I'm at a loss. I've been defeated by a simple spark plug swap.

Well, not so simple. The last guy who did it (probably some poorly paid Jap in Hiroshima) was a cock who forgot his anti-seize (I'm starting to think everyone at the Renesis assembly line were cocks out to make life miserable. That, or big burly men with the strength of many apes. The supposedly simple oil filter swap resulted in the same thing, and we had three big guys yanking at it for like an hour before it moved).

I can't get the old plugs out, no matter how hard I try. I've tried a few different ways, including getting a fulcrum thing going on.

None of my ideas worked. So..., I kinda need help on this. I probably need a burly man to actually twist the fucker out. The only thing I managed to achieve today was cut my wrist, and clean out a mountain of dirt that was still stuck there from the last RallyX.

Total failure.

Solutions?

Thus far, I've tried:

-Straight up ratchet wrench to spark plug socket: FAIL
-Fulcrum on ratchet wrench: FAIL
-2x 10" extensions with wobble: FAIL

So, obviously, someone totally fucked up.

Any ideas guys?

You didnt mention using a spark plug socket. Do you have one ? I mean did you use 1 ?

NONE of the factory cars came with Anti-Seize on them. In case you dunno that. and yes its gay that because after some time, its hard to get it out.

my car had the Engine No-Start TSB done to it, and when I change the plugs myself 14K miles ago, the plugs was really tight, I was afraid that I might leave *something* in the hole, but my spark plug socket did its job right and the whole thing came out. put new plugs in with Anti-Seize.

And I just did my plugs again 2 days ago and guess what, with Anti-Seize, Its 10 times easier.

Yes, I have a spark plug socket. I wouldn't start without one. Did you put a breaker bar to it?

I would think that it is carbon buildup that is causing the stuck spark plug. If it is the original plug, the factory would have a torque wrench on the line to put in the plugs to eliminate that kind of problem. Also, the plugs are suppose to be changed before the car is delivered. I forget if that is at the port of delivery or the dealer.

IIRC, at the dealer.

It shouldn't be carbon buildup... I redline the car about once every week, and I recently dumped seafoam in the fuel.

IIRC, at the dealer.

It shouldn't be carbon buildup... I redline the car about once every week, and I recently dumped seafoam in the fuel.

CAn you take a picture of the *stuck* plugs see how *stuck* it is ?

It looks like just about any other plug in a Renesis out there. It won't move at all, and is screwed in tight as a drum.

It looks like just about any other plug in a Renesis out there. It won't move at all, and is screwed in tight as a drum.

Have you try to put some WD40 to it ?

It work wonders for some people.

Hrm..., I'll try the WD40 idea once this winter storm blows by.

There is other lubricant just for this task.

umm... winter uh.

Just heat the block with a torch, then freeze the plug with an upside down air can.

I'm not so sure a torch is a good idea. I don't really have that much space, and a torch will prolly burn everything around the plugs (wires and all).

Just try some WD40 first. spray it on and let it sit for an hour, go back and spary some again, do the same thing for 3-4 times the WD40 should be able to go in and might be able to loose your plugs.

Or just wipe it clean, put everything back and pretend nothing happened, then call Mazda to tow your car. (if you're under warranty)

I know this will sound insulting, but you are turning it the right way right? I've had situations where I end up turning it the wrong way, which frustrates me to no end.

Always, Always, Always, Always, Always, Always, Always, Always use a dab of antiseize.

'Job One' when i got mine....

You may need a lot more than a torque wrench to break it free - make sure the block is warmed up, then spray a can of that 'computer chip cooler' on the plug, and good luck.

I had, (a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away,) a plug seize solid - four foot pipe on a half inch socket, broke the threads off. An amazing rotary mechanic drilled it out, while blowing air into the chamber thru the second plug hole, and it worked.

I take no such chances any more.

S

I know this will sound insulting, but you are turning it the right way right? I've had situations where I end up turning it the wrong way, which frustrates me to no end.

hmm .... well, Lion has a point, yeah, Just like most other ones you need to turn it counter clockwise to loose it.

i didn't have anti-seize when i put mine in a couple days ago. mine weren't as tough as this thread, but my engine was still warm (28k miles). should i pull and apply? i have no problem with wd if it comes down to that.

If the plugs have NEVER seen anti-seize, do it now.

Once the stuff is on the threads you can get away with swapping in and out, or new plugs, but if they are dry you are just begging for it.

.....and no, WD-40 won't get past the gasket to the threads.

s

use PB Blaster. this is what it's made for...

And if that still doesn't work, use a can of "freeze spray" or "cold shock" (they sell it at auto parts stores) that you spray directly to what you want unstuck... it's essentially compressed air, but it makes it cold in a frickin' hurry. That *should* break it lose.

So WD-40 is a no go?

I'll see what I can do with the freeze spray. Prolly a good idea too.

nycgps: What did you mean by getting Mazda to tow my car? What's the point of that?

I should still be under warranty..., though I think I'm pretty close to it running out.

PB Blast is better than WD-40, but it probably won't help too much.
You just need to put a breaker bar on the wrench, make sure the socket won't wobble (that the torque is at a perfect right-angle to the line of the plug) and crank it.
Even with anti-seize, mine always take a good tweak with a 12", 3/8" drive breaker.

So WD-40 is a no go?

I'll see what I can do with the freeze spray. Prolly a good idea too.

nycgps: What did you mean by getting Mazda to tow my car? What's the point of that?

I should still be under warranty..., though I think I'm pretty close to it running out.

Meaning if in the end you still cant turn it, let the fools at dealership to do it for you.

You can use those cold thing to try to freeze it up.

So WD-40 is a no go?

I'll see what I can do with the freeze spray. Prolly a good idea too.
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do you have a decent 1/2" socket set and a spark plug socket to suit or are you using a 3/8" drive ?

impact gun.

Meaning if in the end you still cant turn it, let the fools at dealership to do it for you.

You can use those cold thing to try to freeze it up.

I think it's pretty darned cold outside now. :lol:

I'll wait till it's warmer or something, or drive it before I do it in one of my friend's garages.

PB Blast is better than WD-40, but it probably won't help too much.
You just need to put a breaker bar on the wrench, make sure the socket won't wobble (that the torque is at a perfect right-angle to the line of the plug) and crank it.
Even with anti-seize, mine always take a good tweak with a 12", 3/8" drive breaker.

I have a universal joint attached to the spark plug socket. How do I ensure that there is perfect perpendicular torque to the plugs?

do you have a decent 1/2" socket set and a spark plug socket to suit or are you using a 3/8" drive ?

I have a 155 piece mechanic set. There's a socket specifically made for spark plugs in that set.

Warm up the engine....I think you will have much better luck when it's warm

Always, Always, Always, Always, Always, Always, Always, Always use a dab of antiseize.

'Job One' when i got mine....

You may need a lot more than a torque wrench to break it free - make sure the block is warmed up, then spray a can of that 'computer chip cooler' on the plug, and good luck.

I had, (a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away,) a plug seize solid - four foot pipe on a half inch socket, broke the threads off. An amazing rotary mechanic drilled it out, while blowing air into the chamber thru the second plug hole, and it worked.

I take no such chances any more.

S

Wow! That's scary! :Eyecrazy:

I have a universal joint attached to the spark plug socket. How do I ensure that there is perfect perpendicular torque to the plugs?
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You are going in through the wheel well right ?


I have a 155 piece mechanic set. There's a socket specifically made for spark plugs in that set.

it is probably 3/8" drive - 1/2" drive is way better for jobs like this .

You are going in through the wheel well right ?


it is probably 3/8" drive - 1/2" drive is way better for jobs like this .

Yes, I put the car on a jack, and removed a wheel and the splash guard.

Yes, I put the car on a jack, and removed a wheel and the splash guard.

not me.

I just drove my car up the ramp, put a big piece of card board box on the floor and start working.

tools I used was, spark plug socket, a universal join, a maybe 1 ft extension, and a ratchet.

I didnt even use a Torque wrench. Cuz I do it slowly, when it stops turning, I just give it another 1/2 circle and thats it. works for me so far.

Don't got no ramp, unless you're willing to ship one to me. :D

Don't got no ramp, unless you're willing to ship one to me. :D

Maybe u should go out and buy one ! :)

Its a bit expensive for 2 pieces of big plastic but, it really speed things up, A LOT.

Sorry it has come to this but...

Are you actually putting strength into turning it?

how tall are you, how much do you weigh?

Use a breaker bar or an impact gun.

For the breaker bar you have to use it from under the car.

Avoid swivels.

Sorry it has come to this but...

Are you actually putting strength into turning it?

how tall are you, how much do you weigh?

Use a breaker bar or an impact gun.

For the breaker bar you have to use it from under the car.

Avoid swivels.

Uh..., yes, I'm putting strength into it. :uhh:

I have a new game plan I wish to try. I'll warm it up before blasting it with air duster to cool the plugs, then break out the breaker bars.

1/- Warm it,

2/- Kool the plug,

3/- Get a very large bar,

I forgot to mention step 4/- Pray to Dr. Felix........

Good Luck.

S

Uh..., yes, I'm putting strength into it. :uhh:

I have a new game plan I wish to try. I'll warm it up before blasting it with air duster to cool the plugs, then break out the breaker bars.

I had to use a 12" breaker bar on the end of my ratchet and a 17" extension on the end of the spark plug socket to get mine out. You can ask my friend Mikeluvs8. He will tell you they are hard to break out. I changed mine on my last 8 and we took his off to check them.
Good luck!
-Gil

Any updates man ?

Sounds like he is having a lot of problems. I change my plugs out every 10k miles and use antisieze liberally but not get it on the tip of the plugs. I have never had a problem with mine at all. If anyone needs theirs changed out and lives on the west side of atlanta, I will do it for 150 and that includes the plugs. Dealer charges you 220 for the plugs alone. It takes me about an hour or so but, I can change them out fairly easily. If you redline the car very much, plugs are good for no more than 15k miles before they start to lose a little performance. Hope you get your plugs changed. Not good to have a mismatched set in there either.

Depends on the place u're getting your plugs from. I got mine all 4 about 60 something close to 70 bux I think ?

Not a bad deal IMO.

I just put HKS plugs into my car hmm they're much colder than stock so I guess its gonna be all foul up after maybe 10 K miles ... then Im gonna use the 6 heat range again.

i did it plain and simple with hand tools like a wetback. You gotta put some nuts into it with the 3/8 drive with the to get the sucker loose. Try spraying a little WD40 if it doesnt wanna come out

i did it plain and simple with hand tools like a wetback. You gotta put some nuts into it with the 3/8 drive with the to get the sucker loose. Try spraying a little WD40 if it doesnt wanna come out

You used a wetback? :squint:

Well, it's out. I got myself a big burly man to twist the fucker out with a 1/2" breaker bar and 2 1/2" 10" extensions...

Well, it's out. I got myself a big burly man

No need to announce these sorts of things. :uhh:

Well, it's out. I got myself a big burly man to twist the fucker out with a 1/2" breaker bar and 2 1/2" 10" extensions...

Anti-Seize this time ? :)

I hope you did ...