Fanman

Nonsense, you have been condescending about Racing Beat throughout the thread and the only spotlight you brought out was in your foolishness. You basically beat a dead horse, repeating your message 30X over when everybody essentially blew you off & asked the moderator to close the thread, and ban you. You are a nuisance, that has contributed nothing to this board. I was civil to you in your thread, but you kept pushing your point beyond ridiculous. Even in this thread you have written 2 posts with both of them being facetious & disparaging to Racing Beat. Call it what you will but I find your continued off handed remarks very annoying. If you want to beat a Dead Horse, then you might as well start a subject on why you hate a particular vendor, just because many of the posters actually like their products.

bureau13

He's clearly a troll. 91 posts, and about 70 have been troll posts with the remaining 21 being lame attempts to deny it.

jds

Reactionary

Not even close. I have no agenda against Racing Beat. The thread provides no such evidence. The thread asked people to think a little more and to think more consistently. What evidence the thread provides is that many people, in their own bias, took an immediate defensive stance, and tried to personally attack me. Extremely simple. Reread the thread. Your bias is still deep in you. Otherwise, you would concede I did no such thing and nothing wrong in that thread.

Reactionary

By what definition of troll? Some of you are ridiculous. One thing I've learned here is you have to be assertive or people will try to step on you. And that's what I'm beginning to do.

Fanman

My bias has been stated consistently, based on my previous experiences with their product. I've stated that consistently. You think you are being assertive, you think you are trying to state things to people, and make them think but all you did was grate people the wrong way. You think you are being unbias, but either you are one of those people that ask the same question 50 different ways & exaperate other people or you have an ax to grind. I've read the thread, and have you noticed that NOBODY sided with you. Do you ever think that you may be thinking that you are approaching something in an objective manner but that EVERYBODY else sees/feels that you are not ? Just let it go, & the next time you think about posting something stupid about Racing Beat, just figure that everybody else sees it as bias BS. If you have an experience to share, then fine. If you just want to talk out of your hole, from no experience what so ever, then what is the point ?

Reactionary

ONCE AGAIN, many people turned that thread into personal attacks. I did not get personal. Many people were talking out of their ********. They turned the topic of that thread inside out and created their own egoistical agendas. You talked out of your A hole, as you know. People like you screwed the thread up. AGAIN, the real topic of the thread was that people need to think more about their own thinking when it comes to Racing Beat and try to catch themselves in biased, inconsistent thinking/behavior. Nothing at all wrong with that topic. Something very wrong with personalized attack agendas from biased misinterpretation because of individual human folly. Thread topic was fine and legit and worthwhile. Many people who responded were not legit or fine or worthwhile.

Edit: I just reviewed that Racing Beat thread and it turns out Fanman was actually one of the good guys. Bureau, Gomez, and many others were the ones talking out of their A holes because their egos made them want to go one-on-one with me instead of staying with the totally innocuous real topic. So why are you on my case now, Fanman?

Fanman

Great, Reactionary killed another thread. Let's see if he can post another 50 posts in a thread defending himself AGAIN. I wish this could stay on topic about Racing Beat vs. Whiteline, but if you are going to continue to make semi-pitiful remarks (with no value) on the vendor, than just let it die. Seriously, look at the first 2 remarks that you made in this post. Do you see any value in those statements ?

You wonder why people think you have it out for Racing Beat, but the 2 threads that you have posted prominently on was a "What Are The Reasons Racing Beat Is So Respected" & RB vs. Whitelines thread. Both times you question Racing Beat's products/reputation, and this time you make a few snide remarks. You claim that you have nothing against them, yet I have not seen you post anything else about other vendors. Where's your philisophical statement when somebody buys Tein Springs ? Or Greddy Turbo & Exhaust ? I understand that your message is for us to think about what we are buying, is it really the product or the reputation of the company ? Sometimes you just have to face a reality check that many/all of us can't/won't see every product we buy extensively. The best you can hope for is to maybe see the product at Sevenstock, see a few pictures, or hear it on a few cars, read a few reviews and make a decision. That's life. It really comes off like what you are asking us is that if we like Racing Beat Springs we have to write a 2 page explanation on why our *** feels more planted in the seat compared to a set of Mazdaspeeds. Or if we want an exhaust we have to buy 5 different exhausts, take a look at each weld, strap a audio sensor to the back, & give a technical description on why one is better than another before we can choose one for our car. Real life is not like that. It's like you are that guy in the movie Clerks, checking out every single egg in the carton/several cartons for some perfection that nobody really cares about. Dude, just buy the eggs.


Like Rotary God said, if after 7 pages (previous thread) you weren't satisfied then you won't ever be with the answers on this board. You seemed inquisitive for the first 5 pages, hell I praised you for being that in my post, but then you seemed ridiculous for the final 3 pages, and now here.

RX4life

whitelines are popular for the 240SXs in vancouver.. from what ive heard... and they are reputable.. fo sure.. very high quality product...their coilovers are goood tooo.. but i dont know if they make them for the 8...

for any one in Vancouver Bc.. try PDM racing.. they sell them for the 240s.. but my guess is they could get it for the 8s toooo..

Reactionary

Above, I added an edit saying that I checked that old thread out and realized you were one of the few good guys. So why are you on my case now?

It seems you haven't read my comments closely enough. Again, I am parodying the people who knee press Racing Beat, not Racing Beat. Please get that into your head. I have not attacked other vendors because I have not attacked any vendors, not even Racing Beat. I am parodying the many many people who got offtrack and defensive and ruined that other thread all on account of that they want to be Racing Beat's love child. Those people are my focus, not Racing Beat. Other brands' bitches (not the brands themselves) never entered this thing.

Spin9k

Interesting point ULLLOSE, Whitelines are solid, of course they weight more, but this also increases stiffness without increasing bar diameter. According to Whiteline (cause I asked) this means that the solid bars are 33%-44% stiffer for a given diameter using 'same-as-OEM' arm length mounting holes.

Esp. in front this can make mounting easier. But I have wondered about other bar's weights compared to Whiteline. So I weighed mine

Front bar is 12.6lbs
Rear bar is 4.8 lbs

Anyone have weights on RB, MS, OEM or others? I'd like to know just how much extra weight we're talking 1 lb or 5 lb or ?

-----------PS Could you boys who are so into each other pls take all the personal attacks & banter elsewhere, PMs, offline, lounge? This could be a nice technical discussion of performance bars were it not for all the "he said", "you said", "I did", "no I didn't" foolishness. Thank you.

I'd like to talk about sway bars. So ca we stick to the technical facts? At least you learn something that way.

Reactionary

So with hollow bars, you can attain a certain stiffness while saving weight?

Spin9k

Hollow bars appear to have a slight intrinsic advantage overall in that as the bar twists the outer material contributes more to stiffness (as it twists farther) than the inside material. So taking out the inside material (hollow bar) does not compromise stiffness too terribly much (the 33-44% I mentioned above), and you can just make the hollow bar larger in diamerter to compensate while keeping the bar lighter. [As long as it still fits in the suspension]. This is the RB solution, hollow, and bigger.

Offsetting that is the fact that solid bars are well... solid, which means they are easier to manufacture (no end welding, cracks, breaks, pinching the tube, etc), and less prone to flex breakdown and loss of torsional stiffness. But, in any case, cheap steel (read poorly designed and low quality bars) will just go limp after a while whether solid or hollow. So a reputable company that uses quality steel is important no matter what bar you end up buying. Just like springs, there are good and bad cause a sway bar is just a spring straightened out.

Also you may simply want more stiffnes too, so solid starts out that way. It all depends on your application and what you want out of it.

Cam

iTrader: (1)

Well this was an interesting thread until Reactionary hijacked it.

If you want to "discuss" your RB issues take it back to your own thread.

BIU

I made this thread to let ppl discuss about the RB and Whiteline sways.....

it was gonna be informative.......... but look now.....

Spin9k

It looks like a healthy thread now, so let's get back to swaybar business...maybe it's time to stop worrying about what's past.

Anyone got the weights of other swaybars, front and rear.. inquiring minds want to know

EZZY

i have whiteline adjustable front and read sway bars. they are very good quality and it totally transformed the car. alot less body roll, and makes more fun around the corners/round abouts.
whiteline have actually used my 8 for the sway bars R&D here in sydeny, so my would be one of the first off the production line. :D
they are doing springs atm, 30mm lowered all round. the 8 will have to go back soon for another test fit/drive soon.
the silver colour sway bars doesnt look too bad on a blk 8. you cant really see it unless you are on the floor :p

AdictiveRx

If I am not mistaking, The sway bars are pretty much the lowest thing on the car...the weight is only added to the lowest point which last time i checked was an "excusable" add-on. Lower center of gravity, better handling.

So There!

ULLLOSE

iTrader: (1)

True, but it is also unsprung weight to a point, as it hooks to both the suspension and the body....Unsprung weight is a BAD thing. You should be able to find a hallow bar that is as stiff as the solid one with around a 25% weight savings.

I tell you I am new to the RX8 and the forum... Being active on other forums I am bummed at how many losers are on here killing perfectly good threads. Seems like the mods could step in a delete the junk post. imho

bureau13

There's a difference between being assertive and being a dick. Really! There is. Now you'll have to PM me or start a new thread if you want me to call you more names, because there is still a small chance of decent information getting posted in this thread. Not by you of course.

jds

Reactionary

Bureau, I have reviewed your many self-important musings in that other thread. Boy, did you stick your neck out. LOL. So you embarrassed yourself. So what? What's next?

Spin9k

Sounds reasonable to think it increases unsprung weight a bunch... but according to Whiteline, apparently not to a significant extent. And before you say they're just biased - read this http://www.whiteline.com.au/docs/bul...%20Swaybar.pdf
where they calculate the difference in unsprung weight of a typical solid vs. hollow sway bar install.

Ends up about 220g in their example (less than 1/2 lb per wheel) and with an unsprung mass of say 88 lbs - my guess based on the 8 (48lb tire/wheel + 1/2 weight of suspension) that's less than 1% increase in unsprung weight.

As you say, unsprung weight is BAD, but on a scale of 1 to 10, this isn't a killer issue.

valpac

iTrader: (2)

Not enough edge distance for bolts of that size. Could cause tear-out. Bad design.

Razz1

Small picture. It looks like the bottom has more room. On the top side the distance from the edge looks too close.

I read an article form some pro's and they recommended the Whileliners for the 350z.

I can tell you right now that a tube is way stronger than any bar.

Now if your talking twisting, i would put my bet on the tube.

Therefore the tube is a better sway bar.

valpac

iTrader: (2)

Generally speaking, rods have far more torsional rigidity than tubes of the same diameter.

step-hen

What if I tell you that the people in Australia has trouble keeping the sway bar in the same place after 100 km.

Someone has to do backyard job and self made clamp to keep it not moving sideways

Start reading from thread # 69
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...2&page=5&pp=15

Spin9k's thread in #97
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...7&postcount=87

Taka

P.S. I am not it is the start or the end of the matter for whiteline. I am happy with my non adjustable MazdaSpeed sway