I was just wondering how much work goes into something as simple as removing a logo? I ask this because I want to remove the Mazda logo on the front and all but the RX-8 logo on the rear. Is this a bigger job than it seems?

I've known people to get good results using a hair dryer or heat gun to help loosen the adhesive, and then dental floss for removal (some cars prefer waxed mint :D)

Just don't try it with a screwdriver. When using a heat gun, be careful not to overheat the paint.

red base has the method down, that's exactly how it's done.

That's as long as there aren't any "posts" in the logo that lines it up in the bodywork (as in some cars). Then you'll have a pair of "breather" holes in the front of the car.

---jps

my sister's acura 3.2cl had the posts. I'm right with tallguy on what I want to remove and what I want to keep. Anyone know if mazdas generally have posts on badges or not?

If they do, you are going to need to do 1 of 2 things...

1) get them removed by a body shop and have the panel repainted (too costly to be worth it? probably)

2) get in a fender bender and damage that panel. Then it needs to get repainted anyway, so go ahead and take them off.

3) don't do 2, otherwise we will all shed a collective tear.

Originally posted by pmacwill

2) get in a fender bender and damage that panel. Then it needs to get repainted anyway, so go ahead and take them off.

3) don't do 2, otherwise we will all shed a collective tear.

Heh heh. I've noticed many "first posts" in the new sections of the forum. I wonder who will come forth with the "first scratch", "first dent", or worst of all..."first accident"?

I vote myself for "first scratch". Call it a curse I've had with many of the vehicles (*cough* *cough* RX-7s) I've owned. (^_^)

Anyone know if mazdas generally have posts on badges or not?

Someone backed a pickup onto the nose of our 2001 Miata special edition.. required a bit of bodywork.

And I've got the dented up Mazda logo as a souvenier -- it has posts that stick into the car. Or at least had, before it was pulled off.

-SS

i'm about 90% sure that the MX-6 (1993-1997) had posts too.

I looked on the Mazda6 forum and found a little info.

Tha model logo does not seem to have posts. One member over there removed the Mazda6 Badge, but left the winged M emblem. There is reason to believe the winged M emblems have posts to ensure correct alignment. This has been the case for numerous Mazda models, and I'm sure there is some consistency across the brand in this regard. If that's the case, I wouldn't worry too much about it - just leave it on.

The front logo generally has posts and adhesive on most cars just to secure it from flying off.

my protege has posts on every badge.

only way i know is to take them off and weld the hole, then buff and repaint

both my mazdas have had posts in them. With my old red rx7, i had 3 holes i think in the rear and 2 in the front. You can patch with some body filler and use touch up paint, it worked awesome. I just had to make sure the body filler didnt go anywhere other than RIGHT ON the holes.

I couldn't find the other thread regarding this subject but there are posts on every emblem. I've been looking over my car and I'm interested in doing it. I was against the idea at first because like many of us, I thought it would look weird. But after looking at my pics, I think with the rotary accents alone on the car would look great. The hairdryer and dental floss procedure seems possible for me to do, but in no way would I know how to fill those holes. What do you think a body shop would charge to fill and paint? I have the touch-up paint but would they have to paint the whole thing? Anybody with experience in this area care to offer some advice and what you might think a job like that would cost?

Thanks,
BV

Originally posted by brothervoodoo
I couldn't find the other thread regarding this subject but there are posts on every emblem...

The only badge without posts is the "RX-8" which I removed quite easily, though not without damaging the badge itself. The paint underneath is perfect.

Removing the model designation certainly increased the number of people asking "what is it?"

Thanks for the info, but if I were to de-badge I would do the front and the 3 in the back.

Ok, just to verify things here, the badge on the front, and the rear deck have posts on them? And the only one that doesnt is the RX8 badge on the back. Thats simple enough. TIA

id leave the front badge on and and take everything off the back except the rx-8 emblem
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Gotta bring this thread back from the dead...Has anyone been successful in removing the front and back Mazda badges and replacing it the rotary badges? Btw, where can I find the triangular rotary badge? I couldn't find any on eBay...

I got a body shop here in ca and they want 500 bucks to remove front badge and rear mazda, rx8 and badge

isn't that a little too expensive just to remove 2 badges

thats for two badges and the mazda and rx8 emblems in the back
but yes I think its too much

Originally posted by mikeb
I got a body shop here in ca and they want 500 bucks to remove front badge and rear mazda, rx8 and badge Hey Mike, That's just to remove the emblem, sounds like a bad deal? Someone mentioned something about a hairdryer and dental floss to remove the badges. I'm not worried about taking the emblems off, I'm worried about filling the holes and repainting the panels. Nobody has actually done this and can quote the cost? The hold-up must be obtaining a good amount of the factory paint to do the job right.

no, its 500 to remove mazda badge in front and back along with mazda and rx8 emblems in the back and then fill and paint

Originally posted by mikeb
no, its 500 to remove mazda badge in front and back along with mazda and rx8 emblems in the back and then fill and paint Then that sounds like a fair price to me. If I could find somebody that could do it professionally around here I would get it done (assuming I don't give the car back).

I'm planning on removing them and getting in done the first week of october and I'll post pics

To summarize info from other threads...
Front Center Symbol - posts and adhesive
Rear Center Symbol - posts and adhesive
Rear Left Mazda - posts and adhesive
Rear Right RX-8 - adhesive

Carefully use hot air blower to loosen adhesive. Use floss to seperate the adhesive from the car. Clean.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Now for my questions...

1) Anyone know how many posts on each badge? Where the posts are on each badge?

2) Any sources for badging mods? No Jesus or Darwin fish need to apply.

I'd like to remove the RX-8 and the Mazda. Not worth the cost of filling and painting. I was thinking that a cheaper solution would be to find something attractive to cover the holes. Probably something where the RX-8 was to balance the tail.

Don't really have any good ideas, yet, other than words.
"milo's" "ride" (this will have to be lower case)
"MIKE'S" "RIDE" (mike is my real first name)
"CARPE" "DIEM" (a challenge to others)
"LOW" "MPG"
"IN" "DEBT"
"BLING" "BLING" (hmmmmm.... now that's an idea)
"SAYA" "NORA"
"BUH" "BYE"
"GOTTA" "GO"
"CYA" "L8R"
"EYE" "CANDY"

Something symbolic or ornamental might be interesting:
Large Rotary Symbols (makes for 3 symbols almost on the same horizontal line)

My plate will say RX-8 (can't believe it wasn't already reserved) so no one will wonder what the car is.

milo

P.S. 3 words... (probably won't fit and ugly if it does)
"VENI" "VIDI" "VICI" (another challenge to others)
"ZOOM" "ZOOM" "ZOOM"

"Uncle" + "Ben"

your info is correct
I wouldnt add any extras though

Im looking into getting the same small badges that come on the mazdaspeed.They are much smaller and have a brushed aluminium look ill let ya know if i find some.

Originally posted by WTF no turbo
Im looking into getting the same small badges that come on the mazdaspeed.They are much smaller and have a brushed aluminium look ill let ya know if i find some.

But they just say "MAZDA" and "RX-8". They don't look very different.

milo

Has anyone tried to remove the "RX8" or "mazda" or the mazda logo from their cars.

I tried the heat gun / floss techinique. I think the mazda might be bolted on? Any ideas guys?

they shouldnt be bolted on, try heating it up better

The 'flying M' in front has posts going thru the hood. Removal would involve filling and painting. (!)

The Mazda on the trunk has posts, the only 'floss removable' logo is the script 'RX8' and that is probably the only one you would want to keep, sorry.

S

I don't mind the front "M" on the hood. But the emblems on the trunk gots to go. They are placed to close to each other and I like to leave people guessing on what car it is ... :)

Actually, as I recall, I think it's the other way around... on the back, the "RX-8" and the "Flying M" have posts, while the "Mazda" is stuck on.

Why don't you ask user "P-rock" who just had his removed? See this thread: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13911

Also, this has been discussed before... you might want to try doing a search.

thx all

everything has posts except
the rx8 logo in back

Hey guys. I've been visiting this site (everyday) for the past 4 months. I currently own a Nissan Murano, Pontiac GTP and a Mits. Galant. The GTP is growing old on me and I'm going to get rid of it next spring. In the mean time, there are 3 cars that I am considering. The Mazda 6s, RX-8, and Infiniti G35 Coupe. Of course any one of these willbe manual. :D

Anyway, I have been downloading tons of pics of all three and right now it is a very tough decision. It's really a toss up between the RX and the G, but if the wife and I decide to save a little more $$ we might end up with the M6. We'll see.

Back to my question. Has anyone here debadge their trunk?

Here's a picture of an RX that I did some quick art work in paintbrush. The car belongs to a newbie that just signed on recently. :D (I hope he doesn't mind)

No picture, so I assume you mean removing the logos from your trunk.

On my first RX-8 (returned for a refund and a new RX-8), I had the privilege of some asshole removing the logos from the trunk two nights after getting the car :mad:. It was the summer, so the glue wasn't bonded very well. The RX-8 logo pried off without a scratch. The Mazda logo is a plug with two holes into the trunk. They pried it off, broke a little piece off (landing on my driveway), and left two ugly holes in the trunk (ugly for anything other than a black car, where they probably won't be noticable). The dealer replaced the logos for free (I asked for a car cover when I bought the car, but the parts department was closed AND they didn't stock them).

They didn't touch the M logo in the center of the trunk.

If it wasn't for the two holes, I would probably have left it without the logos (or if I had to pay to replace them). The back does look cleaner (again, except for the holes).

If you do this, make sure you remove the plugs that break off into
the space between the trunk and the outside body, the rattle is pretty bad when you raise/lower the trunk lid.

Let me try this again.

I think it looks better with no badges

To your photo, there would be two holes about 1/4" in diameter where the Mazda logo (left side) was. With the blue car it would be quite visible.

Dave is right and if I'm not mistaken, if you took off the middle emblem, it would also leave post holes. Actually, the "RX-8" emblem to the right is the only one without posts holes.

thats true
but if you debadge the car you would fill holes and have it painted
I got a estimate of 500 for front and back emblems

Originally posted by mikeb
I got a estimate of 500 for front and back emblems Labor and paint?

yes , total

your pic is cool....if you look at the topside of the bumper you can see the reflection of the badges even though they are not there from your photoshop work...

Originally posted by Dave Gotwisner

On my first RX-8 (returned for a refund and a new RX-8), I had the privilege of some asshole removing the logos from the trunk two nights after getting the car :mad:.


Damn! That sucks. I am so glad my 8 is garaged at work and at home. It's never spent a night out.

I haven't had the debadging done yet - but I think it cleans up the look of the back and adds an air of mystery to this amazing car! I plan on getting it done as soon as I locate a paint shop I can trust.

Originally posted by rx8ntexas
your pic is cool....if you look at the topside of the bumper you can see the reflection of the badges even though they are not there from your photoshop work...

good catch rx8ntexas. i think the car looks better debadged.

Re-badge with something like Nash Rambler and freak people out since not many people recognize the car yet ;)

Originally posted by rx8ntexas
your pic is cool....if you look at the topside of the bumper you can see the reflection of the badges even though they are not there from your photoshop work...

Good eye. :D

How about now?

What if you put the rotary badge (like the Rx-7's had) I saw those one time. Do you think it would look good? And put them where the Mazda emblem is.

Originally posted by SikRedRX-8
What if you put the rotary badge (like the Rx-7's had) I saw those one time. Do you think it would look good? And put them where the Mazda emblem is.

Do you have a picture of one? I can photoshop that on to the trunk lid.

I think some members here simply have too much free time! :)

Originally posted by mikeb
yes , total I think that's a fair price for the work. If I knew someone up here that could do a professional job for that price, I would.

Originally posted by Wasy
I think some members here simply have too much free time! :)

C'mon Wasy.........if you ever played with Adobe Photoshop, things like this take a minute or two. Heck, in the time it took you to write your post, I could have turned that RX-8 into a pink car. :p :D ;)

Originally posted by SikRedRX-8
What if you put the rotary badge (like the Rx-7's had) I saw those one time. Do you think it would look good? And put them where the Mazda emblem is.

do you have any pictures of what the rotary badge looks like?

Originally posted by Ohgeez
.... In the mean time, there are 3 cars that I am considering. The Mazda 6s, RX-8, and Infiniti G35 Coupe...
Funny you should mention this... I currently own an '03 Mazda 6S (wife's car) and an '04 Mazda RX-8 (my car), but I seriously considered a G35 before I bought the '8. I ultimately went with the '8 because (a) the G35 is $5K more expensive for the way I wanted it, (b) there are TONS of problems with the G35, and (c) the nearest dealer is 50+ miles away from me, through totally F'd up city traffic almost the whole way there.

If you want more info on how bad the G35 can be, check out http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX?50@50.BJAhc0usaMS.0@.ef0b872! And if you want to talk with an owner of the Mazdas, lemme know. :D

Originally posted by Omicron
Funny you should mention this... I currently own an '03 Mazda 6S (wife's car) and an '04 Mazda RX-8 (my car), but I seriously considered a G35 before I bought the '8. I ultimately went with the '8 because (a) the G35 is $5K more expensive for the way I wanted it, (b) there are TONS of problems with the G35, and (c) the nearest dealer is 50+ miles away from me, through totally F'd up city traffic almost the whole way there.

If you want more info on how bad the G35 can be, check out http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX?50@50.BJAhc0usaMS.0@.ef0b872! And if you want to talk with an owner of the Mazdas, lemme know. :D

Well, no offense Omnicron, every car has there issues and dissatisfied customers. I looked at the link you provided and found complaints about the RX-8 as well. Things that seem to be commom are A/C issues, cars flooding & not starting, check engine light, MPG, and a few others. Heck, I can find bad information about any car but I don't always take that into consideration. There are thousands of satisfied owners who we never hear from.

Right now I have three cars. A 2003 Nissan Murano, 98 Pontiac GTP and a '94 Mitsubishi Galant. Now, the former, has been an AWESOME car to own in respect to "problems & issues". I've had my Galant since '95 and all I have done is your basic maintainence......oil change, tires, plugs, etc. This car now has 120,000 miles and runs much better than my Pontiac. At the time of purchase , everyone I know told me to buy an Accord or Camry that the Galant was a p.o.s. Well, this p.o.s. has never failed me.
:D

Point of all this babbling is, I buy cars that "I" like, not what I read on the internet. But thanks for the heads-up.

BTW, my kids are really digging all the RX-8 pictures I've been down loading. They seem to be picking the RX over the G. :)

Maybe I should just let them choose for me. :p

Well, just trying to help.

I didn't just decide not to go with the G35 "because of things I read on the internet" though. I did quite a bit of research AWAY from the internet, and concluded the car had a too high a chance of being a POS. Point being, I listed the link just to give you an idea that there is a lot of negativity from people who bought them, and thought you might like to know.

Ah well, just my 2 cents. Probably worth even less.

Originally posted by Omicron
Well, just trying to help.


Ah well, just my 2 cents. Probably worth even less.

I disagree. Your comments are worth more than .02. :p


In my search for my next toy, any advice is much appreciated. :D

I have thought about debadging my wb 6mt as well. I want to take all the badges off the entire car and put the rx_8 badge on the back in the center where the Mazda emblem is now. Can you photoshop that?

Do you mean the Efini badges that are for sale here? (http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=239465&highlight=efini+badge)

I really love that logo...I have it on my FD. However, I THINK they may be a bit small relative to the upside-down-pringles-guy logo Mazda uses now. So, in terms of scale, I'm not sure how it woudl look...

jds

Originally posted by s1mike22
do you have any pictures of what the rotary badge looks like?

Edit: Fixed URL above

the link isnt working

My bad...its fixed now.

Any idea how much those Efini badges are?

They're $25 each, $35 for the "Efini" badge, at www.rx7store.net.

jds

Thanks!

can someone photoshop these on there. I really want to get them. I would like to see the front, and rear with only efini and the RX-8 on there. Thanks.

How wide and how tall is the Mazda emblem that comes stock? I can measure the Efini badge on my car and compare. It seems to be smaller, so at the very least, the posts won't match the holes. Not an insurmountable problem of course, but a bit more effort.

jds

Mike B - did you get them done?

no I didnt
I got side tracked

eibach springs, ms b pillars, polished gas cap

I got all of mine done for 350, all of the badge holes filled a painted. love it looks sweet and clean. every one flags me down to ask me what the hell is it, I love it here is a pic.

got any different pics

Hey, anybody know how remove the Mazda plate on the left and the RX8 logo on the right?

Are they just super glued on or do they have holes holding them in place as well as the glue?

Thanks.

If you do a search you may find it, but in another thread, perhaps regarding stolen badges, I saw someone say that, like the Miata, one of the badges has pins and the other is just glued on. I don't remember which is which.

I wouldn't mind debadging mine, if it weren't such major surgery. (You'd have to fill in the holes and repaint the deck lid to do it right.) Maybe it's obnoxious, but I love to keep people guessing.

All the emblems have posts except for the "RX-8". I just had it done and got my car back yesterday. Yes, basically it's just glue, taking them off is easy, all you need is a blow dryer and some dental floss. Getting the holes filled and painting is the hard part.

Pics below:
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17135

very nice pics
the rx8 looks good in the middle of grill

Hello all!

I just got my RX-8 a month ago and I'm in love.

Titanium Silver Metallic
Sport package w/6 disc

My brother has a Dodge Stealth R/T. He took off all the badging.
Even though it's a boring looking car, after he did that it looked a lot better. So much more clean, sleek and custom.

MY QUESTION:
IS THE RX-8'S BADGING GLUED ON OR DOES IT HAVE THE PINS THAT WOULD LEAVE HOLES IN MY PANELS?

This forum is awesome. I have learned so much about my car!
I will be here for a long time.
I especially feel better about my bad gas mileage.
(13/16)900miles

Thanks everyone:D

Brother Voodoo did a nice job on debadging his RX-8. Check out his post (http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17135); I believe he said that three of the badges have posts -- the "M" on the front and back and the "mazda" badge as well. I also seem to recall that he said he paid $500 to paint the holes.

Yep, that's correct, only the "RX 8" badge is glued on, and the other 3 have posts.

yeah, whatever those two guys said.... ;)

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17135&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

Man, that just sucks the "Mazda" on the back has pins. :mad:

I was hoping this afternoon to remove the "RX-8" and "Mazda" from the trunk lid. :mad:

Sorry, had to vent.



Oh well...

Originally posted by 310Guy
Man, that just sucks the "Mazda" on the back has pins. :mad:

I was hoping this afternoon to remove the "RX-8" and "Mazda" from the trunk lid. :mad:

Sorry, had to vent.



Oh well... Well, you can have them removed, you'll just have to either live with the holes, or pay to have them filled and painted. :D

I'm just givin you grief man. Yeah, I agree it sux they have posts. :mad:

Well, this is wad i did to mine. Replaced it with another tag. :D

I wouldnt do that unless I had Mazdaspeed parts on my 8

Thanks for the pic. I kinda agre with mikeb on having Mazdaspeed parts before I did something like that; and since I don't... :(

BTW, does that tag have the pins? Or is it attached just with adhesive? Thanks.

I wouldn't mind just removing the flying M logos on front and back. I think it is too busy as it is right now. My question is what size diameter are the posts? Are they about 1/8 inch? smaller? larger? Please let me know.

-JiM

Originally posted by mikeb
I wouldnt do that unless I had Mazdaspeed parts on my 8

It's funny.. coz it looks like a MazdaSpeed wing for the FD... but it's mounted backwards!! :confused:

I have the MS GT-C wing... I think it's the same.. (mounted the right way.. LOL)

http://www.jayspec7.com/events/scp1003/scp019.jpg

310guy, the mazda speed tag's with adhesive. The original tag was a straight word, i had to break it so that i can hide the holes.

As for the size, its about 1-1.5cm (guesstimating). Cant realli remember, did it a while back. Hope dis helps...

Jayspec7, its a STI replica. Sure is mounted the right way :D. But your pic is tempting me to see how it looks like when i flip it over.... Hmmm....

Originally posted by Neon
310guy, the mazda speed tag's with adhesive. The original tag was a straight word, i had to break it so that i can hide the holes.

As for the size, its about 1-1.5cm (guesstimating). Cant realli remember, did it a while back. Hope dis helps...

Jayspec7, its a STI replica. Sure is mounted the right way :D. But your pic is tempting me to see how it looks like when i flip it over.... Hmmm....


LOL how dare they make a replica of the MazdaSpeed wing and put em on STi's... :D

Well, u answered it. It was meant for the Mazdas! -____-;;

Originally posted by Neon
310guy, the mazda speed tag's with adhesive. The original tag was a straight word, i had to break it so that i can hide the holes.



So the holes are off-set from each other? One is higher than the other?

Thanks for any info. :cool:

I was wondering if anyone has done the full debading on the 8, and is there anything I need to look out for??? I don't want to take the badges off, if there are going to be holes drilled in the trunk or front bumper.


Thanks,

Troy J.

The only one without holes is the Mazda. The rest will leave holes.

Not to sound retarted... So I can take off the MAZDA emlbem and I have to leave on the round emblems and RX-8? Usually car companies make holes purposely, so you can't debadge them and so they get free advertisement. But that MAZDA emlbem is overkill, because there is already Mazda emblems. Just look at BMW's, there is model designation and then emblem; there isn't a spelling out of BMW on the left of the trunk lid.


Troy J.

Yes you can remove the Mazda emblem. Do a search on debadging the 8 and verify.

Do a Search for Brother Voodoo. He had his debadged for 5 bills. find any post of his and follow the links in his sig for pictures - it looks good.

There are holes for the flying "M" logo (front and back) as well as the word "Mazda" on the trunk. In fact, the holes from Mazda are not even aligned in a row together. The left one is actually higher than the middle and right one. That's completed retarded for Mazda to do something like that. If they were all in a row (aligned together) you could remove the Mazda and cover them with some other type of emblem or badge.

The ONLY one that does not have holes is "RX-8" on the trunk.

310guy is right... everything BUT the rx8 badge has holes

Cool I knew better than to say for sure and I knew one of them did not have holes. Thanks

Today I debadged. I removed the "RX-8" with a hairdryer and dental floss. I then removed the word "mazda" from the rear w/ hairdryer dental floss then a papertowel covered spatula to remove pin holes attached through frame.

There are 3 pin holes behind the "mazda" emblem not 2 as posted previously.

I got clear silicon past and reglued the "RX 8" in a fashion to cover the 3 holes left by the "mazda". From the inside I patched up the holes with bondo glaze putty to protect from leaks in case there was a small gap in my re-gluing efforts.

Looks cooler, but better if it was all off.

Originally posted by chehrazi
Today I debadged. I removed the "RX-8" .... Looks cooler, but better if it was all off.

pics?

Chehrazi - that is exaclty what I want to do! Did the RX-8 cover the three holes from the old mazda logo - or did you have to rig it to make it cover?

Sorry for the delay. Here are the pics of my rear debadging. Debadge.

another pic

kinda different
not my style

Chehrazi - what happened to the dash between the x-8? And is the spacing about the same as when it was on the other side from the factory?

not feelin the rx 8 on the left side

Anyone think it would possible to debadge,then Re-badge? I want to pull the badges so I can black them out...Always been partial to black on black.:cool:

Regarding the dash. I was debating putting it on as well then I lost it along the way.
The alignment is slightly different when on the left side, but as you can see from the pics, it works out well.

Regarding debadge and rebadge. That'll work for the RX-8 but not the MAZDA.
When I removed the MAZDA I had to use a bit of force (because of the pegs) and the the MAZDA emblem got bent up in the process.

Ok, ive def. had a dent...a scratch...and an accident. Nothing major, but when you love to drive, and are reallllllly fcking good at it like me, plus then you never go the speed limit and you always take turns fast and weave, there are gonna b morons who run in to the back of u at a light, or touch and scratch your car, or your retarded cat jumps on it in the garage, or the best so far....drift into the 1 fcking random sprinkler head in the entire few acres of road. So ya, i can drift, but a screw lodged in your tire is not useful. Here is a tip, dont try to be like they are in the movies, ya its cool. BUT it ruins tires, other stuff i probubly havnt noticed, and smells once your done. So, stay clear of that. Word of Advice, baby your car, but take it to the limit and enjoy it. Nothing is worse than a babied car left in a garage or driven slow.

Enjoi




Heh heh. I've noticed many "first posts" in the new sections of the forum. I wonder who will come forth with the "first scratch", "first dent", or worst of all..."first accident"?

I vote myself for "first scratch". Call it a curse I've had with many of the vehicles (*cough* *cough* RX-7s) I've owned. (^_^)