When 20's is not enough...
06-06-2005, 01:15 PM
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but I went from narrow crappy uniroyal (ugh) tiger paws (195/70/15 on all 4 corners i think) to 225/40/18s on the front and 245/40/18s Michelin Pilots and I did feel.
You would have seen the same or larger benefit had you instead moved to something like a 245/45/16, or 245/50/16. This also has the secondary benefit of massively reducing tire costs. (Allowing you to purchase awesome tires and replace them without worrying about $$).
06-06-2005, 01:41 PM
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I think we can end this thread now; it's pretty much beaten to death.
Can we all agree on the following three items?
All other things being equal, larger rims have a negative effect on a car's overall performance.
Some people can feel that loss of performance.
JO8 can not.
JO8 can not.
Ok, enough nasty words.
Guys... I must let you know sometin'.
There is 3 things very difficult to announce:
1. That you're in love with this independant next-door girl.
2. Broken up with the actual girlfriend to move next door.
3. Admit an error on an internet car club.
Guys. I must admit
I MADE AN ERROR.
It's a shame.
Completely hypnotised by the chrome of my 20's rims, when i did the comparison with my friend's stock RX-8, i didn't made it correctly. So i was completely misleaded and was just too happy to spread the world about my new discovery, so i didn't noticed that my friend's rx8 wasn't equal.
Handbrake was on.
06-06-2005, 02:06 PM
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RX8 HA HA
Originally Posted by JO8
No. Still alive, but you're welcome to move on.
You need others to get in your opinion team in order to validate...uhm..lets see... your ego ?
Oh yes. That being said. How much percent less ? Uh ? Can't remember... 2% or 5% less "overall performance" ?
Some people should take more time with their wife (or find one..), and less searching a way to get aerodynamic-lightweight valve cap on their car.
Ok, enough nasty words.
Guys... I must let you know sometin'.
There is 3 things very difficult to announce:
1. That you're in love with this independant next-door girl.
2. Broken up with the actual girlfriend to move next door.
3. Admit an error on an internet car club.
Guys. I must admit
I MADE AN ERROR.
It's a shame.
Completely hypnotised by the chrome of my 20's rims, when i did the comparison with my friend's stock RX-8, i didn't made it correctly. So i was completely misleaded and was just too happy to spread the world about my new discovery, so i didn't noticed that my friend's rx8 wasn't equal.
Handbrake was on.
You need others to get in your opinion team in order to validate...uhm..lets see... your ego ?
Oh yes. That being said. How much percent less ? Uh ? Can't remember... 2% or 5% less "overall performance" ?
Some people should take more time with their wife (or find one..), and less searching a way to get aerodynamic-lightweight valve cap on their car.
Ok, enough nasty words.
Guys... I must let you know sometin'.
There is 3 things very difficult to announce:
1. That you're in love with this independant next-door girl.
2. Broken up with the actual girlfriend to move next door.
3. Admit an error on an internet car club.
Guys. I must admit
I MADE AN ERROR.
It's a shame.
Completely hypnotised by the chrome of my 20's rims, when i did the comparison with my friend's stock RX-8, i didn't made it correctly. So i was completely misleaded and was just too happy to spread the world about my new discovery, so i didn't noticed that my friend's rx8 wasn't equal.
Handbrake was on.
06-06-2005, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by EZZY
trying to be neutral here, even though im one of the very frist few ppl got the 20's here in australia 
anyway, there ARE differences between factory 18's and aftermarket 20's..
- physical size difference, but you'd try to keep the overall diameter close to factory, therefore the speedo readings are similar
- weight difference, but you'd be surprised with today's technology, it is possible to get a set of 20's with similar weight to the factory 18's. with 20's, you are carrying less air, and therefore less water particles.... correct me if im wrong :p
- ride comfort, 18"s have thicker profile, therefore it'd be more comfortable than 20"s with thinner profile, it also depends on what type of roads you travel the most. there are certain roads here in sydney i will not get on, even if i have to make a detour.
- braking, there will be a difference, but not big enough to be dangerous. +2 size upgrade is very common amongst high-end car companies. my other mazda came with 14" factory steelies, and i have upgraded to 15's, then 17"s, then 18"s then 19"s. as soon as i got to 17" combo, i have done a minor brake system upgrade, and when i got the 18"s, i upgraded again, but thats a +3/+4 size upgrade, similar to the ones mentioned here from 15" to 18".
i have 20"x8.5" and 245/35 tyres all round, lowered springs and adjustable swaybars front and rear, im happy with it, and for me its a perfect daily driver combo. if im taking the 8 to a track day, then i'd stupid not to put smaller wheel/tyre combo on it.
some points mentioned in this thread are vaild, but some are shallowminded.
some ppl asked me why did i put 20"s on my car, i always told them "because i can".
anyway, better go now
ps. JO8, the one with 22"s looks funny. he had 20"s front and 22"s rear combo, and the 8 sits on an angle. the rear looked weird. the main reason he did that is because he has a wheels/tyres business here in australia, and he uses the 8 as one if his promo cars
anyway, there ARE differences between factory 18's and aftermarket 20's..
- physical size difference, but you'd try to keep the overall diameter close to factory, therefore the speedo readings are similar
- weight difference, but you'd be surprised with today's technology, it is possible to get a set of 20's with similar weight to the factory 18's. with 20's, you are carrying less air, and therefore less water particles.... correct me if im wrong :p
- ride comfort, 18"s have thicker profile, therefore it'd be more comfortable than 20"s with thinner profile, it also depends on what type of roads you travel the most. there are certain roads here in sydney i will not get on, even if i have to make a detour.
- braking, there will be a difference, but not big enough to be dangerous. +2 size upgrade is very common amongst high-end car companies. my other mazda came with 14" factory steelies, and i have upgraded to 15's, then 17"s, then 18"s then 19"s. as soon as i got to 17" combo, i have done a minor brake system upgrade, and when i got the 18"s, i upgraded again, but thats a +3/+4 size upgrade, similar to the ones mentioned here from 15" to 18".
i have 20"x8.5" and 245/35 tyres all round, lowered springs and adjustable swaybars front and rear, im happy with it, and for me its a perfect daily driver combo. if im taking the 8 to a track day, then i'd stupid not to put smaller wheel/tyre combo on it.
some points mentioned in this thread are vaild, but some are shallowminded.
some ppl asked me why did i put 20"s on my car, i always told them "because i can".
anyway, better go now
ps. JO8, the one with 22"s looks funny. he had 20"s front and 22"s rear combo, and the 8 sits on an angle. the rear looked weird. the main reason he did that is because he has a wheels/tyres business here in australia, and he uses the 8 as one if his promo cars
Thanks Ezzy.
Probably the most intelligent comment here. Mainly because NEUTRAL. "Neutral skill" being weakness for most people here.
I agree with all your statements. It's funny to see that only 2 other members in here actually KNOW what is the feeling of 20's on an rx8... And aalllll the crowd drowning in a theorical discussion, without actual experimentation.
Even the guy who did the 1/4 mile race track did it with (different tires) on 16's and 18's
That's what i call "NOT-NASA-APPROVED".
But most important thing: If i don't care about losing 0.2 seconds on 0-60, what is you problem with that?
I am not using the maximum potential of my car every time i get in, simply because i don't want to beat it up, i don't want to race with civic's on every street, i can't get "speed" feeling in this car ANYWAY. Sorry, but this car doesn't impress me regarding speed, and i don't want to get it modified.
How could i be impressed with it after being on my Busa for few hours ?
So i enjoy my RX-8 as a DAILY DRIVER with the go-kart handling fun part, which 20's and Toyo 245-35-20 tires improved over stockers.
Finally, (this message is for) NEW-UNBRAINWASHED Members who just wondering if 20's is too big. Answer is NO.
You CAN do it, and it's nice. If you don't like it, don't worry you'll be able to put the stockers back anyway.
06-06-2005, 02:28 PM
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I remember when threads like this used to get locked by moderators.. What happened to those days?
I think that convincing a dumb ignorant (me and probably others) worth 10 pages of great discussions on a discussion forum didicated to the subject.
06-06-2005, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JO8
Mugatu... Disapointing little hobbit,
It's all you found after scanning my text ?
You can do better. Try again.
It's all you found after scanning my text ?
You can do better. Try again.
well, when you say something like you don't care about performance and 0-60 times, but yet you want to get a GTechPro (which it's main purpose is to measure 0-60, 1/4 mile times, etc.) it makes you sound like a complete idiot.
i don't need to delve further into things, because you are doing quite well doing all the work yourself.
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