Nitrous and methyl setup
06-14-2014, 01:41 PM
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Nitrous and methyl setup
Thought you guys would enjoy....putting a zex wet kit with methyl injection combined both from bhr in my series 2....turning out pretty nice so far. Putting on the illuminated purge kit , too. Here s some pics....more to come.
06-14-2014, 02:46 PM
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what size nozzle for meth?
06-14-2014, 06:20 PM
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55 shot.... wet nitrous kit from zex, not supposed to use more than a 55 shot without retarding the timing. For the meth see this link : http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.c...icle_info.html
It explains the benefits of using together.
It explains the benefits of using together.
06-15-2014, 01:08 PM
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55 shot.... wet nitrous kit from zex, not supposed to use more than a 55 shot without retarding the timing. For the meth see this link : The Best Water injection system and water methanol injection systems at AlcoholInjectionSystems.com - Alcohol Injection Systems.com
It explains the benefits of using together.
It explains the benefits of using together.
IMO it a waste of time with such a small shot especially since it's a wet shot.
I ran a 65 shot (wet) for couple years before they made nitrous illegal to use in street cars.
Do you plan on going to bigger sizes?
That article was talking about use Meth on shots over 250 and I imagine that would be a dry shot.
But anyways ... cool
Keep us posted... would like to see a dyno too, you know one with both and one with just nitrous.
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06-16-2014, 08:15 AM
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Here we go again, nitrous is essentially chemical FI in a basic sense:
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-maj...2/#post4604030
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-maj...2/#post4604030
06-16-2014, 08:49 AM
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I gotta go with WCS on this one. I have seen water/meth injections on larger shots of nitrous to compensate for ignition retard as well as keeping temps down on big blocks .... but @ 65shot it might be more effort/cost than benefit here especially since we can tune the S2 now.
06-17-2014, 02:24 AM
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I always love how some people just have to be dicks on this forum for no apparent reason .... at any rate, it's definitely not hurting anything. I didn't want to run anything bigger than a 55 shot because I don't really feel like putting more strain on the engine. The whole things more for show than anything, car show, etc. I also don't feel like doing more tuning, which can be a real pain when you live in Ohio .... no one out here that really knows how to tune these things. I end up sending a laptop or my car out to Oklahoma usually .... and for this setup would definitely bring my car to OK for tuning. Don't feel like doing all of that, so i'll see how this turns out. If you 'd all like to run a 250 shot and blow your engine .... well, knock yourself out 
06-17-2014, 02:27 AM
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Thanks for the link
IMO it a waste of time with such a small shot especially since it's a wet shot.
I ran a 65 shot (wet) for couple years before they made nitrous illegal to use in street cars.
Do you plan on going to bigger sizes?
That article was talking about use Meth on shots over 250 and I imagine that would be a dry shot.
But anyways ... cool
Keep us posted... would like to see a dyno too, you know one with both and one with just nitrous.
IMO it a waste of time with such a small shot especially since it's a wet shot.
I ran a 65 shot (wet) for couple years before they made nitrous illegal to use in street cars.
Do you plan on going to bigger sizes?
That article was talking about use Meth on shots over 250 and I imagine that would be a dry shot.
But anyways ... cool
Keep us posted... would like to see a dyno too, you know one with both and one with just nitrous.
No prob ... I may run a dyno if I get some time over the sumer. Honestly , I'm kinda curious how it would come out compared to the last one I ran.
06-18-2014, 07:41 AM
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This statement is why I did the methyl , its from the above link i posted :
Absolutely. Nitrous oxide injection and*water methanol injection*are very compatible and safe to use together. In fact,*water injection*is quickly becoming the most effective, economical and efficient method of optimizing the performance of both wet and dry nitrous oxide systems. Furthermore, not only can*water methanol injection*enhance the power producing effects of your nitrous system, it can also significantly increase engine safety and reliability at the same.*
To say that the meth does the engine no good after reading that to me is rather silly.... no where have i read that it only benefits if youre using a certain shot. To each his own i suppose, but i wanted to run it for the safety aspect.
Absolutely. Nitrous oxide injection and*water methanol injection*are very compatible and safe to use together. In fact,*water injection*is quickly becoming the most effective, economical and efficient method of optimizing the performance of both wet and dry nitrous oxide systems. Furthermore, not only can*water methanol injection*enhance the power producing effects of your nitrous system, it can also significantly increase engine safety and reliability at the same.*
To say that the meth does the engine no good after reading that to me is rather silly.... no where have i read that it only benefits if youre using a certain shot. To each his own i suppose, but i wanted to run it for the safety aspect.
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I understand this is late responding and also about another generation, but i cant find anything about using nitrous on the rx8 series 1.
Can you still do a 55shot of nitrous and not have to adjust the timing.
And how long is this safe for?
My year of interest would be 2004 6 speed manual with 90,000 miles.
Can you still do a 55shot of nitrous and not have to adjust the timing.
And how long is this safe for?
My year of interest would be 2004 6 speed manual with 90,000 miles.
06-12-2015, 06:03 AM
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I understand this is late responding and also about another generation, but i cant find anything about using nitrous on the rx8 series 1.
Can you still do a 55shot of nitrous and not have to adjust the timing.
And how long is this safe for?
My year of interest would be 2004 6 speed manual with 90,000 miles.
Can you still do a 55shot of nitrous and not have to adjust the timing.
And how long is this safe for?
My year of interest would be 2004 6 speed manual with 90,000 miles.
Email Charles Ray Hill the master of all things Nitrous on the RX8 and the owner of Black Halo Racing.
You can also find out about nitrous use in his tech section
Charles R. Hill; Rules for Nitrous Use and Proper Installation | Black Halo Racing
To answer your question with my experience:
Without any issues at all or any timing changes, you can run a wet 55 shot for as long as you like.
Oh wait, what do you mean by how long?
Life of the car or through the RPM's?
06-12-2015, 07:02 AM
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op i ran n02 for years (55 shot) with a lot of advice from wcs and 9k (ty guys) the 55 shot will net you about 35-37 rwhp on a dyno depending on tune. since your a s2 idk if you are tuned or not but that was my experience
08-08-2020, 08:30 PM
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Any update on this. I have a series 2 with 18 k on now. Talked to Charles he said drive and enjoy such a clean car. But after running around in all my other vehicles at 500plus whp I want just a bit more and thought no2 would give me that little bump In power I wanted especially lower in the rpm. I would also tune with versa tune. 35whp hump would be about perfect especially if that the very safe number. I want just a bit more but keeping it safe. I usually push the envelope but this car will never be a rocket compared to my others so I’m just enjoying the crap out of it for what it is.
04-30-2021, 10:08 AM
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If your other vehicle are at 500whp, adding 35 horsepower to an rx8 will be fast for "a day" then immediately it will feel normal and slow again.
Juice ain't worth the squeeze IMO.
Juice ain't worth the squeeze IMO.
05-01-2021, 04:15 PM
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Lol team hit the nail on the head. I was leaning towards running it based on rpm. Say 4-6500 or in that area. That 35hp bump would be nice especially the added trq for the track closet to my house gratten. Lots of uphill pulls. But then decided it would eat so much that I would be lucky to get a whole session out of it and have to change tanks all the time. I love to tinker so that’s where most ideas come from for me. But this car has been a whole lot of fun so I’m juts doing little things.
Next step is e85 tune. Found a few that say it’s possible without anything but a tune for stock s2.
Not for hp mind you but cooling and should in theory produce much less carbon. Plus I have very high quality e85 less than a mile from my house.
Next step is e85 tune. Found a few that say it’s possible without anything but a tune for stock s2.
Not for hp mind you but cooling and should in theory produce much less carbon. Plus I have very high quality e85 less than a mile from my house.
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