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Old 06-14-2014, 02:41 PM
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Nitrous and methyl setup

Thought you guys would enjoy....putting a zex wet kit with methyl injection combined both from bhr in my series 2....turning out pretty nice so far. Putting on the illuminated purge kit , too. Here s some pics....more to come.
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ok .. please someone explain to me why you would run Meth and Nitrous?
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Oh what size of a nitrous shot are you running?
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what size nozzle for meth?
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Originally Posted by wcs View Post
Oh what size of a nitrous shot are you running?
55 shot.... wet nitrous kit from zex, not supposed to use more than a 55 shot without retarding the timing. For the meth see this link : http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.c...icle_info.html

It explains the benefits of using together.
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Originally Posted by yomomspimp06 View Post
what size nozzle for meth?
Honestly i ll have to check...i used the smallest one thats in the AEM kit.
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Originally Posted by yomomspimp06 View Post
what size nozzle for meth?
250cc/min
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Originally Posted by bcdjudo7 View Post
55 shot.... wet nitrous kit from zex, not supposed to use more than a 55 shot without retarding the timing. For the meth see this link : The Best Water injection system and water methanol injection systems at AlcoholInjectionSystems.com - Alcohol Injection Systems.com

It explains the benefits of using together.
Thanks for the link

IMO it a waste of time with such a small shot especially since it's a wet shot.
I ran a 65 shot (wet) for couple years before they made nitrous illegal to use in street cars.
Do you plan on going to bigger sizes?
That article was talking about use Meth on shots over 250 and I imagine that would be a dry shot.

But anyways ... cool
Keep us posted... would like to see a dyno too, you know one with both and one with just nitrous.

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Makes no sense.
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Here we go again, nitrous is essentially chemical FI in a basic sense:

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-maj...2/#post4604030
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I gotta go with WCS on this one. I have seen water/meth injections on larger shots of nitrous to compensate for ignition retard as well as keeping temps down on big blocks .... but @ 65shot it might be more effort/cost than benefit here especially since we can tune the S2 now.
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I always love how some people just have to be dicks on this forum for no apparent reason .... at any rate, it's definitely not hurting anything. I didn't want to run anything bigger than a 55 shot because I don't really feel like putting more strain on the engine. The whole things more for show than anything, car show, etc. I also don't feel like doing more tuning, which can be a real pain when you live in Ohio .... no one out here that really knows how to tune these things. I end up sending a laptop or my car out to Oklahoma usually .... and for this setup would definitely bring my car to OK for tuning. Don't feel like doing all of that, so i'll see how this turns out. If you 'd all like to run a 250 shot and blow your engine .... well, knock yourself out
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Originally Posted by wcs View Post
Thanks for the link

IMO it a waste of time with such a small shot especially since it's a wet shot.
I ran a 65 shot (wet) for couple years before they made nitrous illegal to use in street cars.
Do you plan on going to bigger sizes?
That article was talking about use Meth on shots over 250 and I imagine that would be a dry shot.

But anyways ... cool
Keep us posted... would like to see a dyno too, you know one with both and one with just nitrous.


No prob ... I may run a dyno if I get some time over the sumer. Honestly , I'm kinda curious how it would come out compared to the last one I ran.
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It might explain why nobody has run anything higher with any success on an RX8 ... detonation is the #1 apex seal killer ...
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Originally Posted by bcdjudo7 View Post
I always love how some people just have to be dicks on this forum for no apparent reason
Not sure exactly who this was in reference to, but other than basic questions and agreement with the concerns of the other previous posts, I see nothing that would indicate someone is being a 'dick'. We are just curious to the overmedication.
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This statement is why I did the methyl , its from the above link i posted :

Absolutely. Nitrous oxide injection and*water methanol injection*are very compatible and safe to use together. In fact,*water injection*is quickly becoming the most effective, economical and efficient method of optimizing the performance of both wet and dry nitrous oxide systems. Furthermore, not only can*water methanol injection*enhance the power producing effects of your nitrous system, it can also significantly increase engine safety and reliability at the same.*

To say that the meth does the engine no good after reading that to me is rather silly.... no where have i read that it only benefits if youre using a certain shot. To each his own i suppose, but i wanted to run it for the safety aspect.
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I understand this is late responding and also about another generation, but i cant find anything about using nitrous on the rx8 series 1.
Can you still do a 55shot of nitrous and not have to adjust the timing.
And how long is this safe for?
My year of interest would be 2004 6 speed manual with 90,000 miles.
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Originally Posted by xBEMOx View Post
I understand this is late responding and also about another generation, but i cant find anything about using nitrous on the rx8 series 1.
Can you still do a 55shot of nitrous and not have to adjust the timing.
And how long is this safe for?
My year of interest would be 2004 6 speed manual with 90,000 miles.
You need to go to Black Halo Racing

Email Charles Ray Hill the master of all things Nitrous on the RX8 and the owner of Black Halo Racing.

You can also find out about nitrous use in his tech section
Charles R. Hill; Rules for Nitrous Use and Proper Installation | Black Halo Racing

To answer your question with my experience:
Without any issues at all or any timing changes, you can run a wet 55 shot for as long as you like.
Oh wait, what do you mean by how long?
Life of the car or through the RPM's?
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op i ran n02 for years (55 shot) with a lot of advice from wcs and 9k (ty guys) the 55 shot will net you about 35-37 rwhp on a dyno depending on tune. since your a s2 idk if you are tuned or not but that was my experience
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