eventually, there is no way they will let this be another Miata case..

Where exactly in NH was this? Wouldn't mind going to see this guy if he is a regular visitor to the 1/4m strip?

Originally posted by Blue 350z
I am not trying to put it the rx down at all, just telling my 1st experience seeing one at the track. Also the one that got a 5.9 0-60 was an overseas pre-production model which didn't even feature a full production interior.

I'm sure Mazda will have a solution to this eventually, there is no way they will let this be another Miata case.. Are you on something?

Hell, I can hand time my car and get ~6 seconds to 60. The car that was tested with those numbers was... guess what.... fully furnished as opposed to your idea of the car not having a full interior?

There's a reason why you have a 350Z and were sitting at a drag strip. The RX-8 buyers that know what the car is about won't be there.... they'll be wringing out that 6 speed thru some twisties.

That 5.9s dash to 60 is right on target with the current car. It's been tested numerous times from Road and Track, Car and Driver, and a lot of other places that used a similarly set up car. Hell, the production models in Europe that get 231 horses still dash to 62 in 6.3 seconds... so add 20 ponies and reduce the speed by 2 mph and you have your deficit.

Please take your misinformation back to the 350Z boards, as I'm sure it's appreciated there. We are all pretty well read on the cars and passing off your misinformation is rather an insult, just like if we came to the 350Z forums and started posting information about how somebody ran a 15 second quarter.

I thought the forum was to discuss things openly not to bash someone if they post something that has already been talked about

Originally posted by mikeb
I thought the forum was to discuss things openly not to bash someone if they post something that has already been talked about

maybe people are just tired of everyone fear-mongering about the dyno issue? (Especially people who have no apparent interest in ownership, or have been putting the car down in past posts...)



http://www.bcsalmon.ca/bcsmc/jpg/trolling.jpg

My dealer sponsors race days at the local track. One of the dealership's gear heads (works in service) took the owner's RX8 demo to the strip and got a 14.9 1/4 (with the time slip to prove it) from a totally showroom RX8 GT with just one run.

The guy who said he got mid 15s can't be that good of a driver.

Originally posted by Hercules
Are you on something?

Hell, I can hand time my car and get ~6 seconds to 60. The car that was tested with those numbers was... guess what.... fully furnished as opposed to your idea of the car not having a full interior?

There's a reason why you have a 350Z and were sitting at a drag strip. The RX-8 buyers that know what the car is about won't be there.... they'll be wringing out that 6 speed thru some twisties.

That 5.9s dash to 60 is right on target with the current car. It's been tested numerous times from Road and Track, Car and Driver, and a lot of other places that used a similarly set up car. Hell, the production models in Europe that get 231 horses still dash to 62 in 6.3 seconds... so add 20 ponies and reduce the speed by 2 mph and you have your deficit.

Please take your misinformation back to the 350Z boards, as I'm sure it's appreciated there. We are all pretty well read on the cars and passing off your misinformation is rather an insult, just like if we came to the 350Z forums and started posting information about how somebody ran a 15 second quarter.

How exactly did you hand-time your 0-60 and how accurate is it?

Hercules, I know you're a mod and all but damn you seem to have switched gears completely since the car has come out. When I first started coming here you seemed to be level headed, but now you act like the biggest troll here. Nearly every post I see from you lately is full of passive agressive behavior, and sometimes it's not so passive.

No I don't own the car, but I came here because I was curious about the car and my fiance is in the market for a new sporty car. I get the feeling from you that you would only want RX-8 owners in here so you can just live in ignorance of what the rest of the car community is thinking about the RX-8.


Ike

Isn't there something to be said for the .1-.5s you can get from a 8500 rpm dump on a pre-laid strip of rubber? The capability is there, and always has been I say

Aha! I never understood the derivation of 'trolling' as applied to internet forums but now I do. In my version of english the word to fish in the manner described above is 'trawling' and a 'troll' is a Norwegian mythical small creature. It all makes sense now.

I think you're thinking Gnome, I believe trolls are thought to be rather large :p

Originally posted by Lensman
Aha! I never understood the derivation of 'trolling' as applied to internet forums but now I do. In my version of english the word to fish in the manner described above is 'trawling' and a 'troll' is a Norwegian mythical small creature. It all makes sense now.

Glad to help! :cool:

well who knows maybe thos enorwegian trolls are on the small side:D really though no tot take this too far off topic, ive always heard those fishing boats called "trawlers" also and a troll is a rather large not very intelligent and belligerrent kind of creature. remember the large creature in LOTR Two Towers in the battle in the mines of moria that was brought in in chains and had a tree for a club? that was a Troll i believe.

Not sure about C&D. But please please do not trust Road & Track's times. Theirs are always faster than the general mags and real life. they tested the S2000 at 4.8 to 60mph! So if you believe R&T's time of the rx-8 is 5.9 then you'd believe the s2k's sub 5second too then eh? ;)

Originally posted by delhi
Not sure about C&D. But please please do not trust Road & Track's times. Theirs are always faster than the general mags and real life. they tested the S2000 at 4.8 to 60mph! So if you believe R&T's time of the rx-8 is 5.9 then you'd believe the s2k's sub 5second too then eh? ;)

R&T never got 4.8 for the s2000

C&D had the S2k's stock time as 5.8...

(and 14.4 at 98)


R&T said
5.5
and 14.1 at 99.6

R&T is dumb, they contradict themselves.

here they compare the s2000 with the RSX and it got 4.9:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=155&page_number=5


but here, they test a supercharged s2000 and say "In the 0-to-60-mph sprint the supercharger pared but a tenth of a second — 5.5 sec. versus 5.4 — off our stock benchmark"

so even tho they didnt get 4.8, they still dont have much crediability, cant even get their story straight.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
I think you're thinking Gnome, I believe trolls are thought to be rather large :p

It appears we're both right...! (http://www.cyberclip.com/Katrine/NorwayInfo/words/troll.html) :)

apologies for taking the thread off the beaten track...

Originally posted by tribal azn2
R&T is dumb, they contradict themselves.

here they compare the s2000 with the RSX and it got 4.9:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=155&page_number=5


but here, they test a supercharged s2000 and say "In the 0-to-60-mph sprint the supercharger pared but a tenth of a second — 5.5 sec. versus 5.4 — off our stock benchmark"

so even tho they didnt get 4.8, they still dont have much crediability, cant even get their story straight.

I find it odd that the NSX and s2k got the same exact acceleration and braking figures... typo maybe?

please dont bann me for this but

"am not trying to put it the rx down at all, just telling my 1st experience seeing one at the track. Also the one that got a 5.9 0-60 was an overseas pre-production model which didn't even feature a full production interior.

I'm sure Mazda will have a solution to this eventually, there is no way they will let this be another Miata case.."

Yea, whatever....nice try. Damning us with the old "I'm not trying to put you guys down, but.......yada, yada, yada.

Sounds like the guy has RX8 envy in a big way. The RX8 is fast (within a tenth or two of the 350Z, not enough to notice), is made better, rides better, has better assembly, more room, is more comfortable.....and costs less than his car.

I have a question:

How many times do people go from sitting still to 60mph? Much less a full 1/4 mile.

There are very few places around where I live that I could actually do this and feel safe. Road & Track said they dropped the clutch at 7500 RPM to get their best 0-60 time. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't plan on ever doing this. No matter how much the twit in the Mustang is trying to taunt me.

I know this has been said before, but if people are so concerned with 0-60 & 1/4 mile times, they really should be looking at other cars, not the RX8, or the 350Z (great car) for that matter. There's so much more to a performance car than numbers like that. From what I've heard (I don't fit in them) a Miata is great fun to drive, yet would get killed in a straight line contest by a bunch of cars.

If the dyno thing is true then Mazda should probably do something about it, but I'm not getting all juiced up about it. I'm still waiting for mine to come in, but my 3 test drives have been great. I really wish my life was so simple that one of my biggest concerns is the fact that my new $33,000 car dyno'd 20hp short. I know they should sell what they advertise, but truthfully they could be asking $5,000 more for the RX8, and probably sell just as many. Mazda has given us a great car at a great price, and to show our appreciation for such a great deal, all anyone does is gripe about it. I think it's a great idea for us all to make Mazda's life so stinkin' miserable that every other car company will look at it and ditch their plans for introducing any new performance cars. That way we could all go buy Civics and Hyundais and spend another $20k trying to make it into something enjoyable to drive, yet embarrasing to be seen in. Great plan guys, keep up the good work. I would love to go back 6 years when there were no RX8's, 350Z's, S2000's or G35's to buy.

Sorry for the ranting, I'll get off my soapbox, but I for one am really getting sick of all this BS.

Originally posted by zoom44
remember the large creature in LOTR Two Towers in the battle in the mines of moria that was brought in in chains and had a tree for a club? that was a Troll i believe.

that was a troll?? i thought that was an ogre...now i'm confused between a troll, an ogre, a goblin, and an orc...

Originally posted by graphicguy


Sounds like the guy has RX8 envy in a big way. The RX8 is fast (within a tenth or two of the 350Z, not enough to notice), is made better, rides better, has better assembly, more room, is more comfortable.....and costs less than his car.

A tenth or 2?? Not even close.. And not able to notice? You ever hear or torque? Maybe not since the RX seems to be dynoing around 125 tq at the wheels.. And by the way, you are magizine racing where you quote numbers never seen in the real world, you say a few tenths? But the fastest rx on this board ran a 1/4' was what, 14.9? Whoopy! That includes a tranny wrecking tire burning 8k rpm drop.. I have run under 14.0 at 101mph at the track on average with a 2500 launch, and as far as not noticible, try hitting the gas in a Z around 2k rpms vs in a rx, if you know anything about cars you would know torque MAKES A HUGE DIFFRENCE

Better assembly, made better? Thats an opinion, anything that Ford has a hand in cannot be good, and Nissan's VQ engines have been the bst made V6 made for 10+ years, the Rotary has bad gas mileage, no Tq and weird quirks.

More comfortable? First of all the Z is a 100% sports car 2 seater, you are comparing comfort and space with a 4 seater touring car, the RX is not really a sports car.

Costs less? Ya for a whimpy Automatic which a RSX can outrun, and also will outrun most MTs with the numbers I been seeing..

Maybe you have Z envy :D

the troll in LOTR is a cave troll, not to be confused with the grubby critters that hide under bridges.

orcs are what they are meeting throughout the entire series.

I think they meet a bunch of goblins just before the balrog arrives..

and there aren't any ogres about. but.. err, I can't think of any famous ogres, but they are between humans and giants in size, and stupid and strong.

blah blah. something like that.

ogres are the ones that turned to stone during the hobbit. you can see them in the backround in the first movie when they stop for the night after fleeing from Weathertop.

Originally posted by Blue 350z


A tenth or 2?? Not even close.. And not able to notice? You ever hear or torque? Maybe not since the RX seems to be dynoing around 125 tq at the wheels.. And by the way, you are magizine racing where you quote numbers never seen in the real world, you say a few tenths? But the fastest rx on this board ran a 1/4' was what, 14.9? Whoopy! That includes a tranny wrecking tire burning 8k rpm drop.. I have run under 14.0 at 101mph at the track on average with a 2500 launch, and as far as not noticible, try hitting the gas in a Z around 2k rpms vs in a rx, if you know anything about cars you would know torque MAKES A HUGE DIFFRENCE

Better assembly, made better? Thats an opinion, anything that Ford has a hand in cannot be good, and Nissan's VQ engines have been the bst made V6 made for 10+ years, the Rotary has bad gas mileage, no Tq and weird quirks.

More comfortable? First of all the Z is a 100% sports car 2 seater, you are comparing comfort and space with a 4 seater touring car, the RX is not really a sports car.

Costs less? Ya for a whimpy Automatic which a RSX can outrun, and also will outrun most MTs with the numbers I been seeing..

Maybe you have Z envy :D

or maybe the problem here is drawing the line between a semi "hardcore" performer like a Z and a touring car like the RX-8. Instead of measuring our d..ks (maybe I used too many characters...sorry I will understand if it gets censored) to see which one is faster, we should be looking at the 'real' strenghts of an 8 vs other cars:

In my humble opinion:

1. 350Z - slightly lighter than a G35, lots of torque, and lots of HP. Excellent on a straight line. Good handling on the road (a real road, not a straightline highway.)

2. G35 - 4 seat, upscale version of a 350Z. We could say, a touring version of the Z (could we?) Similar characteristics, however, it is a little heavier. Nonetheless handles very similarly.

3. RX-8 - 4 seater sport touring vehicle. Not lots of torque, not lots of HP. Handles a lot better that any of the 2 previously mentioned cars. According to TQ & HP numbers, slightly slower than the first 2 (I am sure there are some 'real' track numbers to back this up.)

I accept that a either a Z or a G will outrun an RX8 (straight line), however, don't start bragging about how much of a car any of these are...so much performance, etc...

If I had been looking for performance, I could have bought a darn WRX or an STi, even an Evo. Less creature comfort, and what the heck 4 SEATS as well. Any of the 3 other cars with top trim and engine (maybe not top trim, we have to cut down the weight) would be embarassed by a Subi or Mitsu....yeah, they are cheaper, they perform better and they come stock from factory as well.

A G is fast, a Z might be faster, the RX8 is fast (enough.)

:p

Ahhhhhhh, feels much better now. I had to say it.

350Z boy did come here to troll.

So much for the statement...."i'm not here to put down the RX8...."

Uh, huh!

I can't think of any other reason for him to be here, execpt to drool over the rides he sees here. What other reason could he have?

More importantly this is a RX-8 discussion forum where pople are tlaking about their cars. If you have a 350Z, fine. Congratulations. I dont care to talk about how great your car is in getting down a narrow stretch of highway in really little time. Hell, I dont care to talk about that about MY car, and it's at least related to the forums we are on.

Or did the rx8club.com part throw you?

You sir, are a troll and added to my ignore list. Sad how this list seems to be growing all of the sudden.

Amen.

No "Z" envy here. Did extensive drives of the 350Z, G35 and the RX8.

Mazda got my money and it wasn't even a contest.

Just to irritate you a bit more, C&D even chose the RX8 over the 350Z (and Mustang Cobra) in their shootout.

Post your time slips 350Z blue. Nissan=Renault, BTW. Notice Renault got chased out of the U.S. market some years ago.

Originally posted by graphicguy
No "Z" envy here. Did extensive drives of the 350Z, G35 and the RX8.

Mazda got my money and it wasn't even a contest.

Just to irritate you a bit more, C&D even chose the RX8 over the 350Z (and Mustang Cobra) in their shootout.

Post your time slips 350Z blue. Nissan=Renault, BTW. Notice Renault got chased out of the U.S. market some years ago.

Excellent memory (or research)

i love it when pretenses to objectivity are made on a bulletin board... i mean who are we trying to kid. Especially after writing a subject heading like that.

Anyway. the way I see a comparison is by price points. Similarly optioned to the 8 I'd like to get, the Z and the G35 come out at least $2.5-5k higher BEFORE taxes. Sure, you might contend that you cant fully make a "similarly optioned" comparison b/c of things like HP or MPG, but then you have to admit the position that if you're buying a Z or G over an 8, you're buying basically an engine w/ that much of a premium over the 8.

But put the value of that premium into track suspension mods and or engine mods of the 8 just so cars can be compared at equal prices, and I would be willing to bet all the performance numbers that the 8 has been just lacking in get reversed, alot. My Bulletin-Board-Anecdotal-Evidence for this is the Aug. Best Motoring, if someone would be kind enough to rip and host (please? :)

BTW the same comparison goes for sTi and EVO. Not so much for the WRX... that actually might be an equal or better value depending on consumer preferences. But for the other cars, one has to give up certain features( I dunno, say like HID's, LSD's, CD player even) to reach the RX8 in price. I could be wrong as I haven't snuck in the time to play around with ALL these cars' Build-and-Order sites, so I invite contrary arguments.

Originally posted by Blue 350z


Better assembly, made better? Thats an opinion, anything that Ford has a hand in cannot be good, and Nissan's VQ engines have been the bst made V6 made for 10+ years, the Rotary has bad gas mileage, no Tq and weird quirks.

:D

Blue 350z, I totally understand your position of defending the Z, which was a result of some not so favorable attacks on your car.

However, your statement of "anything that Ford has a hand in cannot be good" is ridiculous... to say the least. That is like saying "Renault had a hand in the development of the VQ". I mean think about what you said.

Much like the VQ is Nissan's baby, so is the Rotary for Mazda. Good grief, the RX-8 is made entirely in Japan, much like the 350Z. I guess some UAW workers got to work in Japan now eh? LOL. The only thing I see Ford having contributed to the RX-8 project was funds.

Hmmm if I go by your logic, I guess the Mazda Miata must be bad too (oh my look out, Ford had a hand on this one too!), despite the fact that this wonderful roadster is also made entirely in Japan and is pretty reliable. LOL.

The Nissan 350z And Mazda RX-8 are both nice, quality, Japanese Engineered and made vehicles.

Unless you meant the Renault 350z and Ford RX-8, then I have no comment on that.
:D

Unfortunately, I remember when Renault was here. They were linked with American Motors (remember the Pacer?). Obviously, both American Motors (out of business) and Renault are no longer selling cars here. Renault's cars were pretty pitiful at the time and I'm old enough to remember them...Le Car, Fuego were marketed here about 20 years ago. Poor quality. Poor reliability. Bad designs. You name it, Renault did it wrong.

When Nissan got into trouble, Renault took over controling interest of them. Renault, in turn, is owned primarily by the French Government.

In Europe, Renault is known for its economy cars. I think the best car they make (called a Laguna) is equal to a Taurus here in the states. They also make trucks in Europe.

I've been to Brazil and seen a couple of their cars there. A tiny one called the Clio (about the size of a Mini) and the above mentioned Laguna. Obvioulsly, they are all over France.

Back to the RX8, Ford had nothing to do with the development, design, assembly, nor the concept of the RX8. It's totally Mazda. Besides, Ford is also the parent of such companies as Aston Martin, Jaguar as well as many other well respected marques.

The 350Z, in turn, uses many of the design ques and parts from Renault (as does the Maxima and Altima), which is probably why the interior looks/feels like it does. Since Renualt took over, Nissan interiors have been widely criticized for their cheap interiors. They save the good stuff for Infiniti, although I've seen a few Renault parts there, too.

Reading this thread I thought everybody was being much too hard on Blue350Z - until his last post which really did sound trolllike.

I can well believe someone got a 15.4 for the 1/4 on a particular strip and on a particular day. I don't know much about dragstrips except what I have read, but I see big variation in numbers for the same type of car with different drivers on different days or at different locations. I have seen timeslips posted for S2000s that range from 13.8 up to 15.5 secs - which is correct (do we quote the best or worst time). I also notice that record times only get better - six months from now I expect many people will achieve a 14.4 or better if they really want to ruin their clutch and tires.

I like the new Nissans and Infinitis (almost bought a G35 6MT) and I agree the RX-8 is NOTICABLY slower under acceleration - not just a tenth of a second or two slower but easily noticable by the seat of your pants when you drive both cars in a non-brutal fashion to redline. In the same way the new Nissans and Infinitis are noticably slower than the EVO8 I test-drove. Personally speaking the RX-8 is already fast enough for my needs but I will not object ;) if Mazda fixes the HP issue and makes it even quicker.

Originally posted by zoom44
ogres are the ones that turned to stone during the hobbit. you can see them in the backround in the first movie when they stop for the night after fleeing from Weathertop.

Nope, they were stone trolls- Bert, William, and Tom.

Originally posted by Blue 350z


A tenth or 2?? Not even close.. And not able to notice? You ever hear or torque? Maybe not since the RX seems to be dynoing around 125 tq at the wheels.. And by the way, you are magizine racing where you quote numbers never seen in the real world, you say a few tenths? But the fastest rx on this board ran a 1/4' was what, 14.9? Whoopy! That includes a tranny wrecking tire burning 8k rpm drop.. I have run under 14.0 at 101mph at the track on average with a 2500 launch, and as far as not noticible, try hitting the gas in a Z around 2k rpms vs in a rx, if you know anything about cars you would know torque MAKES A HUGE DIFFRENCE

Better assembly, made better? Thats an opinion, anything that Ford has a hand in cannot be good, and Nissan's VQ engines have been the bst made V6 made for 10+ years, the Rotary has bad gas mileage, no Tq and weird quirks.

More comfortable? First of all the Z is a 100% sports car 2 seater, you are comparing comfort and space with a 4 seater touring car, the RX is not really a sports car.

Costs less? Ya for a whimpy Automatic which a RSX can outrun, and also will outrun most MTs with the numbers I been seeing..

Maybe you have Z envy :D

Well if you look at real defenition of a sports car, it wouldn't be either RX8 or 350z. Real sports car would be miata since it has all features of a sports car defenition.

Mazda RX8 could be used as family car, for long trips, etc.
Nissan 350z IMHO is like a muscle car. Big engine, lots of torque, made to run very fast in a straight line. Track model of 350z is .3 seconds faster in 0-60 than RX8 and .2 seconds faster in 1/4 mile.

Mazda RX8 (R&T) Results:
0-60 = 5.9 sec.
1/4 mile = 14.5 sec.
Skidpad = 0.88g
Slalom = 65.4 mph
Brake rating = excellent
Handling balance = mild oversteer
Braking 60-0 mph = 114 ft.

Nissan 350z Track (R&T) Results:
0-60 = 5.6 sec.
1/4 mile = 14.3 sec.
Skidpad = 0.89g
Slalom = 65.6 mph
Brake rating = very good
Handling balance = mild understeer
Braking 60-0 mph = 119 ft.

Now both of these cars have advantages and disadvantages. So in some things RX8 is alot better than 350z and in other's 350z is alot better. So it depends what you need and want. RX8 is totally different from 350z though. G35c and RX8 are good competition.

Well I guess since I really do not want to go to the 350Z forums and intrude, I will say it here. In my opinion the 350z is a nissan piece of overpriced crappe and the cheap interior and sorry ride quality has been sited many times so I wish some of these people would find another way of puking out thier nonsense. The fact is the 350z will never have the class and refinement of the RX8, that is not an opinion that is a fact. And if this sounds like I am flaming someone too bad....:D

Thanks elara i knew you'd chime in and clear that up. so whats an ogre? besides Piers Anthony i mean.

Isn't Shrek an ogre?

Indeed Shrek is an ogre. And remember they are layered like onions, and not one bit like parfait.

/Elak

Originally posted by neit_jnf
Isn't Shrek an ogre?

Yea, I think so. That movie was funny as hell. By the way, when are the trailers for Return of The King coming out, or are they already out? Oh..and I guess I will get back on topic....Both cars are nice, I mean it would depend on what kinda mood I was in that day to decide between them. (Unless the new GTR comes out any time soon, then its game, set, match.:D if its around 40k. )

Originally posted by Genom
More importantly this is a RX-8 discussion forum where pople are tlaking about their cars. If you have a 350Z, fine. Congratulations. I dont care to talk about how great your car is in getting down a narrow stretch of highway in really little time. Hell, I dont care to talk about that about MY car, and it's at least related to the forums we are on.

Or did the rx8club.com part throw you?

You sir, are a troll and added to my ignore list. Sad how this list seems to be growing all of the sudden.

so... i'm deciding between the 350z and the rx8 at the moment... if i were to buy a 350z, and still enjoy posting here (yes i don't post much, but i do enjoy browsing and responding to certain threads, but also because i like both cars equaly as of this moment), u would consider me a troll? is that the point ur trying to get across here? because if thats the case, YOU are VERY narrow minded my friend

Originally posted by commentator
Well I guess since I really do not want to go to the 350Z forums and intrude, I will say it here. In my opinion the 350z is a nissan piece of overpriced crappe and the cheap interior and sorry ride quality has been sited many times so I wish some of these people would find another way of puking out thier nonsense. The fact is the 350z will never have the class and refinement of the RX8, that is not an opinion that is a fact. And if this sounds like I am flaming someone too bad....:D

LOL.. I got a good chuckle from this pointless rant that featured 4th grade spelling... Made me realize how silly this all is.

OK I just want to say, as a LONG time car freak of all kinds (Domestic and Foriegn but I only buy Foreign) I hate to bash any car since most are awesome in there own way and appeal to certain people. I have only made some harsh comments on here out of anger from the nonsense and pointless bashing I am reading about the Z. I like many different cars; I think the old rx-7 (newest model shape) was one of the sweetest rides ever created. I have been a Car and Driver reader for going on 8 years (1st subscribed when I was 17) and I have followed any and all cars/trucks ever since. And I know since I am on a RX8 site I will never win any argument so I don't know why I bother, I visited this site from a link on my350z.com forums to read about the power shortage issue and registered after I seen ridicules comments about the 350z.

I like the RX8, nice clean looking interior and the outside is very unique, after you get used to odd proportions its a nice looking car. I actually went into a Mazda dealership to check it out first hand last weekend, when I left the show room there were 2 sales guys looking over my car (not your average looking Z) in the parking lot and we had a nice chat. But when I come here to just read up on a few things I hear dumb ignorant comments and I react. And BTW for you magazine racers on here, Mag racing is a guide at best, comparing magazine speeds is not reality and should never be used since real life numbers are always different, as in 14.5 for the rx8 when I seen a 15.4 with my own eyes and another guy on this board claims seeing an RX run 14.9 but is not 100% true unless I see a timeslip. Most good driving 350z owners are running under 14 seconds in the 1/4 bone stock, and I have read mags stating the Z runs anywhere from 14.1-14.4 from 99-101Mph. Thats why Mag racing is dumb.

So All I want to say is please stop the pointless bashing, both are very very nice cars in different ways, it just so happens I have taken a liking to the Z and the people on thise board the RX8. Everything is opinions, the only think that is not an opinion is dyno numbers and time slips, hell I even see mag stats as opinions!

PS. For you doubters I have scanned 3 of my most recent time slips, not my best ones just a few from my last outing.. See the link below (and if you get an error its probably because I exceeded my bandwidth, that’s what you get for free web hosting). My car at this time only had like 3k miles and a CAI which claims a huge gain of 3-5HP :p

http://www.geocities.com/azwhoopin22/TimeSlips.html

i can't resist getting in on the mindless BS here......

I test drove a 350Z. I was impressed with the engine, but not the car. Mazda has my money for many reasons that I won't get into.

We cannot compare the Z and the 8. They are two different types of cars. Now, when (cross your fingers) the new RX-7 comes out, then we can draw comparisons. And I'm sure they will be favorable for the Mazda community just like before (FD vs 300ZX).


And, for any 350Z owners who happen to be reading here........ it must be nice to know that a 10 year old RX-7 is just as fast, if not faster than your Z. Keep that in mind when you start hammering our beloved rotary.

Haris - Thanks for the stat.

Like I was thinking. The Z what??? Only slight edge over the RX-8. I can see all those Z owners hoping the RX-8 does not sale well. If it does and when the RX-7 does debut, I would love to see what it will do to the Z.


Originally posted by Haris


Well if you look at real defenition of a sports car, it wouldn't be either RX8 or 350z. Real sports car would be miata since it has all features of a sports car defenition.

Mazda RX8 could be used as family car, for long trips, etc.
Nissan 350z IMHO is like a muscle car. Big engine, lots of torque, made to run very fast in a straight line. Track model of 350z is .3 seconds faster in 0-60 than RX8 and .2 seconds faster in 1/4 mile.

Mazda RX8 (R&T) Results:
0-60 = 5.9 sec.
1/4 mile = 14.5 sec.
Skidpad = 0.88g
Slalom = 65.4 mph
Brake rating = excellent
Handling balance = mild oversteer
Braking 60-0 mph = 114 ft.

Nissan 350z Track (R&T) Results:
0-60 = 5.6 sec.
1/4 mile = 14.3 sec.
Skidpad = 0.89g
Slalom = 65.6 mph
Brake rating = very good
Handling balance = mild understeer
Braking 60-0 mph = 119 ft.

Now both of these cars have advantages and disadvantages. So in some things RX8 is alot better than 350z and in other's 350z is alot better. So it depends what you need and want. RX8 is totally different from 350z though. G35c and RX8 are good competition.

.When an individual amature driver does a test, It is not comaprible to a professionals. Also, are these so called testers dropping the clutch at 7500 rpm's? That is what it takes to get the best times from the RX-8. Just too many variables to consider when comparing the times of magazines/professional drivers, and amatures.

Mazda and Nissan as far as history goes have such an opposite perception by car people...

With the exception of some of their specialty sportscars

Mazda = Great Handlers lacking a great engine
Nissan = Great engines and lacking handling

If the two merged we would have one amazing car :p

By the way, I think Blue 350Z is more of a gnome than a troll, perhaps an orc...

Originally posted by rotarymagic
.When an individual amature driver does a test, It is not comaprible to a professionals. Also, are these so called testers dropping the clutch at 7500 rpm's? That is what it takes to get the best times from the RX-8. Just too many variables to consider when comparing the times of magazines/professional drivers, and amatures.



That'd be cool if automakers as an industry standard provided video Best-Motoring style to substantiate claims... also to show how fast factory drivers can launch and shift (and maybe clutchless shift too)

Cliffnotes for those of you that don't want to read the whole post.


1.) Blue 350Z comes in and makes some statements that sound a bit trollish
2.) Embittered mod fires back
3.) Troll hides trollish ways
4.) Embittered mod nearly blows a head gasket
5.) Trawling, trolling, trolls, gnomes, orcs, balrogs, and Tolkien are discussed
6.) RX-8 fanboys show to fight the troll, embittered mods exits, orcs, trolls, goblins and the like still linger
7.) Troll shows true colors and calls RX-8 wimpy
8.) RX8-TX makes sensible post and is ignored
9.) Magazine racing abounds
10.) Tweety-Nator does his best Sweden impersonation
11.) Brazil, Renault, Europe blah blah blah...
12.) Stone trolls blah blah blah
13.) Commentator wins title of ultimate fanboy
14.) Shrek, trolls...
15.) Troll insults spelling of others and says "registered after I seen ridicules comments about the 350z."
16.) Gnomes, orcs blah blah blah


Ok you may continue on now that we have caught everyone up to speed :p

Ike

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Cliffnotes for those of you that don't want to read the whole post.


1.) Blue 350Z comes in and makes some statements that sound a bit trollish
2.) Embittered mod fires back
3.) Troll hides trollish ways
4.) Embittered mod nearly blows a head gasket
5.) Trawling, trolling, trolls, gnomes, orcs, balrogs, and Tolkien are discussed
6.) RX-8 fanboys show to fight the troll, embittered mods exits, orcs, trolls, goblins and the like still linger
7.) Troll shows true colors and calls RX-8 wimpy
8.) RX8-TX makes sensible post and is ignored
9.) Magazine racing abounds
10.) Tweety-Nator does his best Sweden impersonation
11.) Brazil, Renault, Europe blah blah blah...
12.) Stone trolls blah blah blah
13.) Commentator wins title of ultimate fanboy
14.) Shrek, trolls...
15.) Troll insults spelling of others and says "registered after I seen ridicules comments about the 350z."
16.) Gnomes, orcs blah blah blah


Ok you may continue on now that we have caught everyone up to speed :p

Ike

HaHa Good summary:D This thread is getting to the point where we will need a map before long. "Trolls on page 2....Gnomes..page 3...." :D

Originally posted by IkeWRX
15.) Troll insults spelling of others and says "registered after I seen ridicules comments about the 350z."

That is sad but pretty damn funny, and he spelled "Foreign" two different ways because he wasn't sure.

BTW I would make a bet that every person who bought an RX-8 could have purchased a 350Z and for some reason decided not to. My reasons were the same as many of those pointed out above. But...now here is the slam dunk...NONE of the 350Z owners, prior to say July 11th or so, could have purchased an RX-8. :D

Can't we all just get along??? :-)

Originally posted by ElementalsIn


so... i'm deciding between the 350z and the rx8 at the moment... if i were to buy a 350z, and still enjoy posting here (yes i don't post much, but i do enjoy browsing and responding to certain threads, but also because i like both cars equaly as of this moment), u would consider me a troll? is that the point ur trying to get across here? because if thats the case, YOU are VERY narrow minded my friend

No. once again you have to actually read what I post. I am saying if you wanna chat about your 350Z or whatever else you have, there's a place called the lounge and another one called general automotive for a reason. This forum as far as I can see says RX-8 discussion.

Second point, I will discuss things that are posted in an intelligent matter. However, coming in here, saying "no offense but" and then rag about a car you saw someone else drive, on a forum where people are trying to discuss the car they actually drive, and when replied about why your argument is something that has been covered before, and not of that much interest, decide to take insult potshots is trolling.
I have nothing against other car's. I only have a problem with other car owners who for no reason whatsoever try to belittle my choice in cars, when in fact he has no idea why I chose the car. His reasons for his car are his own. A lot of people share them, but I think it's pretty safe to say a good chunk of RX-8 owners dont share them, as they most pointedly, did not buy a 350Z. As soon as others can stop being insulting, they might stop being called trolls.

lol, very well laid out summation of the thread

Ike: thx for the cliffnotes! ;)


Originally posted by Genom

I have nothing against other car's.

I actually DO have something against other cars. One in particular: the Pontiac Aztek! That's one butt ugly, car/crossover SUV ... thing!


As for the Z... before I ordered my 8, I did consider the Z. However, after researching the car and reading up at MY350z.com, I realized that the car was not for me. Why?
1 - Tire feathering issues
2 - Interior design issues: crappy materials, no passenger glove box !?! (behind the seat storage doesn't count), unexceptional stereo
3 - Tiny trunk
4 - It's a two-seater
I do like the looks and colors (esp the blue); however, it just doesn't fit my needs, though the 5 speed AT is nice!

Cliffs note 17.)
Admins will step in, kill the thread, and issue warnings or worse if it turns into a flamefest. Carry on, peeps... ;)

Hey jerkoff, my car is faster than yours, my dad can beat up your dad, your momma is a tramp, and stop messing with my cliffnotes! :p

Cliffnotes for those of you that don't want to read the whole post.


1.) Blue 350Z comes in and makes some statements that sound a bit trollish
2.) Embittered mod fires back
3.) Troll hides trollish ways
4.) Embittered mod nearly blows a head gasket
5.) Trawling, trolling, trolls, gnomes, orcs, balrogs, and Tolkien are discussed
6.) RX-8 fanboys show to fight the troll, embittered mods exits, orcs, trolls, goblins and the like still linger
7.) Troll shows true colors and calls RX-8 wimpy
8.) RX8-TX makes sensible post and is ignored
9.) Magazine racing abounds
10.) Tweety-Nator does his best Sweden impersonation
11.) Brazil, Renault, Europe blah blah blah...
12.) Stone trolls blah blah blah
13.) Commentator wins title of ultimate fanboy
14.) Shrek, trolls...
15.) Troll insults spelling of others and says "registered after I seen ridicules comments about the 350z."
16.) Gnomes, orcs blah blah blah
17.) IkeWRX is banned by admistrator

Originally posted by ProtoConVert
That'd be cool if automakers as an industry standard provided video Best-Motoring style to substantiate claims... also to show how fast factory drivers can launch and shift (and maybe clutchless shift too) It would be neat, but it would never happen.

Why? Owners would follow the instructions, destroy their clutches/diffs/whatever trying to reproduce the technique and would blame the manufacturer as they were following "official" techniques...

Probably the truest statement made was we all had a chance to buy a 350Z and chose the RX8 instead.

Having driven both (as well as the G35), I've certainly got my own reasons for choosing the RX8 over the 350.

BUT, coming in here and pretending that you are something you're not (curious about the RX8) is just plain wrong. It's like coming over to my house, eating all my food, drinking all my beer, farting on my couch and then stating that I'm not a good host.

Originally posted by Genom

I have nothing against other car's. I only have a problem with other car owners who for no reason whatsoever try to belittle my choice in cars, when in fact he has no idea why I chose the car..... As soon as others can stop being insulting, they might stop being called trolls.

Ditto

Originally posted by OmegaBob
Ike: thx for the cliffnotes! ;)




I actually DO have something against other cars. One in particular: the Pontiac Aztek! That's one butt ugly, car/crossover SUV ... thing!




Damn. You know what Omegabob? You are correct. That is one BUTT ugly 4 wheel vehicle.

Of course, apologies to any Aztec user lurking around who will now run to the Aztec forums (yeah, like there's gonna be more than 3 people who actually wanna talk about the car) and tell everybody how we are all mean and stuff!

I was invited to a orge and promised a goblin but think I'll give it a miss if its only car meeting.

rael

Well I go away for a few days and more of my 350Z brethren come in and stir up trouble.

We have nice cars give it a rest. All this race numbers this and that. Sometimes it is not even the car, its who has the biggest pair . . .if you know what I mean.

Originally posted by Hercules
Are you on something?

Hell, I can hand time my car and get ~6 seconds to 60. The car that was tested with those numbers was... guess what.... fully furnished as opposed to your idea of the car not having a full interior?

There's a reason why you have a 350Z and were sitting at a drag strip. The RX-8 buyers that know what the car is about won't be there.... they'll be wringing out that 6 speed thru some twisties.

That 5.9s dash to 60 is right on target with the current car. It's been tested numerous times from Road and Track, Car and Driver, and a lot of other places that used a similarly set up car. Hell, the production models in Europe that get 231 horses still dash to 62 in 6.3 seconds... so add 20 ponies and reduce the speed by 2 mph and you have your deficit.

Please take your misinformation back to the 350Z boards, as I'm sure it's appreciated there. We are all pretty well read on the cars and passing off your misinformation is rather an insult, just like if we came to the 350Z forums and started posting information about how somebody ran a 15 second quarter.
I for one dont believe the RX8 to be the slow turd that everyone claims because i have had other mid to low 14 sec cars in the quarter and the 8 feels obviously much faster IMHO.

We all know our cars are awsome this is a given. This is why people are trading in their Z S2k EVO etc for an 8. Its a different car like you said obviously made for the twisties. Its an awsome car which we all love and appreciate.

His misinformation does jive with lots of the posts on our forum. I however wonder if it could have been a issue with the first batch of cars that came out. I got the second shipment and if I stomp on the gas in my first at 4k I get pushed back in my seat very well beyond what I expected and have to grab second very quickly even though we have long gear ratios.

In 3k more miles i think im gonna dyno my car. In 8 k miles im going to take it to the strip ..........once that is im not a strip kinda guy and i dont like to put the pain on my clutch. Then in 10 k ill be doing speed trials who hoo!

Ill make sure to give my impressions at that time Dynos my quarter times etc. Thanks alot all this is an awsome board that im proud to be a part of.

Originally posted by ProtoConVert




That'd be cool if automakers as an industry standard provided video Best-Motoring style to substantiate claims... also to show how fast factory drivers can launch and shift (and maybe clutchless shift too)

That's a great idea, proto.

One quick note for you people that blab about acceleration and the official forum excuse of bring it to the twistys (which never happens on the street)

Here is a quote from Car And Driver Mag on the rx8:

Achieving this communication and responsiveness at low limits is not so hard, but the RX-8 does it at 0.91 g, a considerable margin beyond the cornering capabilities of these two competitors. Its transient handling is similarly superior. And the RX-8 is the best stopper of this bunch. Despite these handling advantages, the RX-8 was the slowest at the racetrack , and that's because of a shortage of midrange grunt in its rotary engine. Peak power is decent at 250 horsepower, but it's developed at 8500 rpm. Torque, however, is a mere 159 pound-feet down 111 and 231 pound-feet on the two other cars and it comes at 5500 rpm, which is nearly as high as the others' power peaks. Think Honda S2000 power band, and you get the idea.

Quote from rotary revival: Comparo with rx8, G35C and Stang
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=4346&page_number=1

Now concidering that it was the slowest in a group that includes the G35C which is 250+ LBS heavier and 7HP down with lower max grip numbers then the 350z it kinda makes your take it to the twistys excuse wear thin..

Also FYI: The max cornering grip of an rx8 = 91g, the 350z is 89g and it weights 300+ more then the RX8.

Also the 5-60 time for the RX was 7.5, the 350z's 5-60 is 5.9 seconds.. So said torque don't matter again?

Jesus H. Christ dude.

wrong forum man...you're like Jekyll and Hyde, one minute you're justifying your appearance here by stating your love for all kinds of cars...next minute you're bashing the very car this forum is all about...perhaps it's time to leave now?

and btw, there is a Lord of the Rings - Return of the King trailer floating around somewhere...i'll look for that link...and i STILL do not know the difference b/n an ogre, goblin, orc, troll, knoll and kobold...ogre's seem like big, fat orcs...orcs seem like physically fit trolls...trolls seem like adult knolls, and knolls look like bigger goblins...kobolds just seem like walking dogs...they all look like one giant family

Not to kill your fun or anything but all that troll, orc etc talk is extreemly dorky :cool:

All you D&D fanatics have just blown your cover.... Gary Gygax would be proud..

BRx8: Problem is, you need to limit yourself to a single culture's standard for that mythical beast. Elfs and troll's can be either huge or small. Gnomes and dwarves are almost always small, but sometimes they are fierce feared warriors', other times they are jokes.

You're "schtick" is wearing pretty thin.


The same comparo you're talking about also goes on to state that they'd still take the RX8 over the 350 platform.

As an old street racer once told me...."no matter how much money you have, you'll always find someone with more....no matter how fast your car is, you'll always find someone who has one that's faster.....no matter now much of a "bad ass" you are, you'll always run into someone that's "badder"...."

If you are to be believed (which I have reservations in doing), you are in your mid 20s. Apparently, you haven't been around much. The worst that can happen to you in here is you'll get your feelings hurt.

Others, on the street or at the track, may not be nearly as forgiving.

One last time....we compared the 350Z to the RX8 and bought the RX8....'nuff said!

You like your 350Z (if you really have one). So be it. We see things differently. Let it go at that.

Hey Z man, The majority of RX8 owners on this site had ample time to test drive a 350Z, and from posts I've read the majority did in fact drive a 350Z. So therefore we had the opportunity to choose either one, and many like me who drove both, chose the 8. I used to own a Z, many members of my family have owned Z's which I have driven, and that thing at your local Nissan dealer ain't no Z. Just like the RX8 is not an RX7, but Mazda had the respect of their RX7 legacy to leave it alone and build and name another car, which many feel will build an equal legacy of its own. No where did I ever see Mazda represent or compare the RX8 to be an RX7. Nissan should have respected the Z legacy and left it alone, and produce the 350Z (not) as a new and special car on its own. Nissan always implied that they were bringing back the Z again, showing pictures of past generations of popular Z's. This is in fact not what they delivered. The old Z's were cutting edge, not cookie cutter. I spend more time trying to figure out if a car is a Z, or just one of the many look alikes (I don't know who copied who). You did not have that problem with the old (one and only) Z's, and you don't have that problem with the RX8. The original Z was the alternative to raw straight line power of the muscle car era, now its an uninovative also ran. In both cases the old saying still hold true. If you can't beat'em, join'em. Nissan has done a very good job of fitting in. Congrats. Enjoy your car named Z.

Originally posted by RX8-U-UP
Hey Z man, The majority of RX8 owners on this site had ample time to test drive a 350Z, and from posts I've read the majority did in fact drive a 350Z. So therefore we had the opportunity to choose either one, and many like me who drove both, chose the 8. I used to own a Z, many members of my family have owned Z's which I have driven, and that thing at your local Nissan dealer ain't no Z. Just like the RX8 is not an RX7, but Mazda had the respect of their RX7 legacy to leave it alone and build and name another car, which many feel will build an equal legacy of its own. No where did I ever see Mazda represent or compare the RX8 to be an RX7. Nissan should have respected the Z legacy and left it alone, and produce the 350Z (not) as a new and special car on its own. Nissan always implied that they were bringing back the Z again, showing pictures of past generations of popular Z's. This is in fact not what they delivered. The old Z's were cutting edge, not cookie cutter. I spend more time trying to figure out if a car is a Z, or just one of the many look alikes (I don't know who copied who). You did not have that problem with the old (one and only) Z's, and you don't have that problem with the RX8. The original Z was the alternative to raw straight line power of the muscle car era, now its an uninovative also ran. In both cases the old saying still hold true. If you can't beat'em, join'em. Nissan has done a very good job of fitting in. Congrats. Enjoy your car named Z.

Wow thats a mouthload of opinions ain't it.

Originally posted by Blue 350z
Not to kill your fun or anything but all that troll, orc etc talk is extreemly dorky :cool:

so are computers and the Internet, yet you're on both right now :cool:

and yes, i've driven a 350Z...in fact i love them...i have a big poster up in my cubicle at work...i love all the new Nissan's and Infinit's especially the FX45...i bought an RX-8 because of the innovations - the first 4 door, 4 seat rotary powered sports car...i took the plunge and preordered without even sitting in one let alone test driving one...

the 350Z i sat in, drove, researched etc. a year ago and it just didn't do it for me...it's a great car but that's just it, it's a normal car...there's almost nothing innovative about it...why should i trade in my 3000GT for the 350Z? at most i'd lose 2 seats...

the RX-8 was my choice because it suited me better than the 350Z...and as you can see, many people feel the same and there are many that will adamantly stand by their decision in a much harsher tone than the one you're reading right now...so why can't we just leave it at that? you're car is great, it truly is and i'm happy that you like it...but i'm also happy with mine and there's nothing you can possibly say to me that will change that...NOTHING AT ALL...so basically you're wasting your time here...

good day

Its good that you didn't own a real Z to know what your missing. Ignorance is bliss, and all of your posts reak of pure bliss.

What exactly is so innovative about the rx8? Is it the Saturn style doors? Is it the so incredible rotary engine? All a rotary engine is to me is a VTec that gets bad gas mileage.

I have tire pressure sensors in my car, Alum suspension and driveshaft, build in stopwatch and an indrediblly efficent and powerful variable intake engine thats all alum and it goes on..

Not trying to be a punk but what is SO innovative with the RX8, just want to know

Well 350z blue boy....looking at your time slips, the only thing that shows a run with the same car is "Dodge"....something here doesn't smell right. What did you run?

The VIP looks like either an Omni GLH, or a Civic, or a Vette.

Or, are those time slips you conveniently lifted from somewhere else?

Yes, I definitely smell fish in here.

Originally posted by graphicguy
Well 350z blue boy....looking at your time slips, the only thing that shows a run with the same car is "Dodge"....something here doesn't smell right. What did you run?

The VIP looks like either an Omni GLH, or a Civic, or a Vette.

Or, are those time slips you conveniently lifted from somewhere else?

Yes, I definitely smell fish in here.

WOW, if you KNEW anything about drag racing you would know that each lane is Sponcered by a company, in this case its the VIP fuel lane and the Dodge Lane, stop being such a dumbass.. And I pencil into the slip what car raced that run, and if you can learn how to read you would see I am car 263.. Why don't you actually go to a drag strip and learn a few things.. :mad:

Originally posted by Blue 350z
I have tire pressure sensors in my car, Alum suspension and driveshaft, build in stopwatch and an indrediblly efficent and powerful variable intake engine thats all alum and it goes on..


Let's not forget the not-so-good interior, the small boot and the tire feathering problems.

Cliffnotes for those of you that don't want to read the whole post.


1.) Blue 350Z comes in and makes some statements that sound a bit trollish
2.) Embittered mod fires back
3.) Troll hides trollish ways
4.) Embittered mod nearly blows a head gasket
5.) Trawling, trolling, trolls, gnomes, orcs, balrogs, and Tolkien are discussed
6.) RX-8 fanboys show to fight the troll, embittered mods exits, orcs, trolls, goblins and the like still linger
7.) Troll shows true colors and calls RX-8 wimpy
8.) RX8-TX makes sensible post and is ignored
9.) Magazine racing abounds
10.) Tweety-Nator does his best Sweden impersonation
11.) Brazil, Renault, Europe blah blah blah...
12.) Stone trolls blah blah blah
13.) Commentator wins title of ultimate fanboy
14.) Shrek, trolls...
15.) Troll insults spelling of others and says "registered after I seen ridicules comments about the 350z."
16.) Gnomes, orcs blah blah blah
17.) Testicles
18.) Troll makes good point
19.) Jesus Herman Christ
20.) Fanboys and Trolls battle for Helms Deep... err.... wait...
21.) Troll calls us all dorks
22.) Genom and Voodoo proclaim their dorkdom proudly
23.) Troll called liar
24.) Troll lashes back and USES CAPITALS and a frowny :( TO SHOW HIS ANGER

Originally posted by Blue 350z
One quick note for you people that blab about acceleration and the official forum excuse of bring it to the twistys (which never happens on the street)

Here is a quote from Car And Driver Mag on the rx8:

Achieving this communication and responsiveness at low limits is not so hard, but the RX-8 does it at 0.91 g, a considerable margin beyond the cornering capabilities of these two competitors. Its transient handling is similarly superior. And the RX-8 is the best stopper of this bunch. Despite these handling advantages, the RX-8 was the slowest at the racetrack , and that's because of a shortage of midrange grunt in its rotary engine. Peak power is decent at 250 horsepower, but it's developed at 8500 rpm. Torque, however, is a mere 159 pound-feet down 111 and 231 pound-feet on the two other cars and it comes at 5500 rpm, which is nearly as high as the others' power peaks. Think Honda S2000 power band, and you get the idea.

Quote from rotary revival: Comparo with rx8, G35C and Stang
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=4346&page_number=1

Now concidering that it was the slowest in a group that includes the G35C which is 250+ LBS heavier and 7HP down with lower max grip numbers then the 350z it kinda makes your take it to the twistys excuse wear thin..

Also FYI: The max cornering grip of an rx8 = 91g, the 350z is 89g and it weights 300+ more then the RX8.

Also the 5-60 time for the RX was 7.5, the 350z's 5-60 is 5.9 seconds.. So said torque don't matter again?


Would you mind to stop it? Maybe this will help you understand:

<Tarzan Talk> Z & 8 different

Z: fast fast, only Tarzan and Jane sitting.
8: fast. Tarzan, Jane, Chimp, and friend sitting.

Z: 6 cylinders, many litres
8: no cylinders, little litres

Z: don't like it.
8: like it, buy it.

Z: lot of money
8: less lot of money

</Tarzan tallk>

Now, c'mon Blue, drop it. I don't bash the Z, I don't bash the G, I don't bash anything except my old ride (a sub-compact SUV...or whatever you call a RAV) The 8 is my first sports car (yeah...I am taking the license to call it a sports car.)

I test drove an S2K very little, a G35 more often (my boss owns one.) a bare bone Z demo car, and I am still eager to go out an have a taste of what Subaru & Mitsubishi have to offer. However, I can tell that pricewise...the Z is expensive for what it has to offer ME. The Mitsu & Subi are different creatures. The G is out of the questions, it is way more expensive at its basic trim..and forget comparing them at the same options.

You said it, the Z is heavier, the G is heavier. They have bigger engines. They pull stronger straight lines for the simple reason that they've got more TQ working under the hood. No question about it. Do I like the Z or G? Hell yes! If they give them to me for free. The Z & G badges are...lets say....over my price range.

Now, going to the twisties thing: Have you tried to hard corner your Z? I am simply asking you because I don't know how it responds. Then try an 8 (yeah, well I don't know who will let you do that with its car though.)

In any case, I am conscious that the 8 still has to prove itself. I barely came out. Lets check on this group in a couple months. And see what feedback comes from 8 owners (like mea, yeah!)

See, I am happy with my car. Apparently it doesn't have all its ponies down where they are supposed to be. But sorry, I am crazy, I don't care.

Originally posted by OmegaBob


Let's not forget the not-so-good interior, the small boot and the tire feathering problems.

The interior looks pretty sweet to me, also I have heard of 3 total people that had tire feathering and what the hell is a "small boot" :confused:

Hey lets not forget, I heard something about AC cycling, dynoing at 175HP and 124TQ, problems with clutches, sunroof design problems, 13 miles per gallon, oil lights flashing, top speeds of 133 and rough idle.

"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"

Originally posted by Blue 350z
Also the 5-60 time for the RX was 7.5, the 350z's 5-60 is 5.9 seconds.. So said torque don't matter again? That's why the Good Lord gave us a clutch and six gears to choose from. At 5mph in 4th, the engine's barely off idle, ferchrissakes. You wanna pull away from a stoplight in 4th, be my guest. I'll use the gearbox, thanks.

Originally posted by Blue 350z


The interior looks pretty sweet to me, also I have heard of 3 total people that had tire feathering and what the hell is a "small boot" :confused:

Hey lets not forget, I heard something about AC cycling, dynoing at 175HP and 124TQ, problems with clutches, sunroof design problems, 13 miles per gallon, oil lights flashing, top speeds of 133 and rough idle.

"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"
I think the more apt quote is "People who drive a 350Z shouldn't come to an RX-8 forum to troll."

Or maybe... it's just the way I read it.

Originally posted by eccles
That's why the Good Lord gave us a clutch and six gears to choose from. At 5mph in 4th, the engine's barely off idle, ferchrissakes. You wanna pull away from a stoplight in 4th, be my guest. I'll use the gearbox, thanks.

WTF are you talking about? Who the hell said anything about 5mph in 4th?

Maybe you don't get it..

1st gear mashing the pedel at 5mph to 60mph takes:

The RX-8 = 7.5 seconds
The 350z = 5.9 seconds

get it now?

Also its funny has graphicguy has not responded to me calling him out about his stupid statements on my time slips even as he has been online. That goes to show ya what happens when somebody talks thru his butt.

Originally posted by Blue 350z
Also FYI: The max cornering grip of an rx8 = 91g, the 350z is 89g and it weights 300+ more then the RX8.

See this is the thing... for most of us, a rolling start of 7.5s is plenty quick if you combine it with the price, handling, build quality and utility of the car.

It's a tradeoff I'm happy to make as are many others. Those that aren't happy with that tradeoff will buy the 350Z or G35C.

Simple as that.

Originally posted by Hercules
See this is the thing... for most of us, a rolling start of 7.5s is plenty quick if you combine it with the price, handling, build quality and utility of the car.

It's a tradeoff I'm happy to make as are many others. Those that aren't happy with that tradeoff will buy the 350Z or G35C.

Simple as that.

I agree, I actually concider any car that can run the 1/4 under 16 seconds plenty fast for any everyday occasion.

Then why do you continue to troll with the comments about the car?

If you want to debate, we are all open to it. If you want to troll, then you're going to get treated like one.

It's stupid comments that have no base like the car having no interior (where the hell did you pull that one from?) that will cause scrutiny.

Anyways... let's try to be civil, when you are a 350Z owner and want to talk about the RX-8, I think there is a way to do it with TACT. However, thus far none of the people that drive the 350Z or G35 (well, Don and some others are okay) have had that tact, especially as of late. It seems we are just pulling in oodles of trolls and really... who wants to hear that.

Now you're calling me out? Bad mistake on your part bluboy.....

Every race on an official track I've been involved with shows the car make or the owner's name on the slip, regardless of the lane sponsor. I stick by the fact that you've never run your Z on a track.

Remember when I said that no matter how bad you think you are, there's always someone badder?

Bring it.....

Anyone else notice that it seems the vast majority of bluboy's posts are just to trash the RX8?

Oh yea, this "dumbass" is still calling you a liar!!!!!!!

Blue 350Z, let's be friend. You have my respect for buying the 350Z instead of G35C.

I love my RX8, but if I have a lot money, I wouldn't even consider these two cars. Well I might, if already have 911 and M3 in my garage. :D No, I don't want to start on Murcielago and Enzo, at my current pace, it is just impossible.

I always wonder, does everyone love their RX8 or 350Z unconditionally? Would you rather have an M3 or 911?

I'd take a Lotus Elise over my RX-8. M3 is nice but I've driven it... it is not as easy to throw around, but the power is AWESOME :)

911....we'll see :)

Originally posted by Blue 350z


Wow thats a mouthload of opinions ain't it.


"AZwhoopin22", think about what you're trying to say, and what hole you're digging yourself in. Don't worry though, because I understand its very easy to get in a car vs car pissmatch, but it really has to stop out of sheer inanity.

The vast majority of these arguments are arguments about cars in whatever stock state of tune they are in... how valid is that? What is the point of arguing about essentially a marketing decision, or an attempt to reach a companies market ideal? because that is what is going on IMO. Gear the car for 60mph topend in 2nd, gear the car for soft suspension so that less people will be turned away because their backs are collapsing. The different choices a company makes in all the factors that can make up a car makes any comparison irrelevant.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that the "stock" criteria-application in all of these arguments gives them weight and credibility of paper-mache.

The only discussion that is relevant to me is the underlying engineering, and that comes out only in high states of tune where components of the car are actually brought to their limits. Here, it doesnt matter where you play, either the track or the dragstrip, but even then it's different applications. Think about where you are in this argument, and if you still want to play, then keep your rag on (in the meantime think RX-7). But you'll probably have to wait a few months until products mature... its just how new cars work. But even then car vs car gets boring... its more like team vs team or driver vs driver.

But anyway, if you are unwilling to bring the argument to any level higher than stock, your arguments are basically as i said before paper mache and your level is pretty well evident on the Pyramid of Speed :). even Skyline Maniac's rants about warranties and Mazda brand name are more useful. THere is a way to discuss other cars without trolling

It feels to me that the top end of the car is lacking... but I don't know how it's SUPPOSED to be.

I think we need to sit back and see what happens.. it will work itself out I think.

Alright, this is just going around in circles now. Nothing new is being said...

---jps