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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 02:03 PM
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Will the overseas owners get a chance to order ??
i have already e-mailed you.
Could you go into more detail as to cost ,i will be happy to get an extra 15hp out of my car understanding that the ECU in australia are different to USA.

Can you foresee any problems sending and appling your systems to overseas cars.

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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 03:18 PM
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I suspect that you are right, and that the gains might be less for you, as I hear you have an ECU map that is a bit better to start with.
Cost of the Stage1 kit is $500 US ( about $710 AUD$)

There should be no issue with using it. The wires might have to be a bit longer to fit into the dash area, as you are right hand drive, correct?

Usage and installation and net results would be exactly the same.

Shipping by Express Post would be cheapest, Fedex Air a bit more expensive, but quicker to get it to you.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by canzoomer
I suspect that you are right, and that the gains might be less for you, as I hear you have an ECU map that is a bit better to start with.
Cost of the Stage1 kit is $500 US ( about $710 AUD$)

There should be no issue with using it. The wires might have to be a bit longer to fit into the dash area, as you are right hand drive, correct?

Usage and installation and net results would be exactly the same.

Shipping by Express Post would be cheapest, Fedex Air a bit more expensive, but quicker to get it to you.
Thanks Maurice, great news , yes we are right hand drive here in australia , hang the expense FEDEX AIR SOUNDS GOOD.
Let me know when you are ready and we can finalize our deal .
I AM EXCITTED, 1ST IN AUSTRALIA WITH A CANZOOMER SPECIAL , HECK IT COULD BECOME A COLLECTORS ITEM. michael
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 05:29 PM
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As we are right hand drive here in australia will you be allowing for that in my order making the harness wiring longer and will that add to the cost ??

I am excited.

MICHAEL
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by Lock & Load
Canzoomer

As we are right hand drive here in australia will you be allowing for that in my order making the harness wiring longer and will that add to the cost ??

I am excited.

MICHAEL
Being human I might forget.

Therefore, when we do the final transaction it is a good idea to remind me!

It is not a cost issue. A bit of wire has little cost.

But, please DO remind me!
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 06:05 PM
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Thanks , on a lighter note i have sent a few funny lines to your email at harddata , man cannot live by hard work alone , hope you enjoy.

Michael
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 06:07 PM
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Forgive me if I missed it, since this thread is long..

But has canzoomer posted before and after dyno sheets? I'm curious to see the improvement.

Last edited by RX-Nut; Nov 8, 2003 at 07:03 PM.
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Old Nov 9, 2003 | 02:49 AM
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no he haven't yet. He will have it up when they put up their website
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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 05:22 PM
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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 09:02 PM
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Here's one take on the hp #'s.

In bikes, ram air can add 10+ hp at high speeds, but they give a baseline dyno AND estimates at speed.

However, the 8 doesn not have a "ram air" intake, so I'm talking out of my buttocks. :D
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Old Nov 23, 2003 | 11:00 PM
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Whew.....28 pages and 4.5 hours later...........my brain hurts!
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Old Nov 23, 2003 | 11:54 PM
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Worth the read tho, huh? :D
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by oosik
4.5 hours
wow, that's dedication!! *applause*
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 09:50 AM
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Well I first read this thread when it first started and only had a few replies and ogt interested in other threads and never kept up...until last night when i heard more about CanZoomers mod. Seeing there isn't a seperate thread about it, i had no choice but to read thru the whole thing to understand.

Understood a lot, didn't understand other things, but very educational. Canzoomer, figured him to be a smart d00d in other threads.....but this.....sheer nutz what he's doing. I'm flabergasted(my $.50 word for the day)!

besides, i'm a slow reader!
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 12:08 PM
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just curious some of you that did do the dyno what results did you get _ _ _bhp?
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 06:23 PM
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Don't think anyone's got it yet... look for results in the next coupla weeks, he's shipping the first batch out soon...
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Old Nov 26, 2003 | 07:31 PM
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Old Nov 28, 2003 | 10:53 AM
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Wow.. just read all this too. I'm excited for you guys!!

Should have my RX-8 in a couple of weeks, and will be interested to see if the Australia cars get a decent result from this mod as well, since we're running the same ECUs. Will probably place my order as well if it makes a big difference!

Good work Mr Zoomer!


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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 03:31 AM
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Thought I'd check in here since I just finished reading all 28 pages! Except for the occasional straying OT this has been a very informative thread.
Originally posted by canzoomer
1) At 4,000 to 6,000rpm the stock ECU map is very lean, so we can not get you more mileage there.
That makes sense.
At 80mph, in 6th, you are over 4,000rpm.
So, forget about highway cruising mileage changing much , if at all.
But what about those of us who cruise at legal speeds of 65-70mph (3250-3500 rpm)? If the stock ECU is rich up to nearly 4000 rpm should we not see an mpg improvement along with the hp?
What you will gain mostly is around town, going through the gears.
That would be very welcome indeed! I don't quite follow the next bit though.
IF you shift all the time below 3500rpm, you will not gain either. But then you should be getting 18-21mpg now.
If you keep the revs below 3500 rpm (hard to do!) in normal driving you are operating in a rich range, no? Does your map not lean this range down? This would logically seem to be good for mileage.

I will definitely be buying one of your stage 1 kits after I receive this year's income tax refund! Thanks for the great work and for keeping us all informed.
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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 07:58 AM
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got to page 15 and my eyes started to hurt, sorry had to skip to the last page. Can someone please just fill me in on what stage canzoomer is up to now? make it short!! Thanks. All will this addon work for the UK market?
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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 09:41 AM
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check out his dedicated segment of the vendors forum and you should be able to get all the info
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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by bobclevenger
[B] I don't quite follow the next bit though. If you keep the revs below 3500 rpm (hard to do!) in normal driving you are operating in a rich range, no? Does your map not lean this range down? This would logically seem to be good for mileage.
Generally speaking less airflow means lighter fuel injection duty cycle, so less fuel used.
Also, driving like that i am assuming little gas pedal, so also lower consumption.

Kind of like driving a truckload of eggs ( or your grandparents).
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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by canzoomer
Generally speaking less airflow means lighter fuel injection duty cycle, so less fuel used.
That seems logical.
Also, driving like that i am assuming little gas pedal, so also lower consumption.
True -- or just cruising at legal speeds in 6th gear using cruise control.

Kind of like driving a truckload of eggs ( or your grandparents).
True enough -- and there are times for this as well as times to just have fun with it. And my grandparents haven't done much driving since they died.

So, does your improved fuel map address the rich mixture at
0-4000 rpm? I hope I remembered that rpm range correctly.
Don't get me wrong -- what has been described is great and reason enough to buy one. I am trying an uncontrolled experiment -- I am going to try to keep the revs above 4000 for a tank of gas and see if the mileage improves or at least stays the same.
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Old Dec 5, 2003 | 02:46 AM
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OK, final ( I think) setup is now done.

We were working hard to get some more power down lower in the rev range, while not sacrificing gas mileage.

It was easy to make more HP up high over 6K, but the thing is that I felt it is not all that useful, except in a drag race, while shifting at 9K.

I think we now have it nailed.

We have managed to move a healthy kick down to 5K, steady hard push above that to redline, while keeping below 5K cheap on gas.

It now feels a LOT like a turbo coming on when you hit 5,000rpm.
We set this tune up on both my car, with stock exhaust, and his car with a Borla on it, so we could compare.

I can definitely say that this works REALLY well with the Borla, as his car now makes noticeably more power than mine.

I took his car for a quick night test run after we installed, and I could readily break the tires loose in and out of traction just with modulating the throttle, in 3rd gear.

In 1st and 2nd I had to be very careful to avoid ending up going sideways and smoking the tires.

On mine with the stock exhaust I can still break it free in 1st and 2nd pretty easily, but 3rd is not as noticeable.

StealthTL has been running if for a couple of days now.

His report is at:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=15950
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Old Dec 5, 2003 | 02:58 AM
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Canzoomer, this is really exciting news! Can you kindly let me know how different is your setup from the JDM spec?

Mine currently chirps 1-2 shifts with the DSC on, and 2-3 shifts with DSC off. Theres no hesitation at the various rev points that some are experiencing currently.
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