Rotarygod and Brillo's Sevenstock 8 Blog
10-10-2005, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Nemesis8
You have the one opportunity to go dino to synth, but you can never go back, right? So, for all those taking this path, be prepared. You do not want to find yourself out in the middle of a road trip, and run out of synth, with no where to buy it.
10-10-2005, 09:58 AM
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Had an awesome time Saturday. This was my first SS, but it definitely won't be my last!Hanging out with RG, Ajax, Dazy, Brillo, and Photic made for really good times. I learned alot! It was a treat to get to meet some of our TX contingent. Dazy is my new hero: booking a flight at midnight on Thursday to come out just for SS8 on a complete whim!! Another highlight: meeting Zoom44 and his lovely wife. Still another: meeting Richard Paul. I mean, we go for the rotaries and it's the most amazing site I've ever seen - morning lineup all around the block, ALL those 7s, old school rotaries, spectacular racing machines - but, for me, getting to meet some of the people I've spoken with online is just the best. Thanks to Bern, Dan, and crew for a great event!
10-10-2005, 10:29 AM
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Next year I guess I need to stay at the Hotel of choice. I stayed with my relatives in S0. Cal. so I missed the greatest chance of meeting the forum regulars. Tried to meet some of the requlars on Saturday with no luck. I did meet a lot of great people but non of the forum regulars. This was my first S/S but not my last. Maybe next year I can put faces with those names.
10-10-2005, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by r0tor
wherever you found that little piece of synthetic myth, please destroy it...
That's why I said, ...right?
Originally Posted by Nemesis8
You have the one opportunity to go dino to synth, but you can never go back, right?
I'm really not sure where I heard or read that, but it might have been here on this forum. My non-Mazda mechanic has been trying to get me to go AmsOil Synth now for quite awhile. He is origianlly from Puerto Rico, and he said that all the race rotary engines he has built, he used AmsOil Synth in them with great success.
One day I will convert...
10-10-2005, 06:26 PM
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Back home. Damn that got over quick.
The event itself seemed about the size of SS7 but there weren't nearly as many people staying at the Hilton. That was alot of fun last year. You had a whole rotary show right outside the hotel room.
The event itself seemed about the size of SS7 but there weren't nearly as many people staying at the Hilton. That was alot of fun last year. You had a whole rotary show right outside the hotel room.
10-10-2005, 06:31 PM
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Same for me, I talked with a lot of people but, didn't meet anyone from the forums. I'll have to spring to stay in the Hotel of choice instead of with family next year.
Originally Posted by Phil@desertboilers.com
Next year I guess I need to stay at the Hotel of choice. I stayed with my relatives in S0. Cal. so I missed the greatest chance of meeting the forum regulars. Tried to meet some of the requlars on Saturday with no luck. I did meet a lot of great people but non of the forum regulars. This was my first S/S but not my last. Maybe next year I can put faces with those names.
10-10-2005, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
Ok here's the official scoop on the oil issue. As I said earlier, I asked the highest people on the planet when it comes to rotaries. First I'll start with Rick Engman's position as he built all of the engine's for Downing. I looked at Rick and just quite simply said, "synthetic oils". His response was, "I wouldn't use anything but synthetic oil in a rotary". Thankyou Mr. Engman! All of Downing's race cars use Valvoline synthetic. He said it doesn't matter if it is a race engine or not. I also told Mr. Engman that many people say you only use synthetics in a rotary because it gets rebult all the time and that it doesn't matter what happens to these engines. I can't post what his opinion are of these people! He did say their engines get 100 RACE hours of use between rebuilds. The Courage is using experimental engine parts that were last used in the 80's and 90's! They care more about the longevity of the engine on a race car than a street car so some people's logic is VERY flawwed.
Now onto Mazda's position on synthetics since I know that the opinion of the smartest rotary person in the U.S. isn't good enough for some people. As I stated earlier, I asked the head of rotary engine development for the past 30 years at Mazda. He designed and built the 787B engine too. In very broken english he told me that not all synthetics are created equal. some are better than others when it comes to mixing with fuel in the oil metering system. The oil metering system is the key. It is NOT with swelling seals. He said that because some oils work very well and others not as well, it is far easier to just officially say not to use them than to say which ones to use and not to. This has actually been speculated for a long time and now we know it's true. I asked which synthetic oils he does not like. the answer is very surprising. The worst synthetic oil for the rotary according to the smartest rotary engine person in the world is Mobil 1. At least Valvoline and Royal Purple are fine. Didn't get any others listed. Rick Engman did say that decades ago there was an issue with some swelling of seals with old synthetic formulations but these have long since been resolved.
To all the people who keep getting on my case and others for using Royal Purple, WE'VE BEEN THE CORRECT ONE'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Yes you can switch back and forth between oil's if you absolutely have to.
Now onto Mazda's position on synthetics since I know that the opinion of the smartest rotary person in the U.S. isn't good enough for some people. As I stated earlier, I asked the head of rotary engine development for the past 30 years at Mazda. He designed and built the 787B engine too. In very broken english he told me that not all synthetics are created equal. some are better than others when it comes to mixing with fuel in the oil metering system. The oil metering system is the key. It is NOT with swelling seals. He said that because some oils work very well and others not as well, it is far easier to just officially say not to use them than to say which ones to use and not to. This has actually been speculated for a long time and now we know it's true. I asked which synthetic oils he does not like. the answer is very surprising. The worst synthetic oil for the rotary according to the smartest rotary engine person in the world is Mobil 1. At least Valvoline and Royal Purple are fine. Didn't get any others listed. Rick Engman did say that decades ago there was an issue with some swelling of seals with old synthetic formulations but these have long since been resolved.
To all the people who keep getting on my case and others for using Royal Purple, WE'VE BEEN THE CORRECT ONE'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Yes you can switch back and forth between oil's if you absolutely have to.
-Bern
10-10-2005, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by phee
Had an awesome time Saturday. This was my first SS, but it definitely won't be my last!Hanging out with RG, Ajax, Dazy, Brillo, and Photic made for really good times. I learned alot! It was a treat to get to meet some of our TX contingent. Dazy is my new hero: booking a flight at midnight on Thursday to come out just for SS8 on a complete whim!! Another highlight: meeting Zoom44 and his lovely wife. Still another: meeting Richard Paul. I mean, we go for the rotaries and it's the most amazing site I've ever seen - morning lineup all around the block, ALL those 7s, old school rotaries, spectacular racing machines - but, for me, getting to meet some of the people I've spoken with online is just the best. Thanks to Bern, Dan, and crew for a great event!
-Bern
10-10-2005, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
Back home. Damn that got over quick.
The event itself seemed about the size of SS7 but there weren't nearly as many people staying at the Hilton. That was alot of fun last year. You had a whole rotary show right outside the hotel room.
The event itself seemed about the size of SS7 but there weren't nearly as many people staying at the Hilton. That was alot of fun last year. You had a whole rotary show right outside the hotel room.
-Bern
10-10-2005, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bern
This the kind of sh*%t that one can only get at SevenStock... you could've asked Jim Mederer of RB too... but you guys could've asked me this ages ago and been done with it!!! Silly kids!
-Bern
-Bern
10-10-2005, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
The problem with that was that if it wasn't an actual Mazda rotary engine designer from Japan, a few people still weren't going to be happy with the answer. Many of us have known this for a long time. Who better to confirm it though than the top rotary engine person in the world!
-Bern
10-10-2005, 08:22 PM
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looked at my upper intake manifold when topping off the oil on the way home. decided it really is the same on the 2006 6AT. but my washer fluid bottle is black and the one on that car was white and not opaque.
10-10-2005, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ZoomZoomH
from that intake manifold i can safely say the new automatic 8 still uses the 4-port engine
thanks for answering that mystery! :D
thanks for answering that mystery! :D
im serious go look at yours or mine or any other hi power
10-10-2005, 10:02 PM
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Definitely a six port. I also saw it close up. One of the Mazda people who drove it inside told me that it drives much more impressively with this new trans and gets better fuel mileage too. Nice seeing and meeting a lot of you guys. Good night all!
10-10-2005, 11:23 PM
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My final thoughts on Sevenstock 8
What a weekend, between SS8 and Texas beating Oklahoma, prolly the best weekend I’ve had in a long time. Here are my final thoughts on the event, the weekend, what we learned and other random musings.
First off, what a first class event, hats off to Bern, the Socal RX Club, Mazda and all the folks that made this happen. Very impressed with the organization, facilities, venue, show, guests etc….would be worth it even for a $50 entry fee.
The guest stars of the show, Kobi, Yamato, Yamaguchi, Rich Engman, Paul Thomas, Jim Downing, Jim Langer, Jim Merder and anyone else I missed are some of the most down to earth folks you can meet. Very genuine, approachable, loved to answer questions, and we quite visibly humbled to be there and see the love an interest in the rotary engine. They really are people like us. Watching Kobi observes all the cars driving in was interesting, I wish I could know what was going through his head when he saw his creations lined up around the block.
I don’t think Most people realize how much of an R&D shop Racing Beat is for both Mazda and other companies. I thought they were a “parts shop” that did R&D, but in reality they are a R&D company that happens to make speed parts. You can see the R&D mentality in the quality of the design and research that goes into there parts for their cars. Mazda quite literally drops cars and boxes of parts off and says fix it, break it, tune it, etc…
We did here that we should all tune in to the Detroit autoshow this year for something exciting, my guess is the Mazdaspeed8 but I have nothing to back that up with other than conjecture on my part.
The 2006 automatic RX8 gets the HP motor with a 6speed auto, no word on power figures but the current guesses in the 212 range are prolly right. Galaxy Grey is a sweet color, I like it better than the titanium grey (which is a nice color). The leather for 2006 is a better quality also.
Rotarygod did in my opinion, settle the synthetic oil debate in my mind once and for all after speaking to Rick Engman and Mazda’s head of rotary engine design. Synthetic is fine, it won’t rot the seals or open a portal to the netherworld, it turns out, as started before, most dino oils are created equal in terms of components, but synthetics can vary widely in terms of components and performance. Mazda didn’t want to test all possible synthetic’s, so it was easier and cheaper to just recommend dino oil.
Socal has more FD’s than I could imagine, if you want one, I suggest you go there to buy. There was a guy for Norway to came to the show and is shipping 3 of them back.
I don’t like Lambo doors on RX’s
The weather in Socal almost justifies everything else I don’t like about California
Mazdatrix is a great shop, they really know how to do a quality rebuild and Dan and his folks are a great source of information.
Damon (sorry Damon I didn’t get your last name) is the guy in charge of RX8 development at Racing Beat, has the coolest job on earth and is a really nice guy.
Ryan Scott’s cigars can be smelled in the car behind him while traveling down a road.
The breweries in Socal are pretty good, and there are a lot which is nice for trying new beers.
The Mazdaspeed3 will be a turbo but front wheel drive. I posted the pic of the hood that was lying around.
Peeling out of Sevenstock is not a good idea. (ask those who met the cops about it)
Bern’s car did a whopping 52whp on a dyno (1st gen with 210K original miles), I think my friends Vespa can beat that :D
The Renesis intermediate housing is a bitch to improve. I finally saw, touched, took apart, and photographed the center exhaust port. Improvements can be made, but that port is an issue from a velocity standpoint.
The axial flow supercharger is so small it might be the first supercharger to mount in a glove box :D
Scott and Christy from Mazsport are really nice and I have even more faith in Scott's product and his determination to deliver a quality product to his customers.
The White "underground" Mazdaspeed8 from Speed Magazine was actually a 4port motor with a Eaton90 S/C and 6spd manual. it did in the neighborhood of 263BHP (on a brake dyno).
The blue Mazdaspeed car seen last year at SS7 was actually not fitted with a turbo at the time it was shown, but had a mocked up intercooler. it was eventually tested with a turbo similar to the greddy setup and did about 317BHP (on a brake dyno)
Dodge Neon’s are the only car I am aware of that get slower when you give them more gas. I think our torque converter was full of peanut butter.
It was great to meet all you guys that were there, I'll definitely be back next year.
What a weekend, between SS8 and Texas beating Oklahoma, prolly the best weekend I’ve had in a long time. Here are my final thoughts on the event, the weekend, what we learned and other random musings.
First off, what a first class event, hats off to Bern, the Socal RX Club, Mazda and all the folks that made this happen. Very impressed with the organization, facilities, venue, show, guests etc….would be worth it even for a $50 entry fee.
The guest stars of the show, Kobi, Yamato, Yamaguchi, Rich Engman, Paul Thomas, Jim Downing, Jim Langer, Jim Merder and anyone else I missed are some of the most down to earth folks you can meet. Very genuine, approachable, loved to answer questions, and we quite visibly humbled to be there and see the love an interest in the rotary engine. They really are people like us. Watching Kobi observes all the cars driving in was interesting, I wish I could know what was going through his head when he saw his creations lined up around the block.
I don’t think Most people realize how much of an R&D shop Racing Beat is for both Mazda and other companies. I thought they were a “parts shop” that did R&D, but in reality they are a R&D company that happens to make speed parts. You can see the R&D mentality in the quality of the design and research that goes into there parts for their cars. Mazda quite literally drops cars and boxes of parts off and says fix it, break it, tune it, etc…
We did here that we should all tune in to the Detroit autoshow this year for something exciting, my guess is the Mazdaspeed8 but I have nothing to back that up with other than conjecture on my part.
The 2006 automatic RX8 gets the HP motor with a 6speed auto, no word on power figures but the current guesses in the 212 range are prolly right. Galaxy Grey is a sweet color, I like it better than the titanium grey (which is a nice color). The leather for 2006 is a better quality also.
Rotarygod did in my opinion, settle the synthetic oil debate in my mind once and for all after speaking to Rick Engman and Mazda’s head of rotary engine design. Synthetic is fine, it won’t rot the seals or open a portal to the netherworld, it turns out, as started before, most dino oils are created equal in terms of components, but synthetics can vary widely in terms of components and performance. Mazda didn’t want to test all possible synthetic’s, so it was easier and cheaper to just recommend dino oil.
Socal has more FD’s than I could imagine, if you want one, I suggest you go there to buy. There was a guy for Norway to came to the show and is shipping 3 of them back.
I don’t like Lambo doors on RX’s
The weather in Socal almost justifies everything else I don’t like about California
Mazdatrix is a great shop, they really know how to do a quality rebuild and Dan and his folks are a great source of information.
Damon (sorry Damon I didn’t get your last name) is the guy in charge of RX8 development at Racing Beat, has the coolest job on earth and is a really nice guy.
Ryan Scott’s cigars can be smelled in the car behind him while traveling down a road.
The breweries in Socal are pretty good, and there are a lot which is nice for trying new beers.
The Mazdaspeed3 will be a turbo but front wheel drive. I posted the pic of the hood that was lying around.
Peeling out of Sevenstock is not a good idea. (ask those who met the cops about it)
Bern’s car did a whopping 52whp on a dyno (1st gen with 210K original miles), I think my friends Vespa can beat that :D
The Renesis intermediate housing is a bitch to improve. I finally saw, touched, took apart, and photographed the center exhaust port. Improvements can be made, but that port is an issue from a velocity standpoint.
The axial flow supercharger is so small it might be the first supercharger to mount in a glove box :D
Scott and Christy from Mazsport are really nice and I have even more faith in Scott's product and his determination to deliver a quality product to his customers.
The White "underground" Mazdaspeed8 from Speed Magazine was actually a 4port motor with a Eaton90 S/C and 6spd manual. it did in the neighborhood of 263BHP (on a brake dyno).
The blue Mazdaspeed car seen last year at SS7 was actually not fitted with a turbo at the time it was shown, but had a mocked up intercooler. it was eventually tested with a turbo similar to the greddy setup and did about 317BHP (on a brake dyno)
Dodge Neon’s are the only car I am aware of that get slower when you give them more gas. I think our torque converter was full of peanut butter.
It was great to meet all you guys that were there, I'll definitely be back next year.
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10-11-2005, 11:33 AM
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It was great to meet all you guys that were there, I'll definitely be back next year.
Glad you at least liked our weather, Alan
10-11-2005, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by phee
Bern said on the other site he hadn't heard anything about an SS9. I swear we heard that like twice on Saturday, and it would appear you're under the same impression, yes?
Glad you at least liked our weather, Alan
Glad you at least liked our weather, Alan
10-11-2005, 01:23 PM
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Just take a look at the description for the Seven Stock Forum:
"The Final Sevenstock hosted at Mazda is here!"
Hope they continue it next year
"The Final Sevenstock hosted at Mazda is here!"
Hope they continue it next year
10-11-2005, 01:53 PM
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Apparently Mazda has a grey Turbo'd RX8 that they are testing, and it was apparently at Mazda R&D on friday, I was talking with someone at Dromo1 about it, but I'm terrible with names.
Anyone see it?
Anyone see it?
