Toyo R1R vs Bridgestone RE-11?
08-10-2009, 10:58 PM
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Toyo R1R vs Bridgestone RE-11?
Hey guys, I'm looking to get replacement tires for the stockers soon and I've been going back and forth between the Toyo R1R or the Bridgestone Potenza RE-11 tires. I am doing mainly spirited daily driving/canyon runs and an occassional trackday every now and again. I live in Seattle so moderate to sometimes heavy rain will be a consideration, but I do take public transit a lot, leaving the 8 and my Ducati in the garage for dry days; I just want the wet performance for if I do decide to take the 8 out in the rain.
Given these parameters, which would you recommend? One last consideration is that I am not a high mileage kind of driver so tread wear, while still a consideration, takes a backseat to performance. I tried searching, but didn't come across much in the way of RE-11 opinions/reviews. Thanks in advance for any and all feedback!
Given these parameters, which would you recommend? One last consideration is that I am not a high mileage kind of driver so tread wear, while still a consideration, takes a backseat to performance. I tried searching, but didn't come across much in the way of RE-11 opinions/reviews. Thanks in advance for any and all feedback!
08-11-2009, 01:19 AM
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Don't get the RE-11 unless you AutoX and can compete for contingency money. They are just too pricy. The new Kumho XS is a great canyon run/track day tire that has similar dry grip to the R1R and the RE-11.
Although if your looking for a good rain tire as well, the XS is not for you. The R1R is much better in the rain then the others listed.
Also check out the Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Specs.
Although if your looking for a good rain tire as well, the XS is not for you. The R1R is much better in the rain then the others listed.
Also check out the Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Specs.
08-11-2009, 02:52 AM
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I appreciate the heads up, just trying to clarify if what you are saying is that the dry grip is lacking in your opinion. And if so, could you elaborate a bit? (i.e. What are you doing to break them loose? Under what conditions, etc.)
08-11-2009, 08:23 AM
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I have 265/35/18 Toyo R1R's also. If you are breaking them loose on the street, you are driving very recklessly.
Nonsense aside, I would probably suggest the Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Specs over the other tires listed above for daily driving. If you don't mind sacrificing a bit of ultimate grip for better street manners and longer tread life, I run T1R's on the street and they have more grip then I would ever use on a public road.
Nonsense aside, I would probably suggest the Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Specs over the other tires listed above for daily driving. If you don't mind sacrificing a bit of ultimate grip for better street manners and longer tread life, I run T1R's on the street and they have more grip then I would ever use on a public road.
08-11-2009, 09:12 AM
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TOYO T1R's all the way.
They handle 500whp+ from my engine without issues, they last longer than most sticky tires and they handle the turns great. I used to brake loose from a roll in 3rd ans sometimes even in 4th and now it only does it in second and the rest of the time it lays it down. I could not be happier...
I do use 275-35-19 though which is taller than most will use but this is due to my power band which is a little abrupt.
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They handle 500whp+ from my engine without issues, they last longer than most sticky tires and they handle the turns great. I used to brake loose from a roll in 3rd ans sometimes even in 4th and now it only does it in second and the rest of the time it lays it down. I could not be happier...
I do use 275-35-19 though which is taller than most will use but this is due to my power band which is a little abrupt.
Chris
08-11-2009, 11:06 AM
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TOYO T1R's all the way.
They handle 500whp+ from my engine without issues, they last longer than most sticky tires and they handle the turns great. I used to brake loose from a roll in 3rd ans sometimes even in 4th and now it only does it in second and the rest of the time it lays it down. I could not be happier...
I do use 275-35-19 though which is taller than most will use but this is due to my power band which is a little abrupt.
Chris
They handle 500whp+ from my engine without issues, they last longer than most sticky tires and they handle the turns great. I used to brake loose from a roll in 3rd ans sometimes even in 4th and now it only does it in second and the rest of the time it lays it down. I could not be happier...
I do use 275-35-19 though which is taller than most will use but this is due to my power band which is a little abrupt.
Chris
08-11-2009, 01:38 PM
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Ill be picking up some Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Specs myself after seeing some local guys autox on them all year and still have lots of tread left.
If you quit being a cave monster come out to some of the Seattle things we do there is lots of information/experience from us.
If you quit being a cave monster come out to some of the Seattle things we do there is lots of information/experience from us.
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Ill be picking up some Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Specs myself after seeing some local guys autox on them all year and still have lots of tread left.
If you quit being a cave monster come out to some of the Seattle things we do there is lots of information/experience from us.
If you quit being a cave monster come out to some of the Seattle things we do there is lots of information/experience from us.
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Now there is talk about the R1R having heat issues, and that might manifest itself on a track day, so I'd go with the RE-11. However, the T1R will overheat just as fast if not faster than the R1R.
08-11-2009, 09:18 PM
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I've been autocrossing R1-Rs for most of the season, and they are a great tire. However, from a performance standpoint, the RE-11, XS, AD08 are all equal or slightly (to the point it does not matter for non-competitive driving) better. At least in the dry. XS is out for you because of wet performance, as others have said.
The R1-Rs do have a reputation of overheating. This does not surprise me as sometimes my quickest run is my first, and I did overheat them the other day with 8 back-to-back runs in 90 minutes. At an autocross I can spray between runs to manage the tire temp, but you can't do that during a 20 minute track session.
I also had T1-Rs, and they are great on the street - a very fun tire, from a subjective standpoint, but lower in grip, and I don't think they would be a stellar track tire.
For combined street driving & track days, I'd look at the Bridgestone or Yoko AD08. Or, perhaps the Toyo RA-1 if you want a serious track-day tire that is steetable (but it will wear faster than any of the above). But it sounds like that might be overkill for you.
The R1-Rs do have a reputation of overheating. This does not surprise me as sometimes my quickest run is my first, and I did overheat them the other day with 8 back-to-back runs in 90 minutes. At an autocross I can spray between runs to manage the tire temp, but you can't do that during a 20 minute track session.
I also had T1-Rs, and they are great on the street - a very fun tire, from a subjective standpoint, but lower in grip, and I don't think they would be a stellar track tire.
For combined street driving & track days, I'd look at the Bridgestone or Yoko AD08. Or, perhaps the Toyo RA-1 if you want a serious track-day tire that is steetable (but it will wear faster than any of the above). But it sounds like that might be overkill for you.
08-11-2009, 10:09 PM
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^^Cool. Thanks for all the insight!
Yeah, it looks like I should really be leaning towards the Toyo R1-R's. Or perhaps, even the T1-R's if I'm not going to be concentrating on trackdays and mostly canyon runs with the occasional trackday (I'm not a complete track junkie. Beginner's group fo' sho')?
Yeah, it looks like I should really be leaning towards the Toyo R1-R's. Or perhaps, even the T1-R's if I'm not going to be concentrating on trackdays and mostly canyon runs with the occasional trackday (I'm not a complete track junkie. Beginner's group fo' sho')?
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Get the RE-11's FTW! These are the replacement to the RE01-R's which I currently have on my DD and they are amazing. Even in the rain, you don't have to worry about losing traction. They were better in the rain than my old all-season tires. 
Seriously though, I attended an autocross with these and they performed very well through 8 laps. A ton on Auto-X drivers use these, as well as the RE-11's. Bridgestone FTW! End of discussion! You won't be disappointed with RE-11's, I guarantee it.
Seriously though, I attended an autocross with these and they performed very well through 8 laps. A ton on Auto-X drivers use these, as well as the RE-11's. Bridgestone FTW! End of discussion! You won't be disappointed with RE-11's, I guarantee it.