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Old Apr 20, 2024 | 08:56 AM
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Question Rough idle, hesitates at start of accel, runs fine

Hi everyone, been here for a while, but I'm struggling to track this one down. I got a rebuild done and wanted to install it myself, I got the engine in the car, and placed new Megan Racing motor mounts in. I ended up having to hand the rest off to a non-rotary specialist shop, and I'm worried something got broken on install, I have a 30 day warranty, but I am self diagnosing at the moment. It seems to hesitate when I try to give her some juice, but seems to cruise on the road fine. CEL for Secondary air injection which I think isn't related but also wasn't there when my car initially went down. It also has a tough idle after warming up a bit, the idle drops hard and then it revs up and revives itself, will start pretty much just fine hot and cold, any ideas where to start? I'm going to look into the coils and sparkplugs today (Don't know how to test wires, NGK installed about 10k ago, 2 years). 2006 mazda rx8 manual. For my dull men's club members, about 3 bananas daily.
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Old Apr 20, 2024 | 10:16 AM
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Check your vacuum lines.
One might've got knocked off.
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Old Apr 20, 2024 | 02:23 PM
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Any idea on how to check vacuum lines specifically? I have a buddy with a smoke tester, but is there a way I can do it myself? Also, other question, any idea on the graphs? I figure it's on here, but just to confirm what it looks like so I'm not tearing apart the entire bay if I don't have to?
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Old Apr 22, 2024 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Speedster
Hi everyone, been here for a while, but I'm struggling to track this one down. I got a rebuild done and wanted to install it myself, I got the engine in the car, and placed new Megan Racing motor mounts in. I ended up having to hand the rest off to a non-rotary specialist shop, and I'm worried something got broken on install, I have a 30 day warranty, but I am self diagnosing at the moment. It seems to hesitate when I try to give her some juice, but seems to cruise on the road fine. CEL for Secondary air injection which I think isn't related but also wasn't there when my car initially went down. It also has a tough idle after warming up a bit, the idle drops hard and then it revs up and revives itself, will start pretty much just fine hot and cold, any ideas where to start? I'm going to look into the coils and sparkplugs today (Don't know how to test wires, NGK installed about 10k ago, 2 years). 2006 mazda rx8 manual. For my dull men's club members, about 3 bananas daily.
Engine Power Loss
  • chokes as revs increase
    • O2 sensor failure (too rich)
    • MAF failure
    • MAF disconnected
    • e-shaft sensor fouled
    • accessory belt fraying
  • high end power loss (hard fuel cut)
    • Rev limit reached
  • high end power loss (jerky and stumbling)
    • Ignition failure
    • fuel pressure loss
    • e-shaft sensor fouled
  • high end power loss (smooth)
    • Catalytic converter clog
    • air filter clog
  • low end power loss (smooth)
    • Engine compression loss
  • low end power loss (stumbles)
    • Ignition failure
    • front O2 sensor failure
  • revs slowly but smoothly
    • O2 sensor failure (too lean)
    • catalytic converter clog
    • air filter clog
  • sudden power drop at a specific rpm
    • Intake valving actuation problem
  • trouble getting to redline
    • Ignition failure
    • front O2 sensor failure
    • catalytic converter clog
    • air filter clog
    • e-shaft sensor fouled
    • fuel pressure loss
    • MAF failure




Starting the Engine
  • Starter
  • Battery
  • Engine Compression
  • Grounding Wires
  • Ignition Coils
  • Spark Plugs
  • Spark Plug Wires
  • Fuel Pump
  • Fuel Injectors

Generating Power at Full Throttle
  • Ignition Coils
  • Spark Plugs
  • Spark Plug Wires
  • Engine Compression
  • E-Shaft Sensor (ESS)
  • Air Filter
  • Intake Valving
  • Throttle Body
  • Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF)
  • Fuel Pump
  • Fuel Injectors
  • Catalytic Converter (Cat)

Keeping the Engine at a Cruise
  • Ignition Coils
  • Spark Plugs
  • Spark Plug Wires
  • Engine Compression
  • E-Shaft Sensor (ESS)
  • Intake Valving
  • Throttle Body
  • Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF)
  • Fuel Pump
  • Fuel Injectors
  • Front O2 sensor
  • Catalytic Converter (Cat)

Keeping the Engine at an Idle
  • Ignition Coils
  • Spark Plugs
  • Spark Plug Wires
  • Engine Compression
  • E-Shaft Sensor (ESS)
  • Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF)
  • Front O2 sensor
  • Catalytic Converter (Cat)
  • Intake Vaccum

Managing Engine Heat
  • Radiator
  • Thermostat
  • Radiator fans
  • Water Pump
  • Coolant Lines
  • Coolant Temp Sensor (ECT)
  • Oil Coolers
  • Oil Cooler Lines

Managing Exhaust Emissions
  • Catalytic Converter
  • Air Injection Pump
  • Front O2 sensor
  • Rear O2 sensor
  • Coolant Temp Sensor (ECT)

Changing Gears
  • Clutch Pedal Assembly
  • Clutch Master Cylinder
  • Clutch Slave Cylinder
  • Clutch Fork
  • Release Bearing (Throwout Bearing, Release Collar)
  • Clutch Pressure Plate
  • Clutch Disc
  • Flywheel
  • Pilot Bearing
  • Transmission Shifter
  • Transmission Syncros

Bringing the Car to a Stop
  • Brake Pedal Assembly
  • Brake Master Cylinder
  • Brake Power Booster
  • ABS Junction Block
  • Brake Lines
  • Brake Fluid
  • Brake Calipers
  • Brake Pads
  • Brake Rotors

Providing Electrical Power
  • Battery
  • Alternator
  • Grounding Cables
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Old May 8, 2024 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by gwilliams6
Engine Power Loss
  • chokes as revs increase
    • O2 sensor failure (too rich)
    • MAF failure
    • MAF disconnected
    • e-shaft sensor fouled
    • accessory belt fraying
  • high end power loss (hard fuel cut)
    • Rev limit reached
  • high end power loss (jerky and stumbling)
    • Ignition failure
    • fuel pressure loss
    • e-shaft sensor fouled
  • high end power loss (smooth)
    • Catalytic converter clog
    • air filter clog
  • low end power loss (smooth)
    • Engine compression loss
  • low end power loss (stumbles)
    • Ignition failure
    • front O2 sensor failure
  • revs slowly but smoothly
    • O2 sensor failure (too lean)
    • catalytic converter clog
    • air filter clog
  • sudden power drop at a specific rpm
    • Intake valving actuation problem
  • trouble getting to redline
    • Ignition failure
    • front O2 sensor failure
    • catalytic converter clog
    • air filter clog
    • e-shaft sensor fouled
    • fuel pressure loss
    • MAF failure




Starting the Engine
  • Starter
  • Battery
  • Engine Compression
  • Grounding Wires
  • Ignition Coils
  • Spark Plugs
  • Spark Plug Wires
  • Fuel Pump
  • Fuel Injectors

Generating Power at Full Throttle
  • Ignition Coils
  • Spark Plugs
  • Spark Plug Wires
  • Engine Compression
  • E-Shaft Sensor (ESS)
  • Air Filter
  • Intake Valving
  • Throttle Body
  • Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF)
  • Fuel Pump
  • Fuel Injectors
  • Catalytic Converter (Cat)

Keeping the Engine at a Cruise
  • Ignition Coils
  • Spark Plugs
  • Spark Plug Wires
  • Engine Compression
  • E-Shaft Sensor (ESS)
  • Intake Valving
  • Throttle Body
  • Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF)
  • Fuel Pump
  • Fuel Injectors
  • Front O2 sensor
  • Catalytic Converter (Cat)

Keeping the Engine at an Idle
  • Ignition Coils
  • Spark Plugs
  • Spark Plug Wires
  • Engine Compression
  • E-Shaft Sensor (ESS)
  • Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF)
  • Front O2 sensor
  • Catalytic Converter (Cat)
  • Intake Vaccum

Managing Engine Heat
  • Radiator
  • Thermostat
  • Radiator fans
  • Water Pump
  • Coolant Lines
  • Coolant Temp Sensor (ECT)
  • Oil Coolers
  • Oil Cooler Lines
Spoiler
 
Managing Exhaust Emissions
  • Catalytic Converter
  • Air Injection Pump
  • Front O2 sensor
  • Rear O2 sensor
  • Coolant Temp Sensor (ECT)

Changing Gears
  • Clutch Pedal Assembly
  • Clutch Master Cylinder
  • Clutch Slave Cylinder
  • Clutch Fork
  • Release Bearing (Throwout Bearing, Release Collar)
  • Clutch Pressure Plate
  • Clutch Disc
  • Flywheel
  • Pilot Bearing
  • Transmission Shifter
  • Transmission Syncros

Bringing the Car to a Stop
  • Brake Pedal Assembly
  • Brake Master Cylinder
  • Brake Power Booster
  • ABS Junction Block
  • Brake Lines
  • Brake Fluid
  • Brake Calipers
  • Brake Pads
  • Brake Rotors

Providing Electrical Power
  • Battery
  • Alternator
  • Grounding Cables
Thank you so much for the information, It helped me.

Last edited by RileyPorter; May 20, 2024 at 02:35 AM.
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Old May 9, 2024 | 04:48 AM
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Were you able to find the issue and resolve the problem?
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Old May 10, 2024 | 12:15 AM
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You are most welcome, Cheers
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Old Dec 20, 2024 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mazdaverx7
Were you able to find the issue and resolve the problem?
Unsure if you're talking to me, but yes.

Fouled spark plugs (symptom I think, I'll update accordingly)

Busted and badly broken MAF sensor seal

Bad Secondary AIr Injection Vaccum solenoid

CEL is subsided for now, however, I'm currently doing drive cycle, and the car revs past 3k rpms safely. Seems to no longer pop as much, which is a con and win I guess lol. Will update as I know more but feels good, idle seems to be at like 1k-900 but shes feels fine, no blips I can sense, replacing ignition soon and hopeful it's just the cold.
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Old Dec 20, 2024 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by gwilliams6
Engine Power Loss
  • chokes as revs increase
    • O2 sensor failure (too rich)
    • MAF failure
    • MAF disconnected
    • e-shaft sensor fouled
    • accessory belt fraying
  • high end power loss (hard fuel cut)
    • Rev limit reached
  • high end power loss (jerky and stumbling)
    • Ignition failure
    • fuel pressure loss
    • e-shaft sensor fouled
  • high end power loss (smooth)
    • Catalytic converter clog
    • air filter clog
  • low end power loss (smooth)
    • Engine compression loss
  • low end power loss (stumbles)
    • Ignition failure
    • front O2 sensor failure
  • revs slowly but smoothly
    • O2 sensor failure (too lean)
    • catalytic converter clog
    • air filter clog
  • sudden power drop at a specific rpm
    • Intake valving actuation problem
  • trouble getting to redline
    • Ignition failure
    • front O2 sensor failure
    • catalytic converter clog
    • air filter clog
    • e-shaft sensor fouled
    • fuel pressure loss
    • MAF failure




Starting the Engine
  • Starter
  • Battery
  • Engine Compression
  • Grounding Wires
  • Ignition Coils
  • Spark Plugs
  • Spark Plug Wires
  • Fuel Pump
  • Fuel Injectors

Generating Power at Full Throttle
  • Ignition Coils
  • Spark Plugs
  • Spark Plug Wires
  • Engine Compression
  • E-Shaft Sensor (ESS)
  • Air Filter
  • Intake Valving
  • Throttle Body
  • Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF)
  • Fuel Pump
  • Fuel Injectors
  • Catalytic Converter (Cat)

Keeping the Engine at a Cruise
  • Ignition Coils
  • Spark Plugs
  • Spark Plug Wires
  • Engine Compression
  • E-Shaft Sensor (ESS)
  • Intake Valving
  • Throttle Body
  • Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF)
  • Fuel Pump
  • Fuel Injectors
  • Front O2 sensor
  • Catalytic Converter (Cat)

Keeping the Engine at an Idle
  • Ignition Coils
  • Spark Plugs
  • Spark Plug Wires
  • Engine Compression
  • E-Shaft Sensor (ESS)
  • Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF)
  • Front O2 sensor
  • Catalytic Converter (Cat)
  • Intake Vaccum

Managing Engine Heat
  • Radiator
  • Thermostat
  • Radiator fans
  • Water Pump
  • Coolant Lines
  • Coolant Temp Sensor (ECT)
  • Oil Coolers
  • Oil Cooler Lines

Managing Exhaust Emissions
  • Catalytic Converter
  • Air Injection Pump
  • Front O2 sensor
  • Rear O2 sensor
  • Coolant Temp Sensor (ECT)

Changing Gears
  • Clutch Pedal Assembly
  • Clutch Master Cylinder
  • Clutch Slave Cylinder
  • Clutch Fork
  • Release Bearing (Throwout Bearing, Release Collar)
  • Clutch Pressure Plate
  • Clutch Disc
  • Flywheel
  • Pilot Bearing
  • Transmission Shifter
  • Transmission Syncros

Bringing the Car to a Stop
  • Brake Pedal Assembly
  • Brake Master Cylinder
  • Brake Power Booster
  • ABS Junction Block
  • Brake Lines
  • Brake Fluid
  • Brake Calipers
  • Brake Pads
  • Brake Rotors

Providing Electrical Power
  • Battery
  • Alternator
  • Grounding Cables
Will be checking this list off soon, cheers for the excellent info. Real heroes don't wear capes, they just stink of 2-stroke haha
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