Toyo R1R vs Bridgestone RE-11?
08-11-2009, 11:54 PM
#26
^Yeah but AutoX and track days are completely different. What makes a good AutoX tire does not necessarily make a good track day tire. The RE-11 has amazing grip, but will get greesy after 20 minutes of lapping on a hot day.
The new NT05 is marketed more to track day enthusiasts, it will give you the grip you want, and will not over heat as easily.
Oh, and its also a good bit cheaper than the RE-11.
The new NT05 is marketed more to track day enthusiasts, it will give you the grip you want, and will not over heat as easily.
Oh, and its also a good bit cheaper than the RE-11.
08-12-2009, 06:22 AM
#27
"I am doing mainly spirited daily driving/canyon runs and an occassional trackday every now and again. I live in Seattle so moderate to sometimes heavy rain will be a consideration."
I say again, T1R
I say again, T1R
Considering he runs canyons and trackdays, what exactly about the R1R is overkill? Seems like the Extreme Performance category is perfectly suited for his needs.
Now there is talk about the R1R having heat issues, and that might manifest itself on a track day, so I'd go with the RE-11. However, the T1R will overheat just as fast if not faster than the R1R.
Now there is talk about the R1R having heat issues, and that might manifest itself on a track day, so I'd go with the RE-11. However, the T1R will overheat just as fast if not faster than the R1R.
08-12-2009, 09:35 AM
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Canyon runs and track days are my main application. I found the non-Star Spec Sport Z1s to be slightly lacking and the T1Rs are a downgrade in performance compared to those tires.
08-12-2009, 09:48 AM
#30
T1R's, as a Summer Max-Ultra, are of course a "step down" from the Summer Extreme R1R's. I have no point of reference to the non-Star Spec Sport Z1's so will accept your T1R relative view on those.
But again, given the OP's cited intentions and climatic conditions, imho the T1R's are his best all around choice.
But again, given the OP's cited intentions and climatic conditions, imho the T1R's are his best all around choice.
08-12-2009, 10:21 AM
#31
T1R's, as a Summer Max-Ultra, are of course a "step down" from the Summer Extreme R1R's. I have no point of reference to the non-Star Spec Sport Z1's so will accept your T1R relative view on those.
But again, given the OP's cited intentions and climatic conditions, imho the T1R's are his best all around choice.
But again, given the OP's cited intentions and climatic conditions, imho the T1R's are his best all around choice.
Chris
08-12-2009, 06:00 PM
#32
This is ridiculous. It's all a matter of perspective - one man's canyon carvers are another man's all season radials. Both would be an excellent choice. The T1-Rs will be easier to slide around on and get that "fun" feeling without going insanley fast, but the R1-Rs will reward with killer grip levels on both the street & track. It just depends on how the OP gets his jollies.
08-13-2009, 03:44 AM
#34
This is ridiculous. It's all a matter of perspective - one man's canyon carvers are another man's all season radials. Both would be an excellent choice. The T1-Rs will be easier to slide around on and get that "fun" feeling without going insanley fast, but the R1-Rs will reward with killer grip levels on both the street & track. It just depends on how the OP gets his jollies.
sure you can do it! but really you cant. if you push any of the tires mentioned above on the street you are fing stupid..
sure they are nice.. i have a set of star specs sitting in my garage right now.. they were fine on the street, but they never even got close to warm. i maybe taxed them to 30% on the street.
on the track that is a different story.. yummy.. as are the reo 1s that i am learning now..
spirited canyon driving will never heat a tire up enough to learn the edge.
as to chris and the straight line. well he needs all the grip he can get..
so if you are not soloing on track days.. or in the top 95 % in auto cross. or got a honking 500whp car. note, really if you are, you know what tires you should be on by now.
you might think again..
hey, but what do i know.. just putting a set of kumho spts back on my car.. they have 28k miles on them.. pretty sure i am not going to out drive them..
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08-13-2009, 03:55 AM
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^^^That is a very reasonable viewpoint and one that I can definitely get behind.
Just FYI, I've made the decision to run with the Toyo T1-R's. Good price, good grip levels for my driving. Both in the dry and in the wet (Seattle weather FTW!). If I start to do more trackdays or if I develop some sort of crazy death wish on the streets then I'll look into getting the R1-R's or the Star Specs or the RE-11's.
Thanks for all the input guys, really appreciate it.
Just FYI, I've made the decision to run with the Toyo T1-R's. Good price, good grip levels for my driving. Both in the dry and in the wet (Seattle weather FTW!). If I start to do more trackdays or if I develop some sort of crazy death wish on the streets then I'll look into getting the R1-R's or the Star Specs or the RE-11's.
Thanks for all the input guys, really appreciate it.
08-13-2009, 04:07 AM
#36
^^^That is a very reasonable viewpoint and one that I can definitely get behind.
Just FYI, I've made the decision to run with the Toyo T1-R's. Good price, good grip levels for my driving. Both in the dry and in the wet (Seattle weather FTW!). If I start to do more trackdays or if I develop some sort of crazy death wish on the streets then I'll look into getting the R1-R's or the Star Specs or the RE-11's.
Thanks for all the input guys, really appreciate it.
Just FYI, I've made the decision to run with the Toyo T1-R's. Good price, good grip levels for my driving. Both in the dry and in the wet (Seattle weather FTW!). If I start to do more trackdays or if I develop some sort of crazy death wish on the streets then I'll look into getting the R1-R's or the Star Specs or the RE-11's.
Thanks for all the input guys, really appreciate it.
the t1r is the tire that will replace the spts that are going on my car now..
beers
08-13-2009, 06:21 AM
#37
A wise choice. 
btw: it takes ~500 miles to break in the T1R's and then they start gripping like crazy. Enjoy!
btw: it takes ~500 miles to break in the T1R's and then they start gripping like crazy. Enjoy!
^^^That is a very reasonable viewpoint and one that I can definitely get behind.
Just FYI, I've made the decision to run with the Toyo T1-R's. Good price, good grip levels for my driving. Both in the dry and in the wet (Seattle weather FTW!). If I start to do more trackdays or if I develop some sort of crazy death wish on the streets then I'll look into getting the R1-R's or the Star Specs or the RE-11's.
Thanks for all the input guys, really appreciate it.
Just FYI, I've made the decision to run with the Toyo T1-R's. Good price, good grip levels for my driving. Both in the dry and in the wet (Seattle weather FTW!). If I start to do more trackdays or if I develop some sort of crazy death wish on the streets then I'll look into getting the R1-R's or the Star Specs or the RE-11's.
Thanks for all the input guys, really appreciate it.
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