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Old 04-06-2013, 07:29 PM
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Flashing Oil Light

2010 R3, was teaching gf to drive stick...wasn't going brilliantly (ran the gambit of stalls, bucking and wheel spins)

After about 20 minute or so the oil level light started blinking. (no beep like when oil level is low).

Stopped and checked oil-looks good, pretty much at full. Changed by Mazda dealer about 1k ago.

Light goes away after restarting,

Decided to check the manual and it read that when the light continuously flashes to not drive vehicle hard and get it checked by dealer. Noted that if vehicle restarted while flashing due to malfunction it may take the light a few minutes to start flashing again

Drove it on 3 short trips after that (5ish min), no light.

Thoughts?
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Old 04-06-2013, 07:34 PM
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Yes, be careful and monitor it very, very closely. Keep an eye on the level often.
I'm hoping your girl, just didn't like the other girl attempting to tell her what to do and abusing her
Don't let the GF try it again for awhile.
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From the OEM documentation, oil light only flashes on an OMP problem. Scroll down about 2/3rds, I highlighted the rows.
Code:
DTC    	      	Condition                                              	MIL     	AltL	DC    	Monitor*1                     	SelfTest*2	Mem
2009MY 	2008MY	                                                       	        	  	      	                              	        	   
B1342  	N/A   	PCM malfunction                                        	—       	— 	—     	—                             	C, O    	—  
P0030  	←     	A/F sensor heater control circuit problem              	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor heater, HO2S heater	C       	  
P0031  	←     	A/F sensor heater control circuit low input            	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor heater, HO2S heater	C, O, R 	  
P0032  	←     	A/F sensor heater control circuit high input           	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor heater, HO2S heater	C, R    	  
P0037  	←     	HO2S heater control circuit low input                  	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor heater, HO2S heater	C, O, R 	  
P0038  	←     	HO2S heater control circuit high input                 	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor heater, HO2S heater	C, R    	  
P0076*5	←     	VDI solenoid valve control circuit low input           	OFF     	— 	2     	Other                         	C, O, R 	  
P0077*5	←     	VDI solenoid valve control circuit high input          	OFF     	— 	2     	Other                         	C       	  
P0101  	←     	MAF sensor circuit range/performance problem           	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C       	  
P0102  	←     	MAF sensor circuit low input                           	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, R    	  
P0103  	←     	MAF sensor circuit high input                          	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0107  	←     	BARO sensor circuit low input                          	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0108  	←     	BARO sensor circuit high input                         	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0111  	←     	IAT sensor circuit range/performance problem           	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C       	  
P0112  	←     	IAT sensor circuit low input                           	ON      	ON	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0113  	←     	IAT sensor circuit high input                          	ON      	ON	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0116  	←     	ECT sensor circuit range/performance problem           	ON      	— 	2     	Engine cooling system         	C       	  
P0117  	←     	ECT sensor circuit low input                           	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0118  	←     	ECT sensor circuit high input                          	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0122  	←     	TP sensor No.1 circuit low input                       	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0123  	←     	TP sensor No.1 circuit high input                      	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0125  	←     	Insuff coolant temperature for closed loop             	ON      	— 	2     	Engine cooling system         	C       	  
P0126  	←     	Insufficient coolant temperature for stable operation  	ON      	— 	2     	Thermostat                    	C       	  
P0130  	←     	A/F sensor circuit problem                             	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor, HO2S              	C, R    	  
P0131  	←     	A/F sensor circuit low input                           	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor, HO2S              	C, R    	  
P0132  	←     	A/F sensor circuit high input                          	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor, HO2S              	C, R    	  
P0133  	←     	A/F sensor circuit slow response                       	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor, HO2S              	C       	  
P0134  	←     	A/F sensor no activity detected                        	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor, HO2S              	C, R    	  
P0137  	←     	HO2S circuit low input                                 	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor, HO2S              	C       	  
P0138  	←     	HO2S circuit high input                                	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor, HO2S              	C, O, R 	  
P0139  	←     	HO2S circuit slow response                             	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor, HO2S              	C       	  
P0171  	←     	System too lean                                        	ON      	— 	2     	Fuel system                   	C, R    	  
P0172  	←     	System too rich                                        	ON      	— 	2     	Fuel system                   	C, R    	  
P0222  	←     	TP sensor No.2 circuit low input                       	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0223  	←     	TP sensor No.2 circuit high input                      	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0300  	←     	Random misfire detected                                	Flash/ON	— 	1 or 2	Misfire                       	C       	  
P0301  	←     	Front rotor misfire detected                           	Flash/ON	— 	1 or 2	Misfire                       	C       	  
P0302  	←     	Rear rotor misfire detected                            	Flash/ON	— 	1 or 2	Misfire                       	C       	  
P0327  	←     	KS No.1 circuit low input                              	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0328  	←     	KS No.1 circuit high input                             	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0332  	N/A   	KS No.2 circuit low input                              	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0333  	N/A   	KS No.2 circuit high input                             	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0335  	←     	Eccentric shaft position sensor circuit problem        	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C       	  
P0336  	←     	ESS circuit range/perf. problem                        	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, R    	  
P0410  	←     	Secondary air injection system problem                 	ON      	— 	2     	AIR system                    	C, R    	  
P0411  	←     	Secondary air injection system incorrect upstream flow 	ON      	— 	2     	AIR system                    	C       	  
P0420  	←     	Catalyst system efficiency below threshold             	ON      	— 	2     	Catalyst                      	C       	  
P0441  	←     	EVAP system incorrect purge flow                       	ON      	— 	2     	EVAP system                   	C, R    	  
P0442  	←     	EVAP system leak detected (small leak)                 	ON      	— 	2     	EVAP system                   	C, R    	  
P0443  	←     	Purge solenoid valve circuit problem                   	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0446  	←     	EVAP system vent control circuit problem               	ON      	— 	2     	EVAP system                   	C, R    	  
P0455  	←     	EVAP system leak detected (large leak)                 	ON      	— 	2     	EVAP system                   	C       	  
P0456*3	←     	EVAP system leak detected (very small leak)            	ON      	— 	2     	EVAP system                   	C       	  
P0461  	←     	Fuel gauge sender unit  circuit range/perf problem     	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C       	  
P0462  	←     	Fuel gauge sender unit (main) circuit low input        	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C, R    	  
P0463  	←     	Fuel gauge sender unit (main) circuit high input       	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C, R    	  
P0480  	←     	Cooling fan relay No.1 control circuit problem         	OFF     	— 	2     	Other                         	C, O, R 	  
P0481  	←     	Cooling fan relay No.2 and No.3 control circuit problem	OFF     	— 	2     	Other                         	C, O, R 	  
P0482  	N/A   	Cooling fan relay No.4 and No.5 control circuit problem	OFF     	— 	2     	Other                         	C, O, R 	  
P0500  	←     	VSS circuit problem                                    	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C       	  
P0505  	←     	Idle air control system problem                        	OFF     	— 	—     	—                             	R       	—  
P0506  	←     	Idle air control system RPM lower than expected        	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C       	  
P0507  	←     	Idle air control system RPM higher than expected       	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C       	  
P050A  	←     	Cold start idle air control system performance         	ON      	— 	2     	CSERS                         	C       	  
P0522  	N/A   	Oil pressure sensor low input                          	OFF     	— 	1     	Other                         	C, O, R 	  
P0523  	N/A   	Oil pressure sensor high input                         	OFF     	— 	1     	Other                         	C, O, R 	  
P0562  	←     	System voltage low (KAM)                               	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0564  	←     	Cruise control switch input circuit problem            	OFF     	— 	1     	Other                         	C, O, R 	  
P0571  	←     	Brake switch input circuit problem                     	OFF     	— 	1     	Other                         	C, O, R 	  
P0601  	←     	PCM memory check sum error                             	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0602  	←     	PCM programming error                                  	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0604  	←     	PCM random access memory error                         	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0606  	N/A   	PCM processor error                                    	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0610  	←     	PCM vehicle configuration error                        	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0638  	←     	Throttle actuator control circuit range/perfe problem  	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C       	  
P0661  	←     	SSV solenoid valve control circuit low                 	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P0662  	←     	SSV solenoid valve control circuit high                	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C       	  
P0703  	←     	Brake switch input circuit problem                     	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C       	  
P0704*4	←     	CPP switch input circuit problem                       	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C       	  
P0850*4	←     	Neutral switch input circuit problem                   	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C       	  
P1260  	←     	Immobilizer system problem                             	OFF     	— 	1     	Other                         	C, O    	—  
P1680  	N/A   	OCV circuit low input                                  	OFF*6   	— 	1     	Other                         	C, O, R 	  
P1681  	N/A   	OCV circuit high input                                 	OFF*6   	— 	1     	Other                         	C, O, R 	  
P1682  	N/A   	Metering oil pump No.1 circuit low input               	OFF*6   	— 	1     	Other                         	C, R    	  
P1683  	N/A   	Metering oil pump No.1 circuit high input              	OFF*6   	— 	1     	Other                         	C, R    	  
P1684  	N/A   	OMP oil pressure sensor –oil pressure low              	OFF*6   	— 	1     	Other                         	C       	  
P1685  	N/A   	OMP oil pres sensor oil pressure high                  	OFF*6   	— 	1     	Other                         	C       	  
P1686  	←     	Metering oil pump No.2 circuit low input               	OFF*6   	— 	1     	Other                         	C, R    	  
P1687  	←     	Metering oil pump No.2 circuit high input              	OFF*6   	— 	1     	Other                         	C, R    	  
N/A    	P1688 	Metering oil pump control circuit initial check problem	ON      	— 	1     	Other                         	C, R    	  
P2004  	←     	APV stuck open (No.1)                                  	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P2005  	N/A   	APV stuck open (No.2)                                  	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
N/A    	P2006 	APV motor control circuit IC problem                   	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C       	  
P2009  	←     	APV motor control circuit low input                    	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P2010  	←     	APV motor control circuit high input                   	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
N/A    	P2016 	APV position sensor circuit problem low input          	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
N/A    	P2017 	APV position sensor circuit problem                    	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P2067  	←     	Fuel gauge sender unit (sub) circuit low input         	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C, R    	  
P2068  	←     	Fuel gauge sender unit (sub) circuit high input        	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C, R    	  
P2070  	←     	SSV stuck open                                         	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P2096  	←     	Target A/F feedback system too lean                    	ON      	— 	2     	Fuel system                   	C       	  
P2097  	←     	Target A/F feedback system too rich                    	ON      	— 	2     	Fuel system                   	C       	  
P2101  	N/A   	Throttle actuator circuit range/performance            	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C       	  
N/A    	P2102 	Throttle actuator power supply line circuit low input  	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
N/A    	P2103 	Throttle actuator power supply line circuit high input 	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
N/A    	P2106 	Throttle actuator control system–forced limited power  	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C       	  
P2107  	←     	Throttle actuator control module processor error       	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P2108  	←     	Throttle actuator control module performance error     	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P2109  	←     	TP sensor minimum stop range/performance problem       	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P2112  	←     	Throttle actuator control system range/perf problem    	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P2119  	←     	Throttle actuator control rng/perf problem             	ON      	— 	2     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P2122  	←     	APP sensor No.1 circuit low input                      	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P2123  	←     	APP sensor No.1 circuit high input                     	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P2127  	←     	APP sensor No.2 circuit low input                      	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P2128  	←     	APP sensor No.2 circuit high input                     	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P2135  	←     	TP sensor No.1/No.2 voltage correlation problem        	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
N/A    	P2136 	TP sensor No.1/No.3 voltage correlation problem        	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P2138  	←     	APP sensor No.1/No.2 voltage correlation problem       	ON      	— 	1     	CCM                           	C, O, R 	  
P2195  	←     	A/F sensor signal stuck lean                           	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor, HO2S              	C       	  
P2196  	←     	A/F sensor signal stuck rich                           	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor, HO2S              	C       	  
P2257  	←     	AIR pump relay control circuit low                     	ON      	— 	2     	AIR system                    	C, O, R 	  
P2258  	←     	AIR pump relay control circuit high                    	ON      	— 	2     	AIR system                    	C, R    	  
P2259  	←     	AIR solenoid valve control circuit low                 	ON      	— 	2     	AIR system                    	C, O, R 	  
P2260  	←     	AIR solenoid valve control circuit high                	ON      	— 	2     	AIR system                    	C, R    	  
P2270  	←     	HO2S signal stuck lean                                 	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor, HO2S              	C       	  
P2271  	←     	HO2S signal stuck rich                                 	ON      	— 	2     	A/F sensor, HO2S              	C       	  
P2401  	←     	EVAP system leak detection pump control circuit low    	ON      	— 	2     	EVAP system                   	C, R    	  
P2402  	←     	EVAP system leak detection pump control circuit high   	ON      	— 	2     	EVAP system                   	C, R    	  
P2404  	←     	EVAP leak circuit range/perf problem                   	ON      	— 	2     	EVAP system                   	C, R    	  
P2405  	←     	EVAP system leak detection pump sense circuit low      	ON      	— 	2     	EVAP system                   	C, R    	  
P2407  	←     	EVAP leak circuit erratic problem                      	ON      	— 	2     	EVAP system                   	C, R    	  
P2502  	←     	Charging system voltage problem                        	OFF     	ON	1     	Other                         	C, R    	  
P2503  	←     	Charging system voltage low                            	OFF     	ON	1     	Other                         	C, R    	  
P2504  	←     	Charging system voltage high                           	OFF     	ON	1     	Other                         	C, R    	
*1 Indicates the applicable item in the On‐Board System Readiness Test as defined by CARB.
*2 C: CMDTC self test, O: KOEO self test, R: KOER self test
*3 California emission regulation applicable model
*4 MT
*5 13B-MSP (high power)
*6 Oil level warning light flashes

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i'd reset codes and see if it comes back. OMPs are quite spendy... unless you can find a good used one.

Edit: This is a Series II, completely different MOP's to any other RX- made before by MMC...ASH8
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Perhaps it captured the condition while stalling?
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If your OMP goes sour I'll sell you my used spare.
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Originally Posted by Karack View Post
i'd reset codes and see if it comes back. OMPs are quite spendy... unless you can find a good used one.
Ah, Series 2 EMOP's, the two of them are all new and never used before, entirely different than any other rotary, I have known of no failures, yet.
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Originally Posted by xfz View Post
2010 R3, was teaching gf to drive stick...wasn't going brilliantly (ran the gambit of stalls, bucking and wheel spins)

After about 20 minute or so the oil level light started blinking. (no beep like when oil level is low).

Stopped and checked oil-looks good, pretty much at full. Changed by Mazda dealer about 1k ago.

Light goes away after restarting,

Decided to check the manual and it read that when the light continuously flashes to not drive vehicle hard and get it checked by dealer. Noted that if vehicle restarted while flashing due to malfunction it may take the light a few minutes to start flashing again

Drove it on 3 short trips after that (5ish min), no light.

Thoughts?
Is your 2010 still under warranty?

I suggest it is 'blinking' because oil level is low, even though it was changed 1000k ago.

You know Rotaries are meant to use oil and requires topping up regularly?.

Checking oil quickly (side of road) is not the correct procedure, get car on flat level surface, 5 minutes AFTER engine turn off, check oil level.

If a blinker persists, then go back to a Dealer and or get codes read, IF they exist see RIWWP post.

EMOP's in Series II have not been known to give issues...at all...yet.
Could be OCV too.

But check Oil Levels first Correctly.
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Originally Posted by Sydeffect View Post
If your OMP goes sour I'll sell you my used spare.
Does it look like this?
There are two of them, not identical.
N3R1-14-600
N3R2-14-600

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Also.. might be something to do with.....

ran the gambit of stalls, bucking and wheel spins
I guess by GF?

Oil in sump pan may have been sloshing around too much from all the "bucking", particularly if Oil level is low, starvation could of occurred.

Remember Series II also has it's only Oil Pressure Sensor located on one of the two EMOP's, so IF oil pressure is low this will set off Blinker, it is the only sensor that will cause blinking...apart from the Oil Level Sensor in Oil Pan.

Also every time car is started after ''stalls'', EMOP's injects a small amount of engine oil for lubrication.

I still believe your oil level is low.
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Update:

1st: I forgot to mention that I pulled codes after restarting (keep an OBDII sensor in my glovebox). No codes.

2nd: I left her idling outside of a friends apartment for 25 min or so and the light did not reappear. Turned it off and went for a 20 minute drive shortly therafter, no change.

Oil level isn't the issue. Sloshing would be my guess at this point. Mostly likely confused the sensor as some of the starts/stalls were....harsh.

Further notes: the R3 is my 3rd 8, so I'm well familiar with the oil use/ general rotary quirks at this point (hence why i keep an OBDII sensor in the glovebox...). I check oil every(ish) fill up and that's not the issue here. Oil was checked in gas station about 75 miles before attempted stick driving lesson. Stick driving lesson was in level parking lot, we swapped locations immediately after the light started blinking and I drove it a bit before restarting it, then pulled codes after returning to said parking lot and checked oil after sitting letting the car sit a touch longer.

Its a 2010 but the original purchase date was in August of 11 so there's more than a year remaining on the bumper to bumper.

I'll keep an eye on it and provide additional information if there are any further developments.

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The RX-8 has to be the worst car to learn to drive a stickshift. The clutch is like an on/off switch, the engine over-revs really easily but produces almost no torque at low RPM, the shift lever has no bushings to dampen distracting mechanical sensations, etc etc etc. I went from knowing the basics to being a good stick driver in my RX-8, but I wouldn't put someone else through that pain, not when there's a nice easy Honda Civic floating around somewhere.

Anyway, it seems most likely the error was captured during a stall.
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Old 04-09-2013, 04:12 PM
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I would not recommend a used pump. Very risky indeed. I tried it and lost. It was only a hundred dollas or so but it added to the cost of my new one which was around $1400.00 adding my used mistake into account.

Things brake even with the best of care. The omp is pricy and probably the best wepon against break downs is maintenance, maintenance and maintainance.
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Old 04-09-2013, 04:23 PM
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i would rent a car for a day versus trying to teach someone to drive a stick in an RX8.
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RIWWP: Good stuff sir.
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Very old thread, but series 2 cars getting older so maybe new failure modes:

On my car the flashing oil light came on after topping off the oil. The fill was without a long neck funnel so maybe that's a clue. Now there's a persistent high amount of smoke coming out the tail pipe (a lot) and the oil warning light flashes. However, when pulling codes, I can't find the ones that according to the FSM, should accompany the flashing....so a big mystery to me as to what's causing the flashing (and the smoking). I measure oil pressure at the PCM and it seems to move linearly up with engine speed. The improper fill may have clogged things because I got codes for the SSV, Secondary Air Pump and the O2s are fried thanks the the amount of smoke.

Don't know where to go next...FSM not helpful at this point and I'm finding very few S2 experts that can help diagnose. Some conclude internal oil seal issue due to the amount of smoke but I still can't move on from the flashing oil warning light and what's triggering that.
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Posting my update in the interest of helping others in the future:

So after trying 4 different scanners (including Torque app), I was still not finding one of the OMP DTCs that was supposed to accompany my blinking oil warning light....so nearly ready to send to dealer when I decided to give FORScan a try. Ordered the right HS/LS adapter for current Beta version and voila, it pulled the DTC I expected. P1680.....so lesson learned is none of old diagnostic tools pull the new S2 codes but FORScan does.
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